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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2006.12.14 04:08:00 -
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... are going to be much easier to acquire, which ones will you be using and how? Personnaly, I look forward to using powergrid and capacitor rigs on my Tachaddon.
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Aeaus
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.14 04:20:00 -
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And other races looks forward to using damage rigs =)
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2006.12.14 04:24:00 -
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Considering the fact that damage rigs stack and add to the PG need of the guns, I think I'll stick to Heat Sinks, thanks. The only turret upgrades that I see as worthwhile are the ones that reduce cap need (for lasers/hybrids) and the ones that augment falloff (ACs and Blasters).
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.12.14 05:03:00 -
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The optimal ones are 20% right? If so, those will get some hefty use.
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Xori Ruscuv
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.14 07:12:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 14/12/2006 07:15:39
 Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
... are going to be much easier to acquire, which ones will you be using and how? Personnaly, I look forward to using powergrid and capacitor rigs on my Tachaddon.
I figure people will go rig-crazy for a month before realizing that paying 10-20m per mod on a ship you could lose tomorrow in a battle is prohibitive.
This also screws new players who are breaking into PVP, and even older players who are stretched for cash because of extensive wars.
I just don't see rigs coming into mainstream PVP until they are costing around 1m apiece.
REALLY gonna suck to use things this expensive on the most fun ships in the game, anyway... (frigs, cruisers, battlecruisers...)
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.12.14 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv
Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 14/12/2006 07:34:26
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
... are going to be much easier to acquire, which ones will you be using and how? Personnaly, I look forward to using powergrid and capacitor rigs on my Tachaddon.
I figure people will go rig-crazy for a month before realizing that paying 10-20m per mod on a ship you could lose tomorrow in a battle is prohibitive.
This also screws new players who are breaking into PVP, and even older players who are stretched for cash because of extensive wars.
I just don't see rigs coming into mainstream PVP until they are costing around 1m apiece.
REALLY gonna suck to use things this expensive on the most fun ships in the game, anyway... (frigs, cruisers, battlecruisers... and lets admit it guys, we really want to use those falloff rigs on our stabbers/vagas!)
Anyway, I'm guessing we'll be seeing a lot of damage/optimal/falloff rig + powergrid rig... and tanking rigs.
EDIT: Is this a stealth nerf to cheap T1 ships (cruisers/BCs)? If BSes/HACs/CCs are the only things worth fitting these on... then these smaller ships become obsolete in combat?  Or perhaps it is a stealth buff to mission spamming carebears... as they're the only ones who will be able to afford these things... and ther ships become natural pwnmobiles. 
20m is the cost of a 425mm tech II rail, it does add to the cost of a ship, but hey, a nicely fitted out ship ca easily cost as much as the ship itself w/o rigs. I can easily spend 20x the cost of a dessy fitting it out.
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Xori Ruscuv
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.14 07:57:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 14/12/2006 07:58:17
Originally by: Audri Fisher
20m is the cost of a 425mm tech II rail, it does add to the cost of a ship, but hey, a nicely fitted out ship ca easily cost as much as the ship itself w/o rigs. I can easily spend 20x the cost of a dessy fitting it out.
Yeah... spending that much might be viable on a BS that is otherwise T2 fit.
Nonetheless, I'm really talking about cheaper ships. OK, so you can spend 20m on a destroyer. That's fine, but I think it is going to seriously discourage people from getting into PVP, because being "average" will soon be prohibitively expensive.
Maybe I'm complaining about myself here: I HATE the intensive carebear grind required just to PVP a little bit. I don't know if people have Caldari alts AFKing level 4s nonstop or what... but I don't know at this point how people manage to lose 200m fit ships in PVP without going crazy!
I think that there are elite vets like yourself that will always afford the cutting edge. Folks like us... well, I'll just wait in hopes that they cut down in the components needed to build rigs. 
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trasportbetty
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Posted - 2006.12.14 08:02:00 -
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Resistance Pumps and nano repair boosters look to have the best benefit vs drawback. I'll take 10% speed loss for 30%(think its 30 I'm at work and cant check) resistance bonus or a boost in repper speed/amount.
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Mickey Mouse
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.14 08:11:00 -
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Originally by: Xori RuscuvI figure people will go rig-crazy for a month before realizing that paying 10-20m per mod on a ship you could lose tomorrow in a battle is prohibitive.
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i got a ishtar with fiting worth 1,2bill isk for some people isk is not an issue when it can make the ship insanely uber
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Xori Ruscuv
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.14 08:12:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 14/12/2006 08:13:32
Originally by: Mickey Mouse
i got a ishtar with fiting worth 1,2bill isk for some people isk is not an issue when it can make the ship insanely uber
Good for them.
The handfull of people out there like you are obviously NOT what I'm talking about here. Spare me the veteran "isk is no issue to me so screw others who want to get into the game" e-peening.
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Jin Freaks
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Posted - 2006.12.14 08:19:00 -
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drone rigs !
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Exogene
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Posted - 2006.12.14 08:20:00 -
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Damage rigs won't be good for sniper setups (perhaps not too bad for rails) but they are going to be real good for close range turrets, since the fitting req. aren't as ueber as long range turrets. Can't wait to lay my hands on some.
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James Pond
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Posted - 2006.12.14 08:21:00 -
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theres nothing to stop people from building there own rigs from salvaging ships that they have killed while rating, no one is forcing anyone to buy the rigs. sure it might take a while to gather enough components for one rig but once they have built it, the only thing it has cost them is a little extra time to salvage the materials.
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Xori Ruscuv
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.14 08:23:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 14/12/2006 08:25:03
Originally by: James Pond
theres nothing to stop people from building there own rigs from salvaging ships that they have killed while rating, no one is forcing anyone to buy the rigs. sure it might take a while to gather enough components for one rig but once they have built it, the only thing it has cost them is a little extra time to salvage the materials.
Yes, assuming that rig components are plentiful enough.
However, this arrives at the same problem: to do this, everyone is going to have an alt carebear and/or industrialist. LOOK MA, I WON THE METAGAME! I have TWO ACCOUNTS!
Either that or we are still left with the "insane carebear time" associated with the "little bit of pvp".
EDIT: Note - yes, I have two accounts. However, the PURPOSE of my second account is to make money because my main account SUCKS at it. I think that it sucks that I should have to have a second account JUST for farming for money for PVP on my main. My second account isn't even ready yet - not nearly skilled enough for AFKing level 4s in a Raven.
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
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Majutsu
Caldari
S.Y.N.D
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Posted - 2006.12.14 08:25:00 -
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Drake
Caldari Gunboat Pilot
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Nicocat
Caldari
New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.12.14 08:27:00 -
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I'm going to spend some time to analyze the stacking penalty of the projectile rigs with triple gyrostabs. My Tempest needs love ;)
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DiuxDium
The Graduates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.14 08:32:00 -
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Edited by: DiuxDium on 14/12/2006 08:32:56
Originally by: Xori Ruscuv
Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 14/12/2006 08:25:03
Originally by: James Pond
theres nothing to stop people from building there own rigs from salvaging ships that they have killed while rating, no one is forcing anyone to buy the rigs. sure it might take a while to gather enough components for one rig but once they have built it, the only thing it has cost them is a little extra time to salvage the materials.
Yes, assuming that rig components are plentiful enough.
However, this arrives at the same problem: to do this, everyone is going to have an alt carebear and/or industrialist. LOOK MA, I WON THE METAGAME! I have TWO ACCOUNTS!
Either that or we are still left with the "insane carebear time" associated with the "little bit of pvp".
EDIT: Note - yes, I have two accounts. However, the PURPOSE of my second account is to make money because my main account SUCKS at it. I think that it sucks that I should have to have a second account JUST for farming for money for PVP on my main. My second account isn't even ready yet - not nearly skilled enough for AFKing level 4s in a Raven.
You didn't get a 10m sp Caldari alt when you signed up? By god! Poor man. And here we are calling this caldari online. Quick, to the Batmobile, before someone calls us a hypocrite.
p.s Caldari Rock at PvP.
Edit: Best of luck AFK'ing those L4's in your raven.
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Xori Ruscuv
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.14 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: DiuxDium
You didn't get a 10m sp Caldari alt when you signed up? By god! Poor man. And here we are calling this caldari online. Quick, to the Batmobile, before someone calls us a hypocrite.
p.s Caldari Rock at PvP.
Edit: Best of luck AFK'ing those L4's in your raven.
Getting pretty desperate, aren't you?
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
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Xori Ruscuv
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.14 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Nicocat
I'm going to spend some time to analyze the stacking penalty of the projectile rigs with triple gyrostabs. My Tempest needs love ;)
Like anyone else, I can't wait to see what stuff like that can do.
OTOH I hear a lot of folks who seem to think that rigs will solve balance issues. Pfft.
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
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DiuxDium
The Graduates
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Posted - 2006.12.14 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv
Originally by: DiuxDium
You didn't get a 10m sp Caldari alt when you signed up? By god! Poor man. And here we are calling this caldari online. Quick, to the Batmobile, before someone calls us a hypocrite.
p.s Caldari Rock at PvP.
Edit: Best of luck AFK'ing those L4's in your raven.
Getting pretty desperate, aren't you?
Desperate? You claim an ability to run an XL booster 23/7 - Which is the only way you can "AFK a L4". Either you haven't ran a L4 in a very long time, or you've got a bit mad. The new L4's rip through my 16.5k\500s recharge and 84% resists to primary damages in about 20-40 seconds. Your constant insinuation that Caldari are the be-all-end-all of Eve is beyond ridiculous. I'm just poking fun at your tinfoil hattery. Well, you and the "LOL CALDARI WINZ EVE" crew.
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Xori Ruscuv
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.14 08:45:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 14/12/2006 08:49:20
Originally by: DiuxDium
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Wow, ok...
Back to the topic, I guess...
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
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Waut
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.12.14 08:58:00 -
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If only there was an extra midslot rig for my Retribution and
In Soviet EVE, roids pop YOU
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Xori Ruscuv
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.14 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Waut
If only there was an extra midslot rig for my Retribution and
indeed
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
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Guybrush Treepwood
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Posted - 2006.12.14 09:09:00 -
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Would drone rigs also work for fighters? If so I could forsee carrier pilots going for them
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.14 11:22:00 -
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What exactly is your problem with rigs if 99% of the PvPers also won't use them? You want to be one of the 1% that do use them without putting in the effort that these people do?
It is not like they will be in any way mandatory. Just like T2 and high skillpoints, those things being mandatory for PvP is just a myth.
What matters much more than equipment is numbers and and skill (real skill, not SP). Even if rigs stay somewhat expensive (which I doubt will last very long) it will not unbalance PvP at all imho.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2006.12.14 12:01:00 -
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a pack of 4 Cruisers can kill a HAC pretty easily for a much lower cost. That is how you learn PVP without expending much and making a lot of money
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