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EFS Manager Eve Financial Services	Posted - 2006.12.15 17:30:00 - [1] I am trying to get confirmation of whether this is a bug or intentional within Eve. It is rather important for future structures and management of corps. In theory a director can run for CEO by starting the vote, and if the vote passes, then he takes over as CEO. However the CEO can remove roles and kick a director from the corp even if that director has a large portion of the shares. I understood that if a member has a large chunk of the shares (5%+) that a vote needs to be created to kick them, but that is not the case. Is this a bug or a change of plans? I want to run a public company with a real board of directors. As things stand right now, the CEO has total control and could just kick everyone from the corp and control all the assets (although he would not be able to pass an unlock vote). If someone (or a group) has the majority of the shares in a corp, even if they are not in the corp, is there anything that can be done (GM help maybe) to create a vote to run for CEO? Thanks, EFS Manager
Montaire Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.15 17:45:00 - [2] You cant kick someone with shares. You have to vote them out.
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.15 17:58:00 - [3] I'm more interested in why you keep sending me eve mails when I have no idea who you are.
Hoshi DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.15 18:27:00 - [4] Think I read somewhere that while vote for a new ceo is in motion the current ceo temporarly looses his ceo powers until the vote is finished. Don't remember exactly how it was supposed to work ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2006.12.15 18:34:00 - [5] Originally by: Hoshi Think I read somewhere that while vote for a new ceo is in motion the current ceo temporarly looses his ceo powers until the vote is finished. Don't remember exactly how it was supposed to work I can confirm that this is correct.
EFS Manager Eve Financial Services	Posted - 2006.12.15 22:12:00 - [6] Originally by: Montaire You cant kick someone with shares. You have to vote them out. That is incorrect. I have tested this and you can in fact kick someone out that has shares. If this were not the case then there would be no problem. /EFS Manager
EFS Manager Eve Financial Services	Posted - 2006.12.15 22:14:00 - [7] Originally by: Herculite I'm more interested in why you keep sending me eve mails when I have no idea who you are. If you check your wallet, you will see that you have some Eve Financial Services shares. Someone in FIX gave a lot of the members EFS shares for some reason, so that is why you get all evemails sent to shareholders. You are welcome to give me the shares back if you like! /EFS Manager
EFS Manager Eve Financial Services	Posted - 2006.12.16 13:17:00 - [8] I'm still trying to get some sort of confirmation on this from CCP. Any ideas how to find out what the official standpoint on this is? /EFS Manager
Johnathan Roark Caldari Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.12.16 13:56:00 - [9] Originally by: EFS Manager I'm still trying to get some sort of confirmation on this from CCP. Any ideas how to find out what the official standpoint on this is? /EFS Manager Petition and file a bug report. This has not been the case until recently, if at all, I have not tested. You do need to have at least 5 shares to have to do this. Also, anyone with a certain number shares should be able to run for CEO, although I am not sure if that requires 5% or 5 of the shares as well. Corporation Management Improvement
EFS Manager Eve Financial Services	Posted - 2006.12.17 17:12:00 - [10] Originally by: Johnathan Roark Originally by: EFS Manager I'm still trying to get some sort of confirmation on this from CCP. Any ideas how to find out what the official standpoint on this is? /EFS Manager Petition and file a bug report. This has not been the case until recently, if at all, I have not tested. You do need to have at least 5 shares to have to do this. Also, anyone with a certain number shares should be able to run for CEO, although I am not sure if that requires 5% or 5 of the shares as well. I tested this again, and now it does not allow me to kick any member with 5% of the shares. However the problem still is how to run for CEO if there is a majority of the shareholders that want him gone as CEO. I can only see a way of doing this if you are a director, but the CEO can remove that ability. /EFS Manager
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2006.12.17 17:15:00 - [11] your solution can be in an alt corp an alt corp with yourself only, sending to the "shared corp" dividends and assets on demand, not all at once property is safe, and the second corp can run like any other but the bank account is safe ------ relaxed corp looking for members
EFS Manager Eve Financial Services	Posted - 2006.12.17 17:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 17/12/2006 17:23:51 your solution can be in an alt corp an alt corp with yourself only, sending to the "shared corp" dividends and assets on demand, not all at once the "main" corp is just a shareholder of the "holding" corp property is safe, and the second corp can run like any other but the bank account is safe It has nothing to do with a bank account. It is more to do with being able to run a public investment fund with a board of directors who control all lock/unlock votes, but who can take over from the CEO if he (in this case me) does not keep to the corp agreements. /EFS Manager
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.17 17:47:00 - [13] Originally by: EFS Manager Originally by: Herculite I'm more interested in why you keep sending me eve mails when I have no idea who you are. If you check your wallet, you will see that you have some Eve Financial Services shares. Someone in FIX gave a lot of the members EFS shares for some reason, so that is why you get all evemails sent to shareholders. You are welcome to give me the shares back if you like! /EFS Manager Ah well that explains it My first thought was 'How is this person trying to scam me'.
EFS Manager Eve Financial Services	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:38:00 - [14] Originally by: Herculite Ah well that explains it My first thought was 'How is this person trying to scam me'. Far too many sceptics around here I'm not getting any response from CCP on this despite trying to find out for a while now if a shareholder that has had his roles removed should be able to run for CEO. Otherwise the CEO still has the power to retain their position by pre-emptively removing roles from all directors. *PLEASE* could a GM or Dev give me an answer on this one /EFS Manager
Asimov Andies Gallente Red Blade Industries	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:57:00 - [15] I believe... could and probably am wrong though, that if you are not a director, you must have atleast 10% of shares to be able to run for CEO if not a Director. But then again, I am new so would not know. But would be nice to know an answer. -=##=- Why are they shooting at us Captain?
Morhon Amarr Aegis Starship Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.17 22:38:00 - [16] It's been along time but I think you only need to be in the corp (don't need any roles) you want to take over and have a single share to run for CEO. Also it's the percentage of votes cast that decide. E.g if there are 1,000,000 shares and you are the only person that bothers to vote with your 1 share you win. As for if you can be kicked out by the CEO after he spots what you have done I am not sure, but if the vote takes 24hrs and he doesn't spot it till one hour after you ran for CEO, it will take him 24 hours to kick you out (if you have any roles) so you should be ok provided you win the vote. Things may have been changed now but thats how it used to work (if I remember right). Oh and people that aren't even in the corp but have shares get to vote on it too. They will get a mail from the CEO about it and can then vote by right clicking there shares. The only way I can see that you can protect yourself from being kicked by the CEO should he chose to get shot of you (before you run for CEO) is to have an alt in the corp (the CEO doesn't know about) with the skills to run it and give him your shares in the worst case, then run for CEO when he is gonna be offline a few hours and hope for the best Hope this helps Does my bum look big in this cape?
EFS Manager Eve Financial Services	Posted - 2006.12.18 00:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Asimov Andies I believe... could and probably am wrong though, that if you are not a director, you must have atleast 10% of shares to be able to run for CEO if not a Director. But then again, I am new so would not know. But would be nice to know an answer. It would seem that you are correct here. Thanks! What got me is that the vote has to be cast via the shares section of the wallet and not from the corp management section. I'm all happy now
EFS Manager Eve Financial Services	Posted - 2006.12.18 00:43:00 - [18] Thanks for the suggestion Morhon. It wasn't quite what I was looking for but thanks for trying. /EFS Manager

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