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Reservoir Dog Free Space Tech	Posted - 2006.12.16 12:40:00 - [31] Originally by: King Dave 1. Between pos guns our titan and our fleet we recieved 456 kill mails in 1v- last friday night. I'm sorry, don't you count that as a win? You'd better read more carefully what Velios wrote on your forum. Kills means nothing when you failed to achieve your objectives. And from this point of view all fleet battles in 1v were lost by LV no matter how much uber-1337 kills you scored.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.16 12:48:00 - [32] Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/12/2006 12:48:34 Originally by: Reservoir Dog Originally by: King Dave 1. Between pos guns our titan and our fleet we recieved 456 kill mails in 1v- last friday night. I'm sorry, don't you count that as a win? You'd better read more carefully what Velios wrote on your forum. Kills means nothing when you failed to achieve your objectives. And from this point of view all fleet battles in 1v were lost by LV no matter how much uber-1337 kills you scored. Yes, true. Remember the day, when we pulled out and the last poses fell in 1v.. We cleared the station to get our pilots out, although we were already heavily outnumbered, until the next hostile fleet of like 70 pilots came in and so on. You have won the battle, but have not broken us. The more I read these threads the stronger my will grows to pay it back, better sooner than later. But I leave this thread now. I should rather spend my valuable time in-game now. CTD/con-loss vs. log-out. A proposal for a fix.
King Dave Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.16 12:49:00 - [33] Edited by: King Dave on 16/12/2006 12:54:12 Edited by: King Dave on 16/12/2006 12:49:12 Originally by: Reservoir Dog Originally by: King Dave 1. Between pos guns our titan and our fleet we recieved 456 kill mails in 1v- last friday night. I'm sorry, don't you count that as a win? You'd better read more carefully what Velios wrote on your forum. Kills means nothing when you failed to achieve your objectives. And from this point of view all fleet battles in 1v were lost by LV no matter how much uber-1337 kills you scored. Read more carefuly the thread YOU are reading right now. I quote myself from above. Originally by: King Dave When fighting goonswarm I tend to agree (that kills dont matter), but theres people in this thread saying goon are beating us in fleet battles, so it seems they want to tally up. Also, objectives and fleet battles are two different things, and we dont deny that. I'm simply countering the inane boasts that goons are beating us in 'fleet battles'. Blighmy now I know how threads like these turn into quote wars and 'but you said', 'but they said' comments. If people read what people write, then we dont have to have this boring banter. ------------------------------- don't speak english... f1, f2, alt-q!
Fartimus Prime Fart Corp	Posted - 2006.12.16 12:52:00 - [34] Originally by: King Dave 1. Between pos guns our titan and our fleet we recieved 456 kill mails in 1v- last friday night. I'm sorry, don't you count that as a win? I agree, those GOONies are probably sitting all smug in your old home system mining your old belts thinking they're cool, but it's the guys with 456 frigate kills on their killboard who will have the last laugh
King Dave Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.16 13:03:00 - [35] Originally by: Fartimus Prime Originally by: King Dave 1. Between pos guns our titan and our fleet we recieved 456 kill mails in 1v- last friday night. I'm sorry, don't you count that as a win? I agree, those GOONies are probably sitting all smug in your old home system mining your old belts thinking they're cool, but it's the guys with 456 frigate kills on their killboard who will have the last laugh I think the count was well over 100 battleships as you seem to care. As Ive said time and time again, I dont think it matters, but people in this thread are trying to say that they're beating us in fleet battles. So it seems they want to play a numbers game here. ------------------------------- don't speak english... f1, f2, alt-q!
Faith Black Minmatar Rolls Roids	Posted - 2006.12.16 13:06:00 - [36] Edited by: Faith Black on 16/12/2006 13:07:42 Edited by: Faith Black on 16/12/2006 13:06:46 Originally by: Fartimus Prime Originally by: King Dave 1. Between pos guns our titan and our fleet we recieved 456 kill mails in 1v- last friday night. I'm sorry, don't you count that as a win? I agree, those GOONies are probably sitting all smug in your old home system mining your old belts thinking they're cool, but it's the guys with 456 frigate kills on their killboard who will have the last laugh Look, I could hide and post clever comments from a 1-man corp that nobody knows, too. And I am even the main on this account and 1 year old. .... where the f... is my portrait ?
Ghost Reaper Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.16 13:13:00 - [37] "going down to LV and reminding them who the ***** is" that made me laugh Gr
Caleb Paine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.16 13:21:00 - [38] Focussed leadership and goals, appreciating effort and newer players and making sure people are able to do their thing. Sounds solid to me. -------------------------------- ISS Navy Task Force; Protecting your interest.
Amerame Section XIII	Posted - 2006.12.16 13:35:00 - [39] We're not playing counterstrike, no matter how many kills you score, if your PoSes get destroyed and systems switch sovereignty, claiming victory is at best completely ridiculous. As for those saying it was bad strontium timing, you should face the truth : not a SINGLE pos was saved starting from friday last week, no matter when or where their reinforced came out : 1v- or RYC during LV prime time or not, beside maybe you should stop making excuses, after JLO Goon wasn't supposed to get any more system, then 1v- felt : same BS, RYC felt the next day ... On the other hand, it's fine by me if you think it was just "bad luck" and you're safe, keep on doing a great job !
Klezz FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.16 13:42:00 - [40] Originally by: Amerame We're not playing counterstrike, no matter how many kills you score, if your PoSes get destroyed and systems switch sovereignty, claiming victory is at best completely ridiculous. As for those saying it was bad strontium timing, you should face the truth : not a SINGLE pos was saved starting from friday last week, no matter when or where their reinforced came out : 1v- or RYC during LV prime time or not, beside maybe you should stop making excuses, after JLO Goon wasn't supposed to get any more system, then 1v- felt : same BS, RYC felt the next day ... On the other hand, it's fine by me if you think it was just "bad luck" and you're safe, keep on doing a great job !

Archonon Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.12.16 14:06:00 - [41] Originally by: Aeon Yakati Tau Ceti federation still exists? u're changed ur tag but u're still a -v- , i.e nothing _______________________ Exitus Acta Probat
Arakk Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.16 14:07:00 - [42] Originally by: King Dave Originally by: Fartimus Prime Originally by: King Dave 1. Between pos guns our titan and our fleet we recieved 456 kill mails in 1v- last friday night. I'm sorry, don't you count that as a win? I agree, those GOONies are probably sitting all smug in your old home system mining your old belts thinking they're cool, but it's the guys with 456 frigate kills on their killboard who will have the last laugh I think the count was well over 100 battleships as you seem to care. As Ive said time and time again, I dont think it matters, but people in this thread are trying to say that they're beating us in fleet battles. So it seems they want to play a numbers game here. you know up until they lost space...KOS and -V- were rarely seen on the forums...all the while many LV pilots have been practically spammed on the forums over the last couple months... I think maybe LV should do a little less talk and a little more...you know...helping their allies keep their space. i wonder where you guys get all this time to post on the boards? i mean redswarm fleets surely cant be too hard to find seeing as theyve taken multiple regions from your coalition. then again...that could have been your intention of having them as allies anyway...amiright? i mean, youve got ascn to the west as a nice cushy bubble between you and anything dangerous in that direction...so why not form a coalition with the 2 alliances between you and redswarm? use them as a meat shield should redswarm move in, a place for them to blow isk on an invasion so by the time they get to you they have 1000 pos's to fuel. they could have lost 10,000 battleships and it doesnt make a lick of difference. you are FAILING in defending your allies. period. and they are SUCCEEDING in aiding theirs on a victorious mutually beneficial campaign. if the war ended right now...you lost. debate that, im intrigued to see the lv response...as theyre probably doing nothing to help anyone right now and spamming refresh on this thread. i'd legitimately like to see how you've won ANYTHING by losing multiple regions over the span of a few months.
Salda Smoke Hurricane	Posted - 2006.12.16 14:13:00 - [43] Originally by: Amerame As for those saying it was bad strontium timing, you should face the truth : not a SINGLE pos was saved starting from friday last week, no matter when or where their reinforced came out : 1v- or RYC during LV prime time or not, beside maybe you should stop making excuses, after JLO Goon wasn't supposed to get any more system, then 1v- felt : same BS, RYC felt the next day ... Perhaps when over half the towers in 1v- were destroyed after having less than 12 hours of stront, the -v- leadership decided to stop playing your game of pos warfare, and work a different angle? because your efforts to put down poses prior to this past week have been a slow grind.
Salda Smoke Hurricane	Posted - 2006.12.16 14:23:00 - [44] Edited by: Salda on 16/12/2006 14:25:15 Edited by: Salda on 16/12/2006 14:24:36 Originally by: Arakk Originally by: King Dave Originally by: Fartimus Prime Originally by: King Dave 1. Between pos guns our titan and our fleet we recieved 456 kill mails in 1v- last friday night. I'm sorry, don't you count that as a win? I agree, those GOONies are probably sitting all smug in your old home system mining your old belts thinking they're cool, but it's the guys with 456 frigate kills on their killboard who will have the last laugh I think the count was well over 100 battleships as you seem to care. As Ive said time and time again, I dont think it matters, but people in this thread are trying to say that they're beating us in fleet battles. So it seems they want to play a numbers game here. you know up until they lost space...KOS and -V- were rarely seen on the forums...all the while many LV pilots have been practically spammed on the forums over the last couple months... I think maybe LV should do a little less talk and a little more...you know...helping their allies keep their space. i wonder where you guys get all this time to post on the boards? i mean redswarm fleets surely cant be too hard to find seeing as theyve taken multiple regions from your coalition. then again...that could have been your intention of having them as allies anyway...amiright? i mean, youve got ascn to the west as a nice cushy bubble between you and anything dangerous in that direction...so why not form a coalition with the 2 alliances between you and redswarm? use them as a meat shield should redswarm move in, a place for them to blow isk on an invasion so by the time they get to you they have 1000 pos's to fuel. they could have lost 10,000 battleships and it doesnt make a lick of difference. you are FAILING in defending your allies. period. and they are SUCCEEDING in aiding theirs on a victorious mutually beneficial campaign. if the war ended right now...you lost. debate that, im intrigued to see the lv response...as theyre probably doing nothing to help anyone right now and spamming refresh on this thread. i'd legitimately like to see how you've won ANYTHING by losing multiple regions over the span of a few months. Are you daft? Are you even having the same argument? to sum it up Question: Who Fleets better Requirements, Definition: What is fleet combat? option A) Fleet combat is when two large groups of ships come together and do battle on a grid, with the winner being based on a combination of number/types of ships lost, and who held the field at the end/collected the loot. These generaly range 5-15 minutes option B) Fleet combat is the mobilization of forces over large periods of time(days) to complete an objective(take a station) Now, i would go with option A, option B, which you seem to argue for, would usually be called "Alliance Warfare." Fleet fights imo are the short things that happen when groups of pilots finally all warp into the same grid. So please, can we all please break out the dictionarys and have a nice flame war on the definition of a fleet?
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.16 14:31:00 - [45] Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/12/2006 14:39:19 Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/12/2006 14:33:51 Originally by: Salda Perhaps when over half the towers in 1v- were destroyed after having less than 12 hours of stront, the -v- leadership decided to stop playing your game of pos warfare, and work a different angle? Re ... wasn't happy about the 6-7 hour strontium myself, because it seemed too tight to get defense sorted out. I think I'm allowed to say that, without blaming someone, since noone knows for sure that it would have become different in the end. I remember that someone asked, why there is only 7h strontium in the pos and the answer was just: 'Then be there, when they come out of reinforcement.' Well, personally I was there in 1v- on that day and also the next day, until all poses were down. I did it for myself, so that nobody could say, you weren't there and for the other LV/V guys, who tried to hold 1v anyway and finally helped to get the last people out of the station and fought, until the end. Nevertheless I agree that a change in strategy was needed, because 1v was imho a key system and it was overrun. Imho anyone, who thinks that 1v wasn't the key system in Scalding Pass, although our main living area was in KZF/RYC/28- already, is wrong. Look where LV was based in Scalding Pass and many V still had there combat ships and you come to the concluseion, that 1v- was the military base number one there. edit: bleh, corrected some speeling and stuff CTD/con-loss vs. log-out. A proposal for a fix.
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.16 14:32:00 - [46] Originally by: Salda Originally by: Amerame As for those saying it was bad strontium timing, you should face the truth : not a SINGLE pos was saved starting from friday last week, no matter when or where their reinforced came out : 1v- or RYC during LV prime time or not, beside maybe you should stop making excuses, after JLO Goon wasn't supposed to get any more system, then 1v- felt : same BS, RYC felt the next day ... Perhaps when over half the towers in 1v- were destroyed after having less than 12 hours of stront, the -v- leadership decided to stop playing your game of pos warfare, and work a different angle? because your efforts to put down poses prior to this past week have been a slow grind. the5 style? Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.16 14:38:00 - [47] Originally by: Amerame We're not playing counterstrike, no matter how many kills you score, if your PoSes get destroyed and systems switch sovereignty, claiming victory is at best completely ridiculous. /Agreed The defenders sole purpose is to hold their ground , even if they obliterate 90% of the opposing force and lose their ground then they still LOSE ! How ever the K/L ratio only affects the proficency of each fleet and their tactics and you can debate on if they had a flawless victory or a close one or what ever but it just defines style and never the outcome of the battle. "Lord Samaiel, Rise " BNC Vs CELES Video
Heldane Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.12.16 15:12:00 - [48] Edited by: Heldane on 16/12/2006 15:12:31 Stront timing and excuses be damned. You fellas lost, pure and simple. Even with a titan and your vaunted mega-kill you still lost the system. According to reports you lost several fleet battles after the judgement. You failed to protect ANY of your allied stations and have been entirely on the defensive for months now (how many stations have redswarm lost?). Your allies are breaking and losing their homes while you contnue to sit here and brag about your killboard stats. Get a clue, you are being steamrolled and no amount of spin is going to change that. Victory is determined by results, and if merely having a higher kill/death ratio is what you consider victory then in short order you will be congratualating one another on your prowess and slapping each others backs in Jita.
Khayman33 Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.12.16 15:22:00 - [49] Originally by: s73v3n2k Originally by: Amerame Originally by: s73v3n2k Oh lets not forget BoB are coming for you and i can't see TCF and RA getting in the way. Not everyone is like LV and let their allies dies when there's trouble around. Didn't section XIII used to be members of red alliance ? Ah thats right you left when the going got tough back in march april this year. Yes to form TCF and come back to kick your ass .
Psan Vigilante Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.16 15:29:00 - [50] Originally by: Heldane Edited by: Heldane on 16/12/2006 15:12:31 Stront timing and excuses be damned. You fellas lost, pure and simple. Even with a titan and your vaunted mega-kill you still lost the system. According to reports you lost several fleet battles after the judgement. You failed to protect ANY of your allied stations and have been entirely on the defensive for months now (how many stations have redswarm lost?). Your allies are breaking and losing their homes while you contnue to sit here and brag about your killboard stats. Find us a reliable ally to put in Cache / Insmother and we'll see about taking a Goon/RA station IMO. I have to hand 1v- to goon/ra/tcf though. They truely brought down a lot of power on that system in one day. I was impressed. Hats off for losing 400+ ships and still taking 1v-. All this speculation and bull** means nothing until action starts getting taken. We'll see how it turns out then. I, personally, just wanna blow ** up - San

Unfamed II FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.16 15:35:00 - [51] Originally by: Khayman33 Originally by: s73v3n2k Originally by: Amerame Originally by: s73v3n2k Oh lets not forget BoB are coming for you and i can't see TCF and RA getting in the way. Not everyone is like LV and let their allies dies when there's trouble around. Didn't section XIII used to be members of red alliance ? Ah thats right you left when the going got tough back in march april this year. Yes to form TCF and come back to kick your ass . Yet to see you guys, except miserably failing in both RYC and in 1V. Seriously, it's not that great being an amarr, is it?
Boris Horrible British Federation Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.12.16 15:36:00 - [52] Edited by: Boris Horrible on 16/12/2006 15:37:42 Originally by: Psan Vigilante Originally by: Heldane Edited by: Heldane on 16/12/2006 15:12:31 Stront timing and excuses be damned. You fellas lost, pure and simple. Even with a titan and your vaunted mega-kill you still lost the system. According to reports you lost several fleet battles after the judgement. You failed to protect ANY of your allied stations and have been entirely on the defensive for months now (how many stations have redswarm lost?). Your allies are breaking and losing their homes while you contnue to sit here and brag about your killboard stats. Find us a reliable ally to put in Cache / Insmother and we'll see about taking a Goon/RA station IMO. I have to hand 1v- to goon/ra/tcf though. They truely brought down a lot of power on that system in one day. I was impressed. Hats off for losing 400+ ships and still taking 1v-. All this speculation and bull** means nothing until action starts getting taken. We'll see how it turns out then. I, personally, just wanna blow ** up So -V- and KOS were unreliable? As I understand it, -V-'s former home system was less than 10 jumps from the current RAGOON (Redswarm? Can someone correct me on this?) home system. Surely that is close enough from which to launch a considerable counter-offensive? It seems to me that LV now finds themselves in a quandary. To continue saying that RAGOON's efforts are of no consequence, they must admit to have neglected an ally. To say that they fully supported -V-, they must admit that RAGOON beat them in Scalding Pass. _______________ I'm an impartial observer, I merely tell it how I see it. My comments in no way are indicative of the opinions of my corporation or alliance.
Amerame Section XIII	Posted - 2006.12.16 15:52:00 - [53] Originally by: Unfamed II Yet to see you guys, except miserably failing in both RYC and in 1V. Yep, 1V- and RYC were such BIG failures.
CallMe 8675309 Gallente Truth In Advertising	Posted - 2006.12.16 16:27:00 - [54] Edited by: CallMe 8675309 on 16/12/2006 16:29:21 Edited by: CallMe 8675309 on 16/12/2006 16:28:25 Edited by: CallMe 8675309 on 16/12/2006 16:27:52 Originally by: Unfamed II Yet to see you guys, except miserably failing in both RYC and in 1V. Quote: except miserably failing in both RYC and 1V. Quote: miserably failing Quote: failing
Anonymous Coward Gallente Panopticon Citadel	Posted - 2006.12.16 16:30:00 - [55] Edited by: Anonymous Coward on 16/12/2006 16:30:44 Originally by: Unfamed II Yet to see you guys, except miserably failing in both RYC and in 1V. I guess the new definition of miserable failure is "help your allies successfully conquer systems and their stations."
Krall Amarr Legio Nova Invicta Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.16 16:46:00 - [56] Goons are powerful! i have fear of him, his leader Remedial fly always on Merlin (watch kb if someone not trust me ), this terrible ship is a terror of sky. i think alone goons can of course win vs LV, expecial when lose 200+ ship on one doomsday, expecial when they have lose rate of 6/1 against LV. this propaganda post are so funny, and remember LV territory still intact, u win only by use of isk (kos are not lv was only an allied, a bad allied)
Anna Fe	Posted - 2006.12.16 17:55:00 - [57] MO-MO-MONSTER TROLL!
Dayna Cifella Privateers	Posted - 2006.12.16 18:17:00 - [58] Originally by: Krall Amarr Goons are powerful! i have fear of him, his leader Remedial fly always on Merlin (watch kb if someone not trust me ), this terrible ship is a terror of sky. i think alone goons can of course win vs LV, expecial when lose 200+ ship on one doomsday, expecial when they have lose rate of 6/1 against LV. this propaganda post are so funny, and remember LV territory still intact, u win only by use of isk (kos are not lv was only an allied, a bad allied) Public forum presence, nice. But what about what's said elsewhere? Quote: Wake up to reality guys, first thing everyone should be realizing is that we lost 1v-, we aint getting it back anytime soon. the number of killmails doesnt matter a sh if we cant achieve our objectives, u can call everything bad luck or wtf u want but the fact remains the same. we are outnumbered outgunned and outposspammed. If we are gonna win the fight over 1v- and detorid (the war will come there eventually at full strength) everyone in this alliance will need to realize that atm we are getting our asses spanked. living in a fairy tale that "we r0xor and are the best noone can hurt us" is affecting our alliance negatively. If u constantly keep thinking ur the best ur gonna lose. This said there is lot of hope and we can make things happen, but it requires everyone to realize what we face here. RA havent lost single war after EVE started. So get ur ** together and start fighting. /em cough

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