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Cipher7
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Posted - 2007.01.13 09:31:00 -
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Rubbish.
If we want to balance risk reward, Amamake rats should pay bounties of 3 million isk, and flying into Jita should trigger some kind of "hazard pay."
Deep 0.0 is many many times more profitable than Empire, and most of it is safer too.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2007.01.13 09:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Lenaria
There is one thing i agree - empire LOW-SEC risk vs reward is borked. The solution? Well, its not nerfing high-sec empire as some "wise" persons suggest. The right solution is to boost low-sec empire by either reducing risk or increasing reward.
They already reduced travelling risk in lowsec with WTZ.
The problem is that in the belts, .4 has the same danger as 0.0 for alot less pay.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2007.01.13 09:42:00 -
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For a quick lesson on risk/reward :
1) Hit F10
2) Set map to "show ships destroyed in the last 24 hours"
3) Zoom out
Notice that highsec is one big glowing blob of death.
The highest paying rat is around 25k.
Now zoom further out and look at 0.0
The blobs are much smaller and dimmer, in areas nonexistant.
Coincidentally that's where you find 1.5 mil rats.
Risk/Reward is indeed skewed. In FAVOR of 0.0.
Not that I'm complaining. That's how it SHOULD be.
Providence favors the bold. People took big risks coming out to 0.0 and living out there and fighting for it, they deserve the big rewards.
Lowsec risk/reward could use some tweaking but overall I think CCP got it right.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2007.01.13 09:53:00 -
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For the record, yes I agree that missions are anti-Eve.
CCP should develop a single-player version of Eve.
You could charge all the mission runners $15 a month to play it. They won't even notice a difference.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2007.01.13 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Hilabana
If your so full of your self to think eve is only a PVP game and you think PVP stands only for ganking people at gates then eve is no longer the game for all the player but just the small number like you.
Yes Eve is a PVP game.
Mining is PVP. Trading is PVP. Industry is PVP.
All those activities serve to advance one entity against another.
Hisec is the newbie area, you are supposed to learn the game and spread your wings. Being in Empire for 2 years is like living with your mother at age 40.
Why are at least %40 of the Eve userbase experiencing failure to launch?
Because of the existance of risk free money from missions.
Also mission runners sit in help channel and poison new players by making them fear 0.0
BTW - I am not a pirate or gateganker. I am not looking to attract new players to 0.0 to gank them, I want to invite people to experience the best part of Eve.
Corps like Eve University, ISS, and other non-territorial alliances do more to help new players experience Eve than CCP.
CCP needs to step up and do its job by creating INCENTIVES to leave empire, not keep piling on carebear content to keep highsec players comfortable.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2007.01.14 00:26:00 -
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Edited by: Cipher7 on 14/01/2007 00:24:17
To me competition over resources is the ultimate PVP. When you logoff, the guy that undercut you before will undercut you again. It is personal and interactive PVP.
I don't see empire as "the cities." Empire is the NPC communities for new players. 0.0 is the Player built communities that hopefully people will gravitate towards and become members of.
I am not insulting you, you are choosing to feel insulted because I am not telling you what you want to hear.
The best time to visit 0.0 is when you are a newb. That's when your clone is still dirt cheap. Who do new players have to look up to? The help channel full of 3 year old PVE highsec players. So where are they supposed to learn how to survive in lowsec and 0.0?
Then those newbs eventually become 3 year old PVE highsec players themselves.
It's a viscious cycle.
It is not a matter of "not having time." If you have time to grab your destroyer and loot/salvage a blockade mission, you definitely have time to warp to a roid and kill an 800k rat.
Again its the viscious cycle of help channel fearmongering and ignorance, part of which is spilling over into this thread from your very lips.
Once again I am not trying to diss you, I just want to help, and if you feel insulted hopefully you can forgive my clumsy but innocent attempt to call more players out to the deep end of the pool to understand what the rest of us are ranting and raving about.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2007.01.14 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Hilabana
stuff
You're right, there certainly are alot of players with medical issues, and they should not be alienated from the virtual world we call Eve. I did not intend to mock your personal circumstances.
I am certain that a large percentage of highsec PVE players would take the plunge and enjoy themselves more if there was just a little more effort taken to educate them, and some encouragement by CCP in the form of a little bit more incentive and rewards to live in lowsec.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2007.01.15 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: helrider606
OK i have read most of this and let me say for me i run missions in high sec because its safe to! running a mission in low sec when i have damage specfic hardners on and gun is just asking for it from a pirate .I do want to move out to 0.0 but lets face it everyone dosnt want to drop what they are doing to fend off someone trying to invade when your say only a year old and they are 3+ .
flame me if you want but as far as low sec really what for run a mission and get killed by a guy who does nothing but shoot at gates all day talk about boring to blow-up my 165 mil isk mealstrom just because he wants to check hic size naw i will stay safe .
Take a t1 frigate into lowsec with t1 mods and rat the belts.
About 1 mil an hour not including the loot. You find named mods worth millions, reprocess the rest, use the minerals to build ships, sell em.
Keep going lower as your skills improve.
You can rat in 0.0 in a t1 cruiser with t1 mods, all you need is permission from the owners.
Risk : 1-2 mil insurance
Reward: 3-5 mil an hour + loot
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2007.01.15 23:00:00 -
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Why do you have to get the football to the endzone?
Why can't all the players just sit at the 10 yard line and have doughnuts? Because then it's not football.
This is Eve, highsec is intended as the newbie starting area.
We got new players in rookieships flying around trying to find a roid, meanwhile 3 year old players in large barge come around strip mining everything.
Unless you have some kind of a disability, an experienced player should not be squatting in the newbie area.
I would rather the exodus from highsec be voluntary, through the works of entites such as Eve University, ISS, Agony Unleashed, and non-territorial alliances. Yes, even the great BoB rents out space where mining corps can sit there and mine for days and never see another soul.
I support the gankage of macrominers and hulks in highsec, they are griefing new players by artificially depressing the price of trit.
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