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Demerius Xenocratus Rapid Withdrawal 618	Posted - 2015.09.02 04:17:18 - [1] - Quote Hello friends, as the title states I'd just like to read your thoughts on Orthrus fits. Just started flying one recently and I'm trying to figure out the optimal fit. I know this is somewhat situational. I generally fly solo or with a small group in FW lowsec, and I prefer (like most people it seems) to fit rapid light missile launchers as with the Mordus' bonuses they absolutely devastate frigates and destroyers while still having the DPS and range to be nearly as dangerous against larger vessels. Primarily I've been trying to figure out the optimal tanking setup. I lost a buffer fit to a blob (got jammed by a griffin before I could pop incoming tackle) and it seemed to absorb quite a bit of damage while leaving room for a medium neut. However, I have noticed that the LSE + XLASB fit seems extremely popular. I can understand why as a single LSE gives the Orthrus over 6k raw shield and an XLASB provides a massive, capless burst tank that can more than double that number. This option seems to be a fitting nightmare though; most fits of this type that I've seen seem to require at least 2 fitting rigs or mods and makes it very difficult to fit a medium neut for anti-tackle purposes. The other option I've seen that I will be utilizing on my next fit is the cap booster + deadspace large shield booster that has a bit less burst tank than the XLASB variant but leaves more room for fitting and should have better resilience in a long fight. So for your Orthrus fits do you go with pure buffer, LSE+XLASB (or just the XLASB perhaps?), or cap booster + shiny shield booster?
Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 1369	Posted - 2015.09.02 12:42:09 - [2] - Quote you're not supposed to be caught. Large ASB is enough to tank any residual damage you may sustain from stray shots or drones. Fit for speed, warp out if you're being jammed (or even auto targeting missiles in a pinch)
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Belthazor4011 For Your Bacon Only The Marmite Collective 206	Posted - 2015.09.02 15:32:48 - [4] - Quote RLML, Buffer (2x LSE), Cap booster. Med Neut Never lose speed, you'll die buffer or active if you get caught anyways. Speed implants if you can afford them. Burning at 3500 reduces a lot of DPS lol
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1566	Posted - 2015.09.02 18:23:03 - [5] - Quote Demerius Xenocratus wrote: However, I have noticed that the LSE + XLASB fit seems extremely popular. I can understand why as a single LSE gives the Orthrus over 6k raw shield and an XLASB provides a massive, capless burst tank that can more than double that number. This option seems to be a fitting nightmare though; most fits of this type that I've seen seem to require at least 2 fitting rigs or mods and makes it very difficult to fit a medium neut for anti-tackle purposes. it looks like it fits without any fitting mods. Looks like the main difficulty is upgrading to faction points/scram for reduced CPU. Between the defensive scram and RLML I doubt you need a whole lot in the anti-tackle department, and adding a med neut doesn't seem like it would be doing much at that point. [Orthrus, LSE XLASB] Internal Force Field Array I Nanofiber Internal Structure II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Domination Warp Disruptor Caldari Navy Warp Scrambler X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400 Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Acolyte II x5 Mjolnir Fury Light Missile x1400 Nova Fury Light Missile x1500 Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile x600 Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile x1126 Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile x1500 Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile x1500 Nanite Repair Paste x300 @ChainsawPlankto
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1335	Posted - 2015.09.02 18:54:26 - [6] - Quote Check my loss mails for a good fit. I use the crap out of them with few losses. I run a EG-603 power grid hardwire. (I don't know if it's needed for this particular fit or not). Be warned. Once you start using the PG-603 you can't go back..... ever.
Reah Darknorth Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.09.03 15:55:41 - [7] - Quote You should not need to fit a energy neutralizer on this hull because the scram range bonus allows you to scram anyone who gets within 16.2km. If you use a dread guristas scram you can scram people at 18.9km. This is enough of a defensive measure that a well flown Orthrus should not really get caught by anything. As long as you don't sit still your only real threats are massive blobs and well flown Rapiers and such. Actually XLASB is alright.
W0lf Crendraven Welfcorp 339	Posted - 2015.09.04 14:11:52 - [8] - Quote there are mainly 2 fits (with very slight changes per fit if you want) [Orthrus, active mwd+ copy 1 import 2] Internal Force Field Array I Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400 Warp Disruptor II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400 Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile [empty high slot] Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Acolyte II x5 the one for cheap fucks who have no isk and the one for people who have isk [Orthrus, op] Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender Corelum C-Type 50MN Microwarpdrive Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400 Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile [empty high slot] Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II Acolyte II x5 (t2 the cpu rig and drop the poly if you want to use snakes). Bar these 2 (and blingier versions of them) you really shouldnt fly the orthrus imho. basicely the cap is **** on this thing and if you are using it for anything bar land at 50km, heat entire reload into a frigate and then warp off style of pvp you either need a faction mwd for cap or a cap booster, xlasb is very decent tank and you NEED the defensive scram, triple bcu obviously for max dps.
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1342	Posted - 2015.09.04 19:39:42 - [9] - Quote The above fits are both horrible. Check my loss mails for a good fit. I dual box brawl in these things all the time. I lose very few.
Lloyd Roses Artificial Memories 1251	Posted - 2015.09.04 20:03:22 - [10] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: The above fits are both horrible. Check my loss mails for a good fit. I dual box brawl in these things all the time. I lose very few. Damn the irony. Made me jiggle. The reasons to fit a scram are all there.

Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1346	Posted - 2015.09.04 20:07:17 - [11] - Quote Lloyd Roses wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: The above fits are both horrible. Check my loss mails for a good fit. I dual box brawl in these things all the time. I lose very few. Damn the irony. Made me jiggle. The reasons to fit a scram are all there. Is that the defensive scram to get away thing? I keep hearing about it, but I don't understand the thought process behind it.
Lloyd Roses Artificial Memories 1252	Posted - 2015.09.04 20:19:39 - [12] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: Lloyd Roses wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: The above fits are both horrible. Check my loss mails for a good fit. I dual box brawl in these things all the time. I lose very few. Damn the irony. Made me jiggle. The reasons to fit a scram are all there. Is that the defensive scram to get away thing? I keep hearing about it, but I don't understand the thought process behind it. No, it's meant to prevent officer fitted vindicators from MJD'ing away. Durr.
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1346	Posted - 2015.09.04 20:22:59 - [13] - Quote Lloyd Roses wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: Lloyd Roses wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: The above fits are both horrible. Check my loss mails for a good fit. I dual box brawl in these things all the time. I lose very few. Damn the irony. Made me jiggle. The reasons to fit a scram are all there. Is that the defensive scram to get away thing? I keep hearing about it, but I don't understand the thought process behind it. No, it's meant to prevent officer fitted vindicators from MJD'ing away. Durr. Oh, yeah I'd use dual sliepnirs for that. Web, scram, duel neuts, (make your best machine guns sound here).
Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 1376	Posted - 2015.09.04 21:03:54 - [14] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: Lloyd Roses wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: The above fits are both horrible. Check my loss mails for a good fit. I dual box brawl in these things all the time. I lose very few. Damn the irony. Made me jiggle. The reasons to fit a scram are all there. Is that the defensive scram to get away thing? I keep hearing about it, but I don't understand the thought process behind it. You scram something twice as far away as something can scram you, therefore you can't technically get scrammed in return
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar 1005	Posted - 2015.09.04 21:25:52 - [15] - Quote Polarized. Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy. I invented Tiericide
W0lf Crendraven Welfcorp 339	Posted - 2015.09.05 12:45:28 - [16] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: Lloyd Roses wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: The above fits are both horrible. Check my loss mails for a good fit. I dual box brawl in these things all the time. I lose very few. Damn the irony. Made me jiggle. The reasons to fit a scram are all there. Is that the defensive scram to get away thing? I keep hearing about it, but I don't understand the thought process behind it. You burn in a direction, other target is faster then you with either friends or to much dps/ehp for you to kill if you get caught, you heat your scram and spam that on them, you get a scram range bonus, they dont - their mwd shuts off. So you will never get caught by that guy. Its for before you get caught, not after. Its the same thing as a defensive web, just better.
Gary Bell Herp Inc.dot Darwinism. 144	Posted - 2015.09.05 13:07:56 - [17] - Quote [Orthrus, Better Orthrus] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Ancillary Shield Booster Large Ancillary Shield Booster Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor 50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II True Sansha Medium Energy Neutralizer Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Hobgoblin II x5 This is my personal fit that I like.. With crystals it tanks like 500dps per booster and like 1k in tight situations where your trying to break tackle to get away. It doesent have the buffer of the LSE/ XL booster fit but it has the med nuet solid tank, good damage application, and doesent require 200 fitting mods. I cant bring myself to fit active and buffer tank it just doesent make sense to me.
Gary Bell Herp Inc.dot Darwinism. 144	Posted - 2015.09.05 13:09:18 - [18] - Quote PS.. A small Nuet is totally useless
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1351	Posted - 2015.09.05 15:22:42 - [19] - Quote Gary Bell wrote: [Orthrus, Better Orthrus] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Ancillary Shield Booster Large Ancillary Shield Booster Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor 50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II True Sansha Medium Energy Neutralizer Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Hobgoblin II x5 This is my personal fit that I like.. With crystals it tanks like 500dps per booster and like 1k in tight situations where your trying to break tackle to get away. It doesent have the buffer of the LSE/ XL booster fit but it has the med nuet solid tank, good damage application, and doesent require 200 fitting mods. I cant bring myself to fit active and buffer tank it just doesent make sense to me. I dual box them, so the buffer + active has saved my bacon more than once. A note to all you fitting wizards out there. There isn't a right fit for these things or any other ship. How you fly (kite/brawl and so on) has everything to do with right for you. Where and how you use it are also big players in a good fit. OP - there's a ton of good fits out there and a couple of bad ones. Stay away from fits that have zero em resistance on a shield cruiser - there just isn't enough HP to survive lazors/em missiles - you'll get poofed. You need to think about what you want to do with it and tweak things to fit into that mindset. 3 cal nav bcu - you have to look at the cost of that 3rd navy bcu and compare the dps it adds vs the cost and do the same with a t2 (cpu needs get factored in also) - thats a lot of cheddar for a small boost in damage. Your fit should mind both your cheddar and your bacon
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 1351	Posted - 2015.09.05 16:47:34 - [20] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: Lloyd Roses wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: The above fits are both horrible. Check my loss mails for a good fit. I dual box brawl in these things all the time. I lose very few. Damn the irony. Made me jiggle. The reasons to fit a scram are all there. Is that the defensive scram to get away thing? I keep hearing about it, but I don't understand the thought process behind it. You scram something twice as far away as something can scram you, therefore you can't technically get scrammed in return Lol - i get that in a solo world, but in reality??? Say you and your pals bring 14 (or 2 of anything with a scram) phantasms at me - I don't have enough defensive scrams to hold you all off.... and oh snap - you all have ABs. I get the defensive scram concept - I just think it turns to mush when you're in game shooting things that are trying to pop you. In theory 3 kitsunes could jam and kill 5 sleipnirs - not a theory anyone would be willing to test. 9 out of 10 times I lose a ship - I lost it the second I decided to take the fight . A defensive scram or any other fitting won't change most losses.

Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 1381	Posted - 2015.09.05 18:41:11 - [21] - Quote it's not about solo, it's just a tool you use when the situation presents itself. In your hypothetical situation with phantasms, they shouldn't even be able to get near you in the first place.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1602	Posted - 2015.09.05 18:54:15 - [22] - Quote last night on chessur's stream they bumped a prophecy off the gate, the orthrus didn't put a scram on it and it MJD'd away. They did end up catching it after, but it was funny to watch. the power of the scram is real plus they killed an orthrus that didn't have a scram, not sure they would have done that, as it probably would have dunked their ceptors if it did, or maybe had a chance at kiting away. Tried to look for the video but not sure how youtube streaming deals with that. @ChainsawPlankto
W0lf Crendraven Welfcorp 339	Posted - 2015.09.05 21:50:02 - [23] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: Gary Bell wrote: [Orthrus, Better Orthrus] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Ancillary Shield Booster Large Ancillary Shield Booster Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor 50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II True Sansha Medium Energy Neutralizer Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Hobgoblin II x5 This is my personal fit that I like.. With crystals it tanks like 500dps per booster and like 1k in tight situations where your trying to break tackle to get away. It doesent have the buffer of the LSE/ XL booster fit but it has the med nuet solid tank, good damage application, and doesent require 200 fitting mods. I cant bring myself to fit active and buffer tank it just doesent make sense to me. I dual box them, so the buffer + active has saved my bacon more than once. A note to all you fitting wizards out there. There isn't a right fit for these things or any other ship. How you fly (kite/brawl and so on) has everything to do with right for you. Where and how you use it are also big players in a good fit. OP - there's a ton of good fits out there and a couple of bad ones. Stay away from fits that have zero em resistance on a shield cruiser - there just isn't enough HP to survive lazors/em missiles - you'll get poofed. You need to think about what you want to do with it and tweak things to fit into that mindset. 3 cal nav bcu - you have to look at the cost of that 3rd navy bcu and compare the dps it adds vs the cost and do the same with a t2 (cpu needs get factored in also) - thats a lot of cheddar for a small boost in damage. Your fit should mind both your cheddar and your bacon No there is a right way to fit a ship, there also is a right way to fly it. And brawling with rlml orthrus' is by all means the wrong way.
Reah Darknorth Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.09.08 21:40:22 - [24] - Quote If my objective was to die in a horrible fire, then brawling with a RLML Orthrus would certainly be the right way to go about completing that objective, so you're wrong on that one W0lf. There is no right or wrong way to play spaceships.
Lloyd Roses Artificial Memories 1252	Posted - 2015.09.09 10:38:41 - [25] - Quote Reah Darknorth wrote: If my objective was to die in a horrible fire, then brawling with a RLML Orthrus would certainly be the right way to go about completing that objective, so you're wrong on that one W0lf. There is no right or wrong way to play spaceships. Intentionally losing a ship isn't a valid objective.
Demerius Xenocratus Rapid Withdrawal 631	Posted - 2015.09.09 11:07:50 - [26] - Quote Lloyd Roses wrote: Reah Darknorth wrote: If my objective was to die in a horrible fire, then brawling with a RLML Orthrus would certainly be the right way to go about completing that objective, so you're wrong on that one W0lf. There is no right or wrong way to play spaceships. Intentionally losing a ship isn't a valid objective. Tell that to the killright scammers I see in highsec on almost every major hub gate. There's actually a guy doing it in unfit/cheap fit T1 battleships now with the activation fee set just high enough that he makes a profit off the KR + insurance. Marmite has been making him rich; pretty clever.
Switch Savage The Tuskers The Tuskers Co. 181	Posted - 2015.09.09 15:38:52 - [27] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: Lloyd Roses wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: The above fits are both horrible. Check my loss mails for a good fit. I dual box brawl in these things all the time. I lose very few. Damn the irony. Made me jiggle. The reasons to fit a scram are all there. Is that the defensive scram to get away thing? I keep hearing about it, but I don't understand the thought process behind it. The fact you do not understand defensive scram concept and can yet say Wolfs Orthrus fit is horrible (which they are not) tickles me greatly.
Reah Darknorth Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.09.09 17:26:29 - [28] - Quote Lloyd Roses wrote: Reah Darknorth wrote: If my objective was to die in a horrible fire, then brawling with a RLML Orthrus would certainly be the right way to go about completing that objective, so you're wrong on that one W0lf. There is no right or wrong way to play spaceships. Intentionally losing a ship isn't a valid objective. It could be if that is what someone decided to do. There are reasons why a player would want to intentionally lose a ship. As Demerius Xenocratus pointed out, killright scammers are a perfect example. But that is not the point anyway. You, or anybody else, does not have the right to decide what is and what isn't a valid objective in this game.
W0lf Crendraven Welfcorp 342	Posted - 2015.09.09 22:35:10 - [29] - Quote Reah Darknorth wrote: Lloyd Roses wrote: Reah Darknorth wrote: If my objective was to die in a horrible fire, then brawling with a RLML Orthrus would certainly be the right way to go about completing that objective, so you're wrong on that one W0lf. There is no right or wrong way to play spaceships. Intentionally losing a ship isn't a valid objective. It could be if that is what someone decided to do. There are reasons why a player would want to intentionally lose a ship. As Demerius Xenocratus pointed out, killright scammers are a perfect example. But that is not the point anyway. You, or anybody else, does not have the right to decide what is and what isn't a valid objective in this game. Not in general, but if your objective is to pvp and not die, which is universally true for almost any pvp fits or threads asking about ships, ways to fy, and fits for pvp that arent starting with "suicide" - then something can be the right or the wrong way. A ship can be correct for a purpose and fit in the right way, or it can be wrong. You can make a cyno orthrus - it flat out is the wrong ship for it. You can also make a brawling orthrus (with hams) - which is a slightly wrong way to use the ships as other versions are stronger but it is the correct fit for a wrong usage, if however you make a brawling rlml fit you flat out misuse the ships and are doing the wrong thing, you are havign the wrong fit for the wrong usage.


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