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Silky Cyno
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.09.04 01:39:40 -
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It seems to me when you decline a mission you get put on a short list of crappy missions, after you do one of them you go back on the normal list.
Now with Burner missions added into the game you take no faction hit from declining the mission but I still think it puts you on the crappy mission short list.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2015.09.04 02:04:23 -
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when I decline bad missions I get burner missions, which are the good ones.
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
357
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Posted - 2015.09.04 02:09:25 -
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They're random, however I usually get 2-3 burners in a row. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51825
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Posted - 2015.09.04 06:07:44 -
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It all depends on your standing with the Agent.
With high standing, Agents will offer more rewarding missions that are nearer to their location - thus more ISK, less jumps.
In my opinion that mission pool is based on missions previously accepted and completed.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
358
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Posted - 2015.09.04 08:54:42 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:It all depends on your standing with the Agent.
With high standing, Agents will offer more rewarding missions that are nearer to their location - thus more ISK, less jumps.
In my opinion that mission pool is based on missions previously accepted and completed.
DMC I don't have any empyrical data but with blitzing you go through a very large amount of mission offers very quickly and your agent standing tends to fluctuate. Also I used to do a lot of missions without ever declining missions and having high standing. I do not think agent standing affects mission offers. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51834
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Posted - 2015.09.04 17:47:19 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:It all depends on your standing with the Agent.
With high standing, Agents will offer more rewarding missions that are nearer to their location - thus more ISK, less jumps.
In my opinion that mission pool is based on missions previously accepted and completed.
DMC I don't have any empyrical data but with blitzing you go through a very large amount of mission offers very quickly and your agent standing tends to fluctuate. Also I used to do a lot of missions without ever declining missions and having high standing. I do not think agent standing affects mission offers. Whenever I first start out with a new security agent, I get offered both Anti-Pirate and Anti-Empire encounter missions. Since I don't want to incur negative Faction standings, I always decline the Anti-Empire encounter missions. After my standing raises with the agent, I no longer get offered Anti-Empire missions. The Anti-Pirate encounter missions being offered are the larger more rewarding ones such as Blockade, Extravaganza, Pirate Invasion, Angel / Guristas Strike, Gone Berserk, etc. Also the mission locations are usually within the Agent's system, at the most 1 jump away.
I don't have any empyrical data either. My opinion is based from my experience running missions and viewing my standings / transaction logs. That's why I said as Agent standing raises, they will offer more rewarding missions that are nearer to their location and their mission pool is based on missions previously accepted and completed.
I have very high standings with all Empire Factions. The only negative Faction standings I have are with Pirate Factions. Maybe that's a contributing factor.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Arec Bardwin
1848
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Posted - 2015.09.04 22:01:46 -
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I get crappy missions and anti empire faction mission a lot, even with very high faction and corp standing. Maybe my agent just hates me |
Silky Cyno
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2015.09.05 00:16:24 -
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I like to do Mining Misappropriation, Recon, Blockade, Damsel, Angels ex, Dread Pirate Scarlet, Gone Berserk, a few more but I hate The Anomaly, Duo of Death and ones that take too much time for little LP and Isk.
One time I declined a mission and the next mission was 6 jumps away in Low sec, I could just say I have bad luck, I run 2 accounts both with the same agent and it seems to happen to both of them.
My theory still stands |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51838
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Posted - 2015.09.05 00:39:57 -
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Arec Bardwin wrote:I get crappy missions and anti empire faction mission a lot, even with very high faction and corp standing. Maybe my agent just hates me And are all your Empire Faction standings positive or are some of them negative?
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
374
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Posted - 2015.09.05 04:18:55 -
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My agent standings fluctuate wildly from -1.0 to all the way up to 4.0
I can not say that I've noticed any patterns at all. Even have a list of 80 missions accepted/decline with agent standings after each mission. It's not enough data to be called empirical but theres no pattern. I get blockade at high and at negative standings as well as angel, bezerk, assault, Damsel, mordus, recon etc.
Without data any patterns you see is purely subjective and suffers from selective memory and confirmation bias (and various other buzzwords).
Also theres maybe around 35 missions that can be offered NOT including burners. You'd need a very large sample size with agent standings, faction standings and corp standings before and after each mission to make any kind of statement regarding there being a specific pattern. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51839
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Posted - 2015.09.05 04:56:18 -
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Hogwash and a bunch of other words that relate the same sentiment.
With 7+ years of mission running experience and 5+ years of constantly increasing positive standing with Agents, Corporations and Factions, I will continue to stand by my statement despite what nay-sayer's claim.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
480
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Posted - 2015.09.05 05:07:16 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:I don't have any empyrical data either. My opinion is based from my experience running missions and viewing my standings / transaction logs. That's why I said with high Agent standing, Agents will offer more rewarding missions that are nearer to their location and their mission pool is based on missions previously accepted and completed.
I have very high standings with all Empire Factions. The only negative Faction standings I have are with Pirate Factions. Maybe that's a contributing factor.
DMC Essentially this has been my experience as well. I spend a lot of time running missions with new / newer players using the same agent. The ones they draw tend to be the less desirable missions while mine tend to be the more desirable variety. I have no evidence other than many years of experience having this happen repeatedly over time and many different agenst and NPC I have often wondered if there was not some form of bias going on based on standings. On a related note I have noticed that when I rely on my faction standing to gain access to agents instead of agent standings the missions tend to be of the lower quality at first and then improve as my agent standings improve.
I guess all of this could be the twisting winds of fate and the random number generation but I am not convinced of that. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1596
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Posted - 2015.09.05 06:25:56 -
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I'm not sure if I want to agree or disagree, given I've been riding on high faction standings for a long time.
that said the idea of a good mission is subjective. Some of the "good" missions mentioned earlier are ones I always decline. And the number of jumps to a mission seems to be more influenced by constellation layout, and system traffic. And some missions are only ever offered in system.
I do get offered faction missions pretty often, but I did run them for a long time, these days I mostly decline because looting is annoying. maybe I should go back to running them and just dropping a mtu? Although running SoE missions I get faction missions vs caldar/amarr to whom I have good standings.
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Tohkat Sinawi
Black Sword Is Back
0
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Posted - 2015.09.05 13:43:30 -
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First off, the location of the mission that you are given has FAR more to do with the location of the agent within their constellation than anything else. If you mission in a dead-end system, you're on the edge of a constellation and you'll almost always have to make at least one jump, sometimes 2, sometimes 3. If that 3rd jump is a low-sec system... that's the way it goes. On the other hand, if you're in the middle of the constellation with more than just 1 adjoining system, then usually it's zero, 1, or at most 2 jumps.
As far as good vs. bad missions... I think that's completely relative to one's perception. When standings are low you can only pull low level missions. As you blaze through them you see precisely the quantity of good vs. less good missions. What are the 'good' missions? The ones with high LP and high bounties of course (i.e. battleships). ...you can't get those until you have high standings and are able to pull L4s.
That said... in my experience, the part of space that you are in and the corporation of the agent seem to have an effect on what missions you receive. While I'm still missioning in Amarr space, I'm now working for a Caldari corp... when I was working for an Amarrian corp a few months back I used to get Mining Misappropriation allll the time (love that mission - such excellent bounties!), but since I've changed corps and moved 8 jumps away, I haven't received it once. I'm also receiving less Sansha and more Blood Raider missions (also annoying!).
So... good mission vs. bad mission: depends on your corp and your location, not on your standings or the faction that you're running missions for. I used to get much better missions, with the same standings, with the other corp (that has a terrible LP store!!!) than I do now. |
Arthur Aihaken
Chig
4623
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Posted - 2015.09.05 16:19:47 -
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When I decline Burner missions - I get 3 more Burner missions...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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David Therman
University of Caille Gallente Federation
93
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Posted - 2015.09.06 11:06:54 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:When I decline Burner missions - I get 3 more Burner missions...
My current record of consecutive burner missions offered stands at 16... my resolve was sorely tested that day.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
544
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Posted - 2015.09.06 16:28:59 -
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David Therman wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:When I decline Burner missions - I get 3 more Burner missions... My current record of consecutive burner missions offered stands at 16... my resolve was sorely tested that day.
That just made me Hard.
No seriously, easiest, fastest mission isk in the game, 16 straight burner missions in a row and a storyline as icing :D
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1606
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Posted - 2015.09.06 19:56:31 -
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I think 16 is my record of consecutive burner missions completed. Dread Pirate Scarlett must have had the day off or something.
I'm really kidding, I'd never actually keep that stat, but if someone wants to go through my mission logs?
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
373
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Posted - 2015.09.07 12:43:26 -
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Well considering with the right skills you can skip any and all missions that you don't want to do be it because of distance, non-blitzing characteristics or don't have the right ship/fit(burner) it's mostly irrelevant. Where I mission 90% of the missions I do run are all either in system or at most 1 jump away. The only mission I do regularly that is more than 1 jump away is Scarlet and the burner missions.
Say you do want to run most of the high bounty/high paying missions like blockade or angel extrav, etc. since you're running most/a lot of missions anyway without declining many you'll naturally raise in corp/faction/agent standing.
That said I tend to get a lot o team burners (that I can't run yet) and the other burners seems to have dried up :/ Might just be RNG being RNG. |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
546
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Posted - 2015.09.07 12:45:55 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Well considering with the right skills you can skip any and all missions that you don't want to do be it because of distance, non-blitzing characteristics or don't have the right ship/fit(burner) it's mostly irrelevant. Where I mission 90% of the missions I do run are all either in system or at most 1 jump away. The only mission I do regularly that is more than 1 jump away is Scarlet and the burner missions.
Say you do want to run most of the high bounty/high paying missions like blockade or angel extrav, etc. since you're running most/a lot of missions anyway without declining many you'll naturally raise in corp/faction/agent standing.
That said I tend to get a lot o team burners (that I can't run yet) and the other burners seems to have dried up :/ Might just be RNG being RNG.
If you were a real mission runner you would be using 5461321587 alt accounts to pull your missions for you and couldn't care less what missions you decline
Just kidding. Get your faction standings over 5.0 and then who cares how many you decline, just stay over -2 agent wise.
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
373
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Posted - 2015.09.07 13:21:08 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Well considering with the right skills you can skip any and all missions that you don't want to do be it because of distance, non-blitzing characteristics or don't have the right ship/fit(burner) it's mostly irrelevant. Where I mission 90% of the missions I do run are all either in system or at most 1 jump away. The only mission I do regularly that is more than 1 jump away is Scarlet and the burner missions.
Say you do want to run most of the high bounty/high paying missions like blockade or angel extrav, etc. since you're running most/a lot of missions anyway without declining many you'll naturally raise in corp/faction/agent standing.
That said I tend to get a lot o team burners (that I can't run yet) and the other burners seems to have dried up :/ Might just be RNG being RNG. If you were a real mission runner you would be using 5461321587 alt accounts to pull your missions for you and couldn't care less what missions you decline Just kidding. Get your faction standings over 5.0 and then who cares how many you decline, just stay over -2 agent wise. Pretty much, don't need a pulling alt although I do have one just in case.
Now again, I don't have a lot of data but as soon as I hit what looks to be my Faction standings 'cap' (7.5 ish unmodified) I've only been getting Materials for war storyline. It's enough to keep me at 7.5 for the last 2 weeks (hence the quotes around 'cap') and is just 1 jump I can do in an inty for a nice 17mill. I do just under half the missions in the mission pool from the agent I'm at so slightly larger than some blitzers but it keeps me at over -2 agent without any additional upkeep or pullers. |
Anthar Thebess
1292
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Posted - 2015.09.08 10:12:56 -
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CCP devs read this and laugh
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
373
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Posted - 2015.09.08 10:52:20 -
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*shrug* at the end of the day it doesn't matter. Yes there could be a small little modifier based on whatever standings in the quality of missions given or theres not because it makes absolutely no change, at least to me. The effect isn't big enough to be noticed or even to effect the way I have ever run missions and thus it is irrelevant if it exists or not. Not a great mechanic if it has no real effect, isn't known about nor effects anyone's play. Equates to wasted dev time if it does exist. |
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