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CCP Larrikin
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.09.07 12:34:29 -
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Hi Internet Space Pilots,
WeGÇÖre not releasing the proposed fleet warp changes with the Vanguard release. The implementation of the fleet-based bookmarks is more technically costly that we had hoped. WeGÇÖre not prepared to release this version of the warp changes without the fleet bookmark system.
Regarding fleet warps, weGÇÖre going to look at alternative design solutions. We would like to incentivize players rather than remove existing functionality.
Regarding bookmarks, there are very early plans for a technical redesign. This should lead to many advantages, including (but not limited too) fleet bookmarks.
We appreciate the passionate feedback from the community regarding this issue.
Cheers,
CCP Larrikin |
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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
1931
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Posted - 2015.09.07 12:35:39 -
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Any word on alliance BMs?
And allowing pilots to regulate their warp speeds?
And +500 for not doing this change half cocked. |
ChromeStriker
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
939
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Posted - 2015.09.07 12:50:02 -
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Thanks for the update :)
No Worries
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Gunz blazing Ronuken
Insane's Asylum
Pride Before Fall
8
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Posted - 2015.09.07 13:04:38 -
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alliance bookmarks sounds nice but when people bm every single location in 50 or more systems everything from tacticals off gates etc to their favourite veldspar mining spots in alliance bookmarks. Things will get crowded to browse through.
Imo Alliance bookmarks should be temporary like for 1-4 days then the server deletes them after a preset amount of time.
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Thelonious Blake
Lethal Intent.
159
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Posted - 2015.09.07 13:18:25 -
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I certainly hope you're not going to purge existing player bookmarks with the implementation of a new system 
Would it be possible to be able to share bookmarks in the sense of... coordinates? Without the physical (virtual) item that is.
Cheers for the heads up  |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
133
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Posted - 2015.09.07 13:22:29 -
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I was wondering what had happened to this. Thank you for the update. I think you made the right decisions as fleet warping is a much loved and used features and removing its functionality as proposed would have had a minimal impact on bomber wings. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3286
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Posted - 2015.09.07 13:24:59 -
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Remove fleet warps entirely.
Instead, allow fleet members to broadcast anything they are able to warp to ( personal bookmarks, probe results, etc) for the rest of the fleet to warp to as well.
This gives us a much higher degree of individual ship control (and people actually playing the game, with the associated possibilities this generates for pilot error or initiative) without many of the issues people complained about in your original proposal.
Post on the Eve-o forums with a Goonswarm Federation character that drinking bleach is bad for you, and 20 forum warriors will hospitalise themselves trying to prove you wrong.
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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
1501
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Posted - 2015.09.07 13:30:24 -
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I'm glad this change is being delayed, if not sidelined... FCs go to a lot of trouble to pre-scout, create bookmarks in important areas and so forth, the notion that they cannot be shared among other pilots is unrealistic - an artificial barrier as it were.
For on-grid warps, I'd like to see something a bit more quirky, a tanky HIC, CS or BLOPs like ship capable of MDJing entire squads up-to 200km away, subject to a slightly longer spool up.. use heat enabled or not to determine how far you go to give its use some flexibility... maybe limit the ship types able to use it.
I'd love to be able to use a, lets say, "catapult drive" to throw ceptors 200km towards a target |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1383
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Posted - 2015.09.07 15:08:21 -
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Fleet bookmarks ... interesting ... can understand that this is quite complicated to implement as fleets are a non-permanent and volatile entity. My feeling is that the combined benefit of crippling fleet warps and adding fleet bookmarks is not high enough to justify the implementation effort...
... a better approach could be to delegate unique tasks to wings and squads.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Rivr Luzade
Exclusion Cartel
The Kadeshi
1863
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Posted - 2015.09.07 15:20:09 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:... a better approach could be to delegate unique tasks to wings and squads.
Too much to ask for from the individual players. They can't even take squad commander positions on their own until someone tells them that positions are open. It simply doesn't sit with the casual oriented and educated towards casual player anymore to take responsibility for things and check things.
Good that CCP holds back on these changes longer so that a proper solution can be found instead of continuing with releases of half-baked teaser features. That's good to see.
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Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
1636
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Posted - 2015.09.07 15:25:27 -
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Ammzi
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1902
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Posted - 2015.09.07 15:27:02 -
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When you fix bookmarks, pls make alliances real and give them bookmarks, ey? |
BlitZ Kotare
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
134
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Posted - 2015.09.07 15:31:36 -
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Thanks for listening to our feedback regarding this issue :). |
Chessur
Mining Industry Exile Foundation
Warlords of the Deep
599
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Posted - 2015.09.07 15:48:50 -
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I am really sad that these changes are now being removed. Fleet warp changes were going to be such a great, and healthy thing for this game :( |
Nicola Arman
Lacuna.
54
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Posted - 2015.09.07 15:55:23 -
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" We would like to incentivize players rather than remove existing functionality. "
This is the smartest thing I've heard a CCP representative say. Ever.
Keep that mindset and this game could have a very strong future.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6769
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Posted - 2015.09.07 15:56:12 -
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Chessur wrote:I am really sad that these changes are now being removed. Fleet warp changes were going to be such a great, and healthy thing for this game :( Yeah, because adding tedium to a game always works out, amirite?
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Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1789
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Posted - 2015.09.07 16:08:06 -
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It is a neck and neck race which Dev we love the most lately.
You or Nullarbor. Props for not going through with this.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.
Creator of Burn Jita
Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
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knobber Jobbler
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
578
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Posted - 2015.09.07 16:10:17 -
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Larrikin, you're our last, best hope. It's almost like you've played this game before rather than just used to theory craft for alliance tournaments.
Lucas Kell wrote:Chessur wrote:I am really sad that these changes are now being removed. Fleet warp changes were going to be such a great, and healthy thing for this game :( Yeah, because adding tedium to a game always works out, amirite?
You mean you don't enjoy orbiting endless numbers of nodes while trying to find something to watch on netflx/playing another more engaging game? |
Kayley
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2015.09.07 16:12:52 -
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Thank you very much for listening!
And please keep this in mind for any future changes:
" We would like to incentivize players rather than remove existing functionality. "
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Herez TheChamber
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.09.07 16:28:16 -
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https://soundcloud.com/herez/round-table-highlights
thank god roundtable had some impact..... small but still |
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Awkward Pi Duolus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
144
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Posted - 2015.09.07 16:35:13 -
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Sorry, could someone please link to the exact changes that are not being implemented? Was it all of https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/fleet-warp-changes-coming-in-august-release/ or some subset? |
Suitonia
Genos Occidere
Warlords of the Deep
626
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Posted - 2015.09.07 16:36:49 -
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Change the Minimum Warp Distance from 150km to 250km
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Colman Dietmar
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
62
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Posted - 2015.09.07 16:39:34 -
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I think a better way to improve line fleet member gameplay would be to add relevant combat actions beside hitting align and activating guns. More active modules, with larger variety of effects, and more slots to use them. Or perhaps something similiar to T3 destroyers switching modes, but with even more options and branches. And for most ships, not just the token few.
But I'm pretty sure that would take much more effort than fleet bookmarks, so yeah. |
Cobat Marland
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.09.07 16:41:23 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Chessur wrote:I am really sad that these changes are now being removed. Fleet warp changes were going to be such a great, and healthy thing for this game :( Yeah, because adding tedium to a game always works out, amirite?
What hes really saying is: he was looking forward to farming even more kills from 80km in an oracle without tackle being warped on top of him. |
Zxyxcana
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2015.09.07 16:53:15 -
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Well done CCP Larrikin, well done indeed. We might get this ship back on path yet. |
Wrik Hoover
Hoover Inc.
Pandemic Legion
155
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Posted - 2015.09.07 16:59:00 -
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TIL that you'r sourcecode is a better game designer than u |
FearlessLittleToaster
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
52
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Posted - 2015.09.07 17:19:10 -
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Thank you for reconsidering how fleetwarp will be changed. Implementing the changes as first advertised would have made it all but impossible to catch kiting setups, something that is already frustratingly hard to do. The game needs more ways to get in fights not less; making crazy eyes at people from extreme range without anyone ever committing to a fight is frustrating and dull. |
WarFireV
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Legion
427
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Posted - 2015.09.07 17:41:33 -
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Since this is scraped, can you just make bombers decloak themselves again? |
Degotoga
Hoover Inc.
Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2015.09.07 17:49:37 -
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WarFireV wrote:Since this is scraped, can you just make bombers decloak themselves again?
For bombers to be a problem people would have to fly battleships on the reg. CCP has made it clear that this is not what they have in mind for EVE 2015
entosis bois! |
Vigilanta
S0utherN Comfort
DARKNESS.
113
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Posted - 2015.09.07 19:32:26 -
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If you had done more of this sooner I might still be giving you my money rather than other companies. It's a step in the right direction but a small one at that. You have alot of work to do if your going to win back your player base |
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