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Taisuke Black
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.04.07 16:31:00 -
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(Migrated from old forums with an approval of 88%)
The Legion needs to be fixed. In almost every single role the other T3's perform significantly better: missioning, ratting, buffer PVP, active tank PVP, the list goes on. And the reason is a fundamental lack of focus.
There are a few things that an Amarr T3 cruiser SHOULD NOT HAVE:
1. It should not have the ability to have 5 medium slots.
2. It should not have the ability to have only 3 low slots!!!!
3. It should not have a laser capacitor bonus in a configuration with only 4 lasers.
A few small changes could make the legion radically better by improving its crappy configurations, while leaving its already good setups completely untouched.
First, remove the medium-slot conversion for the covert ops and drone offensive subsystems. None of the other T3's have slot changes for their offensive subs, why should the legion?
Second, change the defensive subs so that they alternate a high slot with a medium, instead of a high with a low. The Tengu absolutely NEEDS med slots, so it cannot go below 5 of them. In the same way, the Legion NEEDS low slots, making any configuration with less than 5 of them a crippled ship. This is not flexibility, it's a trap for the players to fall into.
The current slot boundaries for the Legion are as follows:
Low: 3-7
Medium: 3-5
High: 5-7
What I'm proposing would turn it into this:
Low: 5-7
Medium: 2-4
High: 5-7
For reference, the Tengu is this:
Low: 2-5
Medium: 5-7
High: 5-7
It seems pretty clear that the Tengu's options play to its strengths, while the Legion's are counter-intuitive and some are even self-destructive. The Proteus cannot have less than 5 low slots, and the Loki has defensive subs that support either kind of tank.
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One thing I want to make very clear: this change would do absolutely nothing to buffer-laser fits. It would do nothing to 1800dps-tanked 250dps-dealing HAM fits. What it WOULD affect are the drones+interdiction nullifier fits that nobody uses, and the 400dps-tank ratting setups that have LOWER STATS THAN A DRAKE.
If you have any doubts as to the imbalance here, just look at market data for the T3 ships. People sell maybe 1/5 as many Legions as they do Tengus, yet the buffer and laser subsystems remain at a high price. It's because they're the ONLY subsystems people use. The only good legion fits have 6+ low slots, and any subsystem layout with fewer than 5 results in a TERRIBLE SHIP.
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Regarding the missile subsystem, I think the current damage numbers are tuned perfectly. The Tengu does more damage if it uses kinetic HAMs, while the legion does more for the other 3 HAM types. However, that doesn't mean Assault Optimization should just stop at 2 bonuses while EVERY OTHER offensive sub has either 3 bonuses, or drones. (counting cov ops cloaking as 2)
So, I propose the legion HAM subsystem gain a 5%/level bonus to explosion velocity. This will also be needed because the tweaked Legion will find it much harder to fit webs, a key part of HAM strategy.
Alternatively, Assault Optimization could gain 25/25 drone bay/bandwidth. I'm not suggesting both of these be added, but one of them is needed to bring it up to the standard.
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Finally, change the Covert Ops subsystem to a damage or even rof bonus. It's got 4, maybe 5 guns, who cares how much cap they take? People just use autocannons on their cov-ops legions with 3-4 low slots. You know, so they can cloak, fly to the station and get their Cov-ops cloaking, ganking Tengu.
I very much hope that CCP will take a look at the STRONG evidence I've gathered here and make some small changes that will go a long way.
To anybody who actually read this entire post, I sincerely thank you. |
Skala Akimova
Northern Freight Unlimited
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Posted - 2011.04.07 17:23:00 -
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I've got to say I like most of these changes, the legion is by far the worst of the T3 on every front.
I'd support it if I could figure out how on these new forums. |
Conventia Underking
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.07 20:27:00 -
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I support improving the Legion, whether or not these particular changes are done. |
Sahnsa
Tri-gun
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Posted - 2011.04.07 20:58:00 -
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A DPS Tengu has 12 launcher hardpoints. Upgrade the laser subsystem to give a 15% damage bonus per level, instead of 10%. You'll get 10.5 effective hardpoints, and the problem will be mostly solved. Oh, and we'll actually have a reason to upgrade over a zealot that has 8.33.
A covert Tengu has 6.25 launcher hardpoints. Upgrade the covops subsystem to have 2 turrets instead of four, but give a 100% role bonus to laser damage, and change the bonus to be a 5% bonus to optimal instead. You'll get 6 effective hardpoints, and the problem will be mostly solved. You might need to kill some utility high slots, though, as that might be overpowered when combined with the energy neutralization subsystem.
Missile subsystem is working more or less as intended. It can't use HMLs, and it doesn't do as much kinetic damage as a Tengu, but in the event that you have to shoot another damage type they come out more or less equal, with the Tengu having an edge due to its range bonus. Caldari are supposed to have better missile systems, but an explosion radius/velocity bonus couldn't hurt.
Drone subsystem? More bandwidth? Fsck if I know.
Then fix the electronics subsystems so they all give one fewer midslot and one more low slot. |
Aidan Patrick
Zero Point Group
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Posted - 2011.04.07 23:13:00 -
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As a Legion pilot I strongly support these changes.
Don't get me wrong, I love my Legion but having seen corp mates fits and fly the Tengu & Proteus and the fact that I have an alt with a Loki...The Legion is by far the worst of all the T3 cruisers.
Some bonus would be very nice. |
Dograzor
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2011.04.07 23:46:00 -
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As already stated in the previous topic on the old forums, I hereby endorse this proposal. I love the legion, but it needs alot more love. Tis sad having it only as a cloakie nullsec prober. |
Vanity Killer
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.08 00:36:00 -
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As a Gallente gunboat pilot, and fan of the T3s I have to agree. The Legion is whack in how it's set up, and needs much improving. Please CCP make the Legion less suck, more awesome. |
BlueShift Solo
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
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Posted - 2011.04.08 01:22:00 -
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Amarr ships NEED low slots, and the Legion is no exception.
Seriously, folks, there's no logical reason to use an Amarr ship with only three or four lows. This is why many Amarr pilots are training for the other T3s instead of the Legion.
/Signed |
Sahnsa
Tri-gun
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Posted - 2011.04.08 03:11:00 -
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BlueShift Solo wrote:Amarr ships NEED low slots, and the Legion is no exception.
Seriously, folks, there's no logical reason to use an Amarr ship with only three or four lows. This is why many Amarr pilots are training for the other T3s instead of the Legion.
/Signed
The stupid thing is that it could be fixed by just changing the electronics subsystems. Make them give 0/3/1 or 1/2/1 instead (H/M/L). |
Marconus Orion
S.E.G.W.A.Y.
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Posted - 2011.04.08 08:32:00 -
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No.
After they fix faillente then they can put attention towards the already OP Amarr.
Besides, the 100mn ab HAM Legion is amazing at PvP. It could be worse, you could have a Gravitational Capacitor instead of your bonus subsystem to afterburners. |
Jokerface666
The Warp Squad
Deadly Unknown
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Posted - 2011.04.08 09:08:00 -
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Legion Pilot here,
it is strongly supported, only way i can stand a corpmates Loki is by having 2 A-Type Reppers running on my Ganklegion
the only thing that a Legion really does good is neuting the hell out of people. but thats it.... |
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