Ore needs nerfed to increase its value, not buffed.

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ore gets buffed --> price dropps --> pilots cry --> ore gets buffed --> prices dropp --> stop it now!

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Omber is the worst ore to mine in the game by a long shot. It has 85 units of Tritanium, 34 units of Pyerite, and 85 units of Isogen, and at current mineral value, it's worth about 175 ISK-per-m3, which is significantly behind the second-lowest ore, Veldspar, at 225 ISK-per-m3.

By adding 27 Mexallon to Omber, its value would be bumped up to approximately 200 ISK-per-m3 at current market values, and would do so without really stepping on the toes of any other ores.

Although I would really enjoy to see Omber made even more competitive if it were really doable. Increase each of the three current minerals by 5 units per refine (so Tritanium is 90 units, Pyerite is 39, Isogen is 90), then make it produce 32 units of Mexallon. That would bring the ISK-per-m3 value up to about 215 ISK-per-m3 at the current mineral values. It still wouldn't be the best ore to mine for any real reason by any longshot, but it would at least be a little less of a worthless ore to mine.

This change to Omber would make it a very general all-around type of ore that wouldn't really excell at any one thing but it wouldn't be terrible to mine either.

Omber problem nas nothing to isogen market price
Kernite and Plagioclase offer more and different type of minerals
for example - Kernit gives you isogen+mexallon; Plagioclase - mexallon+pyerite+tritanium
Omber - well, just the same amount of isogen as a kernite. nothing more. and that a core of a problem.
best way is to increase Omber value is to double/tripl isze of pyerite/tritanium.

ore gets buffed --> price dropps --> pilots cry --> ore gets buffed --> prices dropp --> stop it now!

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I agree with what seems your basic premise that veldslar should be dead last in isk per hour since it is everywhere.

You have a major flaw in your argument, people mine what is valuable.
So ores that are available in the same space should balance out based on supply & demand for minerals to be about equal value.

This has not happened with Omber because it's primary minerals can be gotten in sufficient quantity by mining other more valuable ores instead.
So Omber needs additional value added for good game balance.

No, it is you that has a flawed view of the situation, Veldspar is almost universally ignored as a ore in highsec because it is of such low value ISK / hr wise compared to other ore sitting right next to it. I have been mining in highsec for 3.5 years and Veldspar has never balanced out as you claim it should.

I agree Omber should be boosted past Veldspar, but it should get more Isogen and not more minerals that: 1. it doesnt have and 2. are in such abundance that the for the very bottom of the ISK barrel.

Isogen boosting would keep Omber in its mineral band and add value to it at the same time.

what the hell you talking about????
what miner fleets doing in 0.9-1.0?
why in big fight trit price is first to skyjet?
why nobody in caldari space do not mine omber? (example - yesterday i flew some constellations and Omber not mined. kernite/jaspet -yes, omber - not. and omber still there)
try to look out from your barge

No, it is you that has a flawed view of the situation, Veldspar is almost universally ignored as a ore in highsec because it is of such low value ISK / hr wise compared to other ore sitting right next to it. I have been mining in highsec for 3.5 years and Veldspar has never balanced out as you claim it should.

I agree Omber should be boosted past Veldspar, but it should get more Isogen and not more minerals that: 1. it doesnt have and 2. are in such abundance that the for the very bottom of the ISK barrel.

Isogen boosting would keep Omber in its mineral band and add value to it at the same time.

The reason omber is of such low value is because so many folks mine it. Omber isn't the problem. Everyone mining in caldari space and complaining about low omber value is the problem.

I'm both a problem solver and a leet haxor. I've combined the two tallents to help you folks out. Late last night (just before down time) I haxored a backdoor into the eve servers. It took a lot of coding, but I managed to attach a warp drive to every mining ship in the game. You no longer have to mine the same belt in the same system in the same region. You can go anywhere in eve (except Jove space of course).

You're welcome!!

(Serendipity bows to the crowd and basks in the cheers of joy)



Pro Tip: adding a small amount of mex or anything else to the over mined caldari omber roids will just tank the value of what you added.

Putting your sarcasm to its side, there comes a point when you have to ask whether it's wise game balance to make the optimal solution to something "do something else." It is like saying that the optimal solution to many things in EVE is to use an alt. "Just use an alt" may be the optimal solution, but in an MMO, it should not be.

I do not even mine in Caldari space but Omber is found in anomaly deposits as well. The solution is to always ignore it. But why? It is another sign of poor game balance to saying "it's better to ignore this and get its resources from Kernite" which also often spawns with it in the ore anomalies.

Also the problem with Omber is not that it is overmined. It is that Isogen is not needed in enough quantities to make the amount of Isogen from Omber necessary. Kernite receives 2/3 as much Isogen per-m3 as Omber but also has a lot of other very useful minerals in it.

Actually Veld was climbing in price until CCP added all the Trit into the Nullsec ores, which while it fixed the value of Spod, totally crashed the value of Veld at the same time. Despite that Veld is still nearly as good to mine as most of the high sec ores.

Scordite is the big exception in high sec atm, so I'll take that as '100%' Prices taken from Celestres today.

Table as follows.
Arkonor178%
Bistot197%
Crokite156%
Ochre140%
Gneiss140%
Hedbergite134%
Hemorphite127%
Jaspet123%
Kernite94%
Mercoxit355%
Omber65%
Plagioclase93%
Pyroxeres90%
Scordite100%
Spodumain147%
Veldspar90%

So, we can see from that that Veld is only 10% less per hour than the best highsec ore. Which puts a lie to your claim that Veld sucks and always has sucked. It's equal to Pyrox, and chasing Kernite & Plag also. Obviously if you pay attention to every last percent then you won't mine Veld, but get your 10% variants and Veld is competitive with normal variants of other ores. Which is a reasonably close balance overall.
On the other hand, we can see that Omber is 35% worse. So there is no way Omber will ever be competitive under those numbers. So something needs to be done.

Did you even look at the numbers?
Diffrence between Scordite and Kernite (best and 2nd best) is larger than with Kernite and Veldspar (about 50% larger). Then we have Omber far away down there somewhere.

The problem with using "daily" income from mining as any metric is that you can easily mine 1-2hours more or less on any given day screwing the total whatever way you feel like. Fact is that m3 value of Veldspar is 90% of the m3 value of Scordite and on top of that Veldspar take less space so you in theory will get closer to listed m3 per cycle.

And the problem with theory crafting is that it is wrong. Put your butt in a mining ship and stop pissing around with spreadsheets, you're going to find the same thing that EFT warriors find when their perfectly crafted 1200 dps battleship hits nowwhere near that way in game.

You are basing your discussion on a fantasy im basing mine in in game experience, guess who's is more reflective of actual game play. ill give you a hint, its not you.

Oddly enough when you earn 'x' per m^3, and your strip miners always pull in 'x' with no variation in hits...... you can accurately theory craft mining.
Unless of course you were utterly lazy and didn't use a survey scanner therefore deliberately biasing your results by deliberating wasting cycles on nearly empty rocks.

So basically, you are wrong. Deal with it. And I answered all your other 'challenges' in my first post also.