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Renfus Vaults of Valhalla 6	Posted - 2015.09.06 16:33:47 - [1] - Quote We have jump freighters which are cool and come in handy.. And I have one but something smaller non cap would be cool for small supply runs... It would function just like a jump freighter but hauler sized.. T3 Haulers???
Baali Tekitsu AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 864	Posted - 2015.09.06 17:04:19 - [2] - Quote Not a bad idea, actually. RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE
Bobb Bobbington The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 38	Posted - 2015.09.06 17:09:31 - [3] - Quote I could see CCP making a jump hauler with ~20,000 m3 that costs like 200million isk, that way you can move stuff yourself without having to wait for a supply run or without dropping 7 billion isk for a ship you'll only occasionally use. That seems like it'd be pretty helpful for getting people into nullsec, although I don't know how easy or hard moving should be for game balance.
Renfus Vaults of Valhalla 7	Posted - 2015.09.06 17:29:12 - [4] - Quote Bobb Bobbington wrote: I could see CCP making a jump hauler with ~20,000 m3 that costs like 200million isk, that way you can move stuff yourself without having to wait for a supply run or without dropping 7 billion isk for a ship you'll only occasionally use. That seems like it'd be pretty helpful for getting people into nullsec, although I don't know how easy or hard moving should be for game balance. My thoughts exactly.. And even if it cost 500-600mil, It would be worth it.. It would greatly improve logistics .. Build costs would probably be about the same as a hac..
Bobb Bobbington The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 38	Posted - 2015.09.06 17:38:37 - [5] - Quote The only problems I really see with it, is that, at a game level standpoint, CCP may not want nullsec to be any more easily accessible. It's supposed to be hard to get and survive in, but give lots of rewards, even though its not really profitable in practice. I suppose that's up to CCP to decide, but as long as it can only haul a small amount, to keep it from being abused, I could see it having a useful and balanced place in eve.
Renfus Vaults of Valhalla 7	Posted - 2015.09.06 17:44:06 - [6] - Quote I don't see how it could be abused.. I don't see how it could increase the population in 0.0 but if it did isn't that what everyone's been wanting??? With a 20k cargo hold you're not hauling much.. And it would take more fuel trying to move a large amount making multiple runs then it would to have a jf make the run once...
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2185	Posted - 2015.09.06 18:45:42 - [7] - Quote Renfus wrote: Bobb Bobbington wrote: I could see CCP making a jump hauler with ~20,000 m3 that costs like 200million isk, that way you can move stuff yourself without having to wait for a supply run or without dropping 7 billion isk for a ship you'll only occasionally use. That seems like it'd be pretty helpful for getting people into nullsec, although I don't know how easy or hard moving should be for game balance. My thoughts exactly.. And even if it cost 500-600mil, It would be worth it.. It would greatly improve logistics .. Build costs would probably be about the same as a hac.. How could it cost 500-600 mill if you put the build cost around HAC level?
Renfus Vaults of Valhalla 7	Posted - 2015.09.06 18:58:55 - [8] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Renfus wrote: Bobb Bobbington wrote: I could see CCP making a jump hauler with ~20,000 m3 that costs like 200million isk, that way you can move stuff yourself without having to wait for a supply run or without dropping 7 billion isk for a ship you'll only occasionally use. That seems like it'd be pretty helpful for getting people into nullsec, although I don't know how easy or hard moving should be for game balance. My thoughts exactly.. And even if it cost 500-600mil, It would be worth it.. It would greatly improve logistics .. Build costs would probably be about the same as a hac.. How could it cost 500-600 mill if you put the build cost around HAC level? Greedy bastards... that's how... lol
Danika Princip GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3782	Posted - 2015.09.06 19:11:53 - [9] - Quote Yes, please let us go back to being able to jump the length of the galaxy in ~30 minutes.
Bobb Bobbington The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 38	Posted - 2015.09.06 19:18:26 - [10] - Quote Danika Princip wrote: Yes, please let us go back to being able to jump the length of the galaxy in ~30 minutes. How would this change anything? It'd be a small enough bay to only use for small stuff, and can only jump as far and often as normal.
Renfus Vaults of Valhalla 7	Posted - 2015.09.06 20:44:12 - [11] - Quote Danika Princip wrote: Yes, please let us go back to being able to jump the length of the galaxy in ~30 minutes. Yeah because a small hauler able to jump like a JF is game breaking... it's nothing that's not already available in game, all i'd like to do is downsize a bit... hell blackops can do it... if anything is OP or game breaking that is... Personally i think it's a pretty good idea to be honest... meh.. can't please everyone...
Danika Princip GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3786	Posted - 2015.09.06 21:41:46 - [12] - Quote Renfus wrote: Danika Princip wrote: Yes, please let us go back to being able to jump the length of the galaxy in ~30 minutes. Yeah because a small hauler able to jump like a JF is game breaking... it's nothing that's not already available in game, all i'd like to do is downsize a bit... hell blackops can do it... if anything is OP or game breaking that is... Personally i think it's a pretty good idea to be honest... meh.. can't please everyone... It's not jumping to the hauler that matters, it's getting me there to fly my real ships...
Corraidhin Farsaidh Farsaidh's Freeborn 1655	Posted - 2015.09.06 21:56:34 - [13] - Quote Danika Princip wrote: Renfus wrote: Danika Princip wrote: Yes, please let us go back to being able to jump the length of the galaxy in ~30 minutes. Yeah because a small hauler able to jump like a JF is game breaking... it's nothing that's not already available in game, all i'd like to do is downsize a bit... hell blackops can do it... if anything is OP or game breaking that is... Personally i think it's a pretty good idea to be honest... meh.. can't please everyone... It's not jumping to the hauler that matters, it's getting me there to fly my real ships... effectively a jump shuttle...
Tiddle Jr Galvanized Inc. 467	Posted - 2015.09.06 22:13:43 - [14] - Quote I'm sure OP forgot to mention that T3 hauler should have ability to use jump portal field grnerator.
Renfus Vaults of Valhalla 7	Posted - 2015.09.06 22:34:38 - [15] - Quote Tiddle Jr wrote: I'm sure OP forgot to mention that T3 hauler should have ability to use jump portal field grnerator. maybe add that option but I would not to tie it in with Blackops crap that would defeat the purpose... It just needs the ability to function like Jump freighters.
Renfus Vaults of Valhalla 7	Posted - 2015.09.06 22:37:20 - [16] - Quote Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: Danika Princip wrote: Renfus wrote: Danika Princip wrote: Yes, please let us go back to being able to jump the length of the galaxy in ~30 minutes. Yeah because a small hauler able to jump like a JF is game breaking... it's nothing that's not already available in game, all i'd like to do is downsize a bit... hell blackops can do it... if anything is OP or game breaking that is... Personally i think it's a pretty good idea to be honest... meh.. can't please everyone... It's not jumping to the hauler that matters, it's getting me there to fly my real ships... effectively a jump shuttle... no its the hauler which is the point.. a freighter isn't needed for all supply runs..
Baali Tekitsu AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 865	Posted - 2015.09.07 00:28:22 - [17] - Quote Yall projection creep guys need to chill, black ops is by far the best ship to cyno around in due to its superior range combined with fatigue reduction. This ship would inherit the standard 5 ly jump range of the jump freighter. Considering this is a good idea I would take it to reddit since it will get more attention from both devs and players there. RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE
Rawketsled Generic Corp Name 273	Posted - 2015.09.07 02:30:37 - [18] - Quote Sounds like a huge buff to Black Legion's HAC-in-a-box doctrine.
Aeon Veritas Easily.Offended The Bastion 20	Posted - 2015.09.07 07:05:17 - [19] - Quote Did you realize that cloaky haulers fit quite nicely your requirements? May except for the own jump drive and a little less cargo... And since you want to haul something into null I'm considering you're part of an comunity. So what about you may ask some of your fellows to bridge you around with their shiny black ops? More versatility for Command Ships General module tiericide thoughts
Samillian Angry Mustellid The Periphery 956	Posted - 2015.09.07 07:24:24 - [20] - Quote Seems to me that obsoleting Blockade Runners and replacing them with a even more difficult to catch ship with a higher cargo capacity is pandering to risk aversion and a real step backwards. Not supported. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1458	Posted - 2015.09.07 09:57:18 - [21] - Quote its too easy with 90% reduction in jump fatigue and a pretty easy train you are just making what was mentioned a jump shuttle, for this you have a viator or another blockade runner EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Renfus Vaults of Valhalla 7	Posted - 2015.09.07 11:22:39 - [22] - Quote Samillian wrote: Seems to me that obsoleting Blockade Runners and replacing them with a even more difficult to catch ship with a higher cargo capacity is pandering to risk aversion and a real step backwards. Not supported. How is it a step backwards? We have jump freighters... It's not obsoleting blockade runners at all... which are great for low sec runs and WH operations.. But for deep 0.0 runs I use my JF.. I just think it would be nice to have a hauler that can make that trip.. like I said freighters are not always needed.. Yeah we can setup a jb network, that's always an option.. What I can see happening though is, it would make setting up in deep null sec easier.. Jump in with a pos in the jump hauler, set it up, then jump out and come back in the jf once pos defences are up with everything else.. Oh well to each there own, but I think it would be a great addition..
Renfus Vaults of Valhalla 7	Posted - 2015.09.07 11:29:05 - [23] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: its too easy with 90% reduction in jump fatigue and a pretty easy train you are just making what was mentioned a jump shuttle, for this you have a viator or another blockade runner I can use my jump freighter or carrier as a jump shuttle.. Or a could use a jump bridge network... So how game breaking is a hauler??? It's not.... Like I said freighters are not needed for small supply runs and I think a hauler that could function like a jf would be a great addition..
Lan Wang V I R I I Ineluctable. 1458	Posted - 2015.09.07 11:38:06 - [24] - Quote Renfus wrote: Lan Wang wrote: its too easy with 90% reduction in jump fatigue and a pretty easy train you are just making what was mentioned a jump shuttle, for this you have a viator or another blockade runner I can use my jump freighter or carrier as a jump shuttle.. Or a could use a jump bridge network... So how game breaking is a hauler??? It's not.... Like I said freighters are not needed for small supply runs and I think a hauler that could function like a jf would be a great addition.. jump freighters cost 8bil and are a specialist capital ship with a long train, carriers dont have a 90% reduction in jump fatigue so its not a very good jump shuttle, you can use a jump bridge network with a blockade runner, whats wrong with a blockade runner again? EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Tabyll Altol Breaking.Bad Circle-Of-Two 116	Posted - 2015.09.07 11:52:25 - [25] - Quote Renfus wrote: We have jump freighters which are cool and come in handy.. And I have one but something smaller non cap would be cool for small supply runs... It would function just like a jump freighter but hauler sized.. T3 Haulers??? No. Use the search funktion why ! -1
Lugh Crow-Slave 1211	Posted - 2015.09.07 13:45:04 - [26] - Quote Bobb Bobbington wrote: I could see CCP making a jump hauler with ~20,000 m3 that costs like 200million isk, that way you can move stuff yourself without having to wait for a supply run or without dropping 7 billion isk for a ship you'll only occasionally use. That seems like it'd be pretty helpful for getting people into nullsec, although I don't know how easy or hard moving should be for game balance. SO remove half the utility of a BR Fuel block colors? Missiles for Caldari T3? Corp Stasis
Renfus Vaults of Valhalla 9	Posted - 2015.09.07 13:53:13 - [27] - Quote Meh.. Haters gonna hate no matter what it is.. I still think it's a good idea..
Lugh Crow-Slave 1211	Posted - 2015.09.07 13:57:36 - [28] - Quote Renfus wrote: Meh.. Haters gonna hate no matter what it is.. I still think it's a good idea.. but its not so much hate CCP and many players want null groups to be more reliant on their own space and less on HS making it easier to get things from HS goes against this with that said we are never going to see this happen until meta mods can be built Fuel block colors? Missiles for Caldari T3? Corp Stasis
Renfus Vaults of Valhalla 9	Posted - 2015.09.07 15:14:16 - [29] - Quote Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: Renfus wrote: Meh.. Haters gonna hate no matter what it is.. I still think it's a good idea.. but its not so much hate CCP and many players want null groups to be more reliant on their own space and less on HS making it easier to get things from HS goes against this with that said we are never going to see this happen until meta mods can be built But they still would be stuff sufficient.. We have Jump freighters and jump bridge networks.. A little haulers not gonna make that big of a difference.. Hi sec and null sec have always depended on each other and always will... Hi sec is the trade hub.. and a core source for manufacturing.. Null sec is the source for high end ore and moon resources... One will always need the other...
Helia Tranquilis State War Academy Caldari State 24	Posted - 2015.09.07 18:22:47 - [30] - Quote You broke the first rule of F&I: Never suggest a new ship, especially if having it makes sense. Eve needs no new ships, every new ship is just more and more broken, just look what happened with T3 dessies. Obligatory, fix sov and bring back HAM Drakes.
Vic Jefferson GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 581	Posted - 2015.09.07 19:00:05 - [31] - Quote Prorator fits 13.8k m3, and has the 90% reduction to fatigue. Just blops jump it around and you have exactly what you want. Please prevent T3s online from ruining the industrial line up as well. Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
Anthar Thebess 1291	Posted - 2015.09.07 19:04:13 - [32] - Quote Yes if after tanking them up they will have around 50k EHP, and they need long align time and no MJD Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
FireFrenzy SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart. 577	Posted - 2015.09.07 21:26:55 - [33] - Quote I'd buy one on launch day... Especially if it could be Fettled with either subs or something to have various kinds of holds...
Anthar Thebess 1291	Posted - 2015.09.08 07:05:36 - [34] - Quote CCP could use old earth hulls - the same we have in relic sites. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Celthric Kanerian Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation 437	Posted - 2015.09.08 09:24:03 - [35] - Quote I fail to see how a t3 hauler would get its adaptivity from. Let's say one mode or subsystem grants jump drive capability, what does the other modes or subsystems do? Sacrifice the jump capability for more cargo in a cool new fashionable way, or something entirely different? How would it fit the slot of the t3's? Please explain.
Anthar Thebess 1292	Posted - 2015.09.08 09:59:48 - [36] - Quote Different transport , smaller version of jump freighter. I am totally fine in this ship as long as it use the same skills like Jump Freighters. So we get smaller ( and cheaper version ) of JF , that have the same mandatory skills , but provide new options. I quite often use JF to haul <20k supplies from my "home" - because i need them now. This will be perfect for low scale players , WH groups that need to transport something fast. Good for gankers , as it will have less ehp. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Luscius Uta 155	Posted - 2015.09.08 11:19:13 - [37] - Quote Aeon Veritas wrote: Did you realize that cloaky haulers fit quite nicely your requirements? May except for the own jump drive and a little less cargo... And since you want to haul something into null I'm considering you're part of an comunity. So what about you may ask some of your fellows to bridge you around with their shiny black ops? Just because there's a workaround for an idea doesn't mean that the said idea shouldn't be implemented in a better way. What people like you probably call a dumbification I call a quality of life improvement. EVE needs more quality of life improvements and less people who oppose them. This ship's role, if properly implemented, wouldn't conflict with Blockade Runners since Blockade Runners don't need jump drive skills nor jump fuel. Of course I don't mind giving it few more disadvantages over Blockade Runners, like less fitting slots, worse agility and warp speed. Though I don't see why it should be a T3 ship and not just another class of T2 Industrials. +1 to idea
Renfus Vaults of Valhalla 10	Posted - 2015.09.08 12:35:13 - [38] - Quote Ya know i said T3 because we already have T2 haulers... I honestly dont care what class the ship is.. Make it a new pirate class hauler ... hell i dont care if the requirements are the same as Jump freighters or some version... yeah it's not a blockade runner so make it weaker lower its hp & take away a slot or 2 to " make room for the Jump drive" But basically its utility and function is what's needed.. light deep 0.0 supply runs.. fuel, ammo, mods, bpc ect.. Or even initial POS setup.. >20k or whatever the cargo hold would end up being.. it's not taking the light away from blockade runners.. they will always have a place running low sec & WHs though i think they need immunity to bubbles... hell if intys get it a blockade runner if any ship should but thats a different topic.. lol
Renfus Vaults of Valhalla 10	Posted - 2015.09.11 22:26:59 - [39] - Quote Any Dev opinions on this?
Atkyaz Dreadstalker Killer Sea Monkeys 6	Posted - 2015.09.12 00:59:55 - [40] - Quote A blockade runner fit for max cargo can hold about 12,000m3 It does not have its own jump drive, but can be bridged by a black ops. Effectively making it fill the role you are asking for, except slightly less cargo. And the requirement for a second account or friend to bridge you. If you have the right conections, any hauler can be bridged by a Titan. I agree a hauler size jump capable ship would be nice, but is not really needed. If this idea did get any traction I would rather see a subcap jump drive module that could be fitted to any subcap, including haulers, with very steep fitting requirements of course. Capitals can now use gates, why not allow subcaps to use jumpdrives? with jump fatigue, and shorter jump range, jump drives are not the advantage they once were.

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