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Alexander Litvinenko RedSwarm Federation	Posted - 2006.12.16 08:46:00 - [1] Greetings allies, comrades, and white flag wavers! It is a proud day for the RedSwarm Federation. We have laid down the foundation for our beautiful brotherhood. We are huger and stronger than ever, and no longer must we fear the big alliances. We would like to make our intentions clear for the entire eve-universe, but rather than type everything out, I would rather share thoughts derived directly from this evening's audio meeting with Remedial. Here is the link for your listening pleasure: Right click --> Save as As you listen, please be sure to keep your ears open for a few key points: 21:47 Remedial improves ethnic relations via the 'n-bomb'. 26:17 Goon member > Who are we not going to end up NAPÆed with? Remedial > Band of Brothers, next question? 28:07 Remedial > "As far as I know, Red Alliance is basically claiming all the complexes in the south." 29:00 Goon member > What about the new regions? Remedial > For the moment, the new regions look like a good source of income, in the future, and weÆll consider it as we move along with our relationship with LV. "Beyond Horizon says RA have no particular plans about the new regions; so donÆt worry about that." 30:00 "Zloba [RUS] is a very pro guy who is eBay-ing." Thank you, and good night. -------------------------- Chief Diplomat of RedSwarm Federation
chromer one FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.16 08:50:00 - [2] why do you have monkey in banner? are you merging with chimp?
Kerosene Caldari Fun Inc Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.16 08:54:00 - [3] I forsee a name change for the OP in the near future. Kinda sums up the alliance really... taking the mick out of dead people. No respect from me. __ Originally by: Blacklight on BoB Just to be sure everyone is clear... We use spies. We listen to your TS. We feed you false intel. We have no qualms about it whatsoever..
Fartimus Prime Fart Corp	Posted - 2006.12.16 09:05:00 - [4] Wait, let me get this straight... do you mean to tell me..... BOB AND GOON DON'T LIKE EACH OTHER???!!??!??!??!??!!
Aeon Yakati Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.16 09:18:00 - [5] Tau Ceti federation still exists?
Tao Han Caldari Earth Day Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.16 09:24:00 - [6] Originally by: chromer one why do you have monkey in banner? are you merging with chimp? Yeah isnt that the old CHIMP Chimp? Sign another petition
Anonymous Coward Gallente Panopticon Citadel	Posted - 2006.12.16 09:25:00 - [7] Edited by: Anonymous Coward on 16/12/2006 09:25:12 Some people replying to this seem to be quite dense. Should be blatantly obvious.
Stormhold FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.16 09:31:00 - [8] That chimpanzee there is so wrong in so many levels.
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.16 10:14:00 - [9] Originally by: Aeon Yakati Tau Ceti federation still exists? more than ever. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.16 10:18:00 - [10] p.s. /me is puting all primaries on a piece of paper. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
s73v3n2k Caldari UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.16 10:19:00 - [11] well all i can say is those in that convo live with their heads in the clouds. Don't join Goonswarm you will die check all the killboards - their recruiting drive should say come join us we need new players to get targeted instead of us. Oh and they tax you 15% for the privledge. You sound like your already stuggling to run and maintain your POS's - OMG!!! They are telling their members to go make isk by mining and npc'ing - that would probably explain all the raven kills the last few days. please keep doing it ..oh please. Going to build 50 dreads by march erm and ? TCF RA and Goon agree to assist if someone attacks them but not sure about IAC - if i was IAC i will tell you to go shuv it because you just said you wouldn't help them agaist ISS ...sux to be IAC RED alliance want all complexes in south - there is no suprise - the best way of making isk in the regions and RA have taken it away from you - oh this is because they sell the isk on e-bay (according to that audio). By the sounds of it your stations are already a burden to you and their is huge emphasis on getting your members to mine and NPC so you can run the POS's in what 3 station systems ? If your members go out and mine and NPC they will loose more than they will make i assure you of that. Also at the same time you want to build 50 dreads ? So you are going on a recruitment drive for members so you can make isk to fund your stations and dread building by the sounds of it. Oh lets not forget BoB are coming for you and i can't see TCF and RA getting in the way.
Anonymous Coward Gallente Panopticon Citadel	Posted - 2006.12.16 10:25:00 - [12] Edited by: Anonymous Coward on 16/12/2006 10:25:18 Originally by: s73v3n2k Oh lets not forget BoB are coming for you and i can't see TCF and RA getting in the way. Do LV/V members think that BoB is like Candyman or something? That if you keep screaming for them enough times, they'll eventually play white knight and save you? Also, I see my previous post regarding denseness is now doubly confirmed. This is obviously not a legit release, you'd think that if nothing else the eBay logo on that simian's suit would give it away.
Ras Blumin 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.16 10:25:00 - [13] Originally by: s73v3n2k ... You sure showed them who's the boss there, my good man!
Tao Han Caldari Earth Day Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.16 10:29:00 - [14] Edited by: Tao Han on 16/12/2006 10:29:37 Originally by: Anonymous Coward Edited by: Anonymous Coward on 16/12/2006 10:25:18 Originally by: s73v3n2k Oh lets not forget BoB are coming for you and i can't see TCF and RA getting in the way. Do LV/V members think that BoB is like Candyman or something? That if you keep screaming for them enough times, they'll eventually play white knight and save you? Also, I see my previous post regarding denseness is now doubly confirmed. This is obviously not a legit release, you'd think that if nothing else the eBay logo on that simian's suit would give it away. Oh yes. Like BoB and LV hasnt shot at eachother. Sign another petition
s73v3n2k Caldari UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.16 10:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Tao Han Edited by: Tao Han on 16/12/2006 10:29:37 Originally by: Anonymous Coward Edited by: Anonymous Coward on 16/12/2006 10:25:18 Originally by: s73v3n2k Oh lets not forget BoB are coming for you and i can't see TCF and RA getting in the way. Do LV/V members think that BoB is like Candyman or something? That if you keep screaming for them enough times, they'll eventually play white knight and save you? Also, I see my previous post regarding denseness is now doubly confirmed. This is obviously not a legit release, you'd think that if nothing else the eBay logo on that simian's suit would give it away. Oh yes. Like BoB and LV hasnt shot at eachother. well i am just reffering to what is being said in the audio - they seemed awfully concerned about BoB. LV can look after itself btw and Goon are certainly no threat to us we actually have negative standing to BoB but like the saying goes "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". oh and anything i say in here is totally my own opinion and not a reflection of that of my alliance of corp.
Anonymous Coward Gallente Panopticon Citadel	Posted - 2006.12.16 10:37:00 - [16] Originally by: Tao Han Oh yes. Like BoB and LV hasnt shot at eachother. I guess you've never heard the one about "the enemy of my enemy?" People don't always have to have cordial relationships to work together in a way.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.16 10:39:00 - [17] Sux, that I'm not there over chrismas. Sounds like an invitation to gank some npc'ers and miners. CTD/con-loss vs. log-out. A proposal for a fix.
Kharakan Amarr Morticus Impendium	Posted - 2006.12.16 10:40:00 - [18] Begun, the flame war has! And I can foresee a name nerf for somebody in here =/ Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari) HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
DrRockIT Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.16 12:01:00 - [19] Somehow the OPs name sounds familial to me....wasnt there a real life exccident in London not long ago where he was murdered with pollonium ? To all involved, have fun.
Envoy6	Posted - 2006.12.16 12:04:00 - [20] Edited by: Envoy6 on 16/12/2006 12:05:12 Originally by: Amerame So what ? Section XIII left RA with 100 members for a while and now RA has an allied alliance of over 1000 members. This "goon" are no threat is kinda amusing when you got blasted away of SP, your fleets were completely unable to even slightly slow down the fall of SP. The only thing that seem to keep you going is that someday BoB might come and "save" you. You forget that Goons would have no chance currently, if they were alone. The capitals came mainly from RA like most tech-2 pilots. In the beginning, the first dreads came from KIA, the goons just flooded the system with in the morning hours. Like the occasional roaming fleet from IAC arrived and usually, when there was a RAGoon OP running. In 1v it was RA, Goon, TCF. Even IMP appeared there, because 200 people weren't enough. Sorry, if it would have been Goon vs. V only, we would still hold the systems. Every fleet battle between Goon and V, V got battered, and you know it. You would only still hold systems at this point because of the lack of Goon dreads if RA/TCF/LV were all not involved. And Goon now has a modest cap fleet so you still wouldnt hold out in the long run. I personally dont see this as a damnation of V. Goon gave D2+YW and others a hard fight in cloud ring, so why V should think they could do better I dont know, you are not as good as D2. Also very funny to see LV smacking so much. Fact is the bulk of LV is made up of empire carebears recuited in recent times hence the balooning of LV's player count which ironically for all the talk of blobs is the biggest in the conflict. Many of LV's real quality pvpers left long ago, I see quite a few in corps like CELES, 0utbreak, other alliances, and corps like NEXT LEVEL is they are still going. LV/V have hardly won a fleet battle in last 2 weeks. Including fights vs soley RA, or Goons, and including fights at LV's death stars. All the LV smackers on here have hardly any entries on killboards for the conflict, while their players who are always in their fleets keep shut up on the foums. I find this very funny and revealing, especially given Nebba deletes all negative posts on the LV forums. You have to wonder at the self propaganda.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.16 12:04:00 - [21] Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/12/2006 12:09:47 Originally by: Anonymous Coward Originally by: Plutoinum Sorry, if it had been Goon alone vs. V alone, we would still hold the systems. "If it had been any different, it would have been different!" I'm sorry, I thought we were discussing reality, not pointless hypotheticals. I replied to Amerame to his 'Goon is/isn't a threat' thing. He pretended we were owned by Goons, but we were owned my the whole gang-bang party. Goons alone wouldn't have had a chance. Perhaps you should read replies in context. P.S.: But, if I ever get the chance to participate in gang-banging Goons, I'll take it. I'd ally with the devil himself for that. CTD/con-loss vs. log-out. A proposal for a fix.
Rover Vitesse Gallente FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.16 12:05:00 - [22] Originally by: Envoy6 Edited by: Envoy6 on 16/12/2006 12:04:12 Originally by: Amerame So what ? Section XIII left RA with 100 members for a while and now RA has an allied alliance of over 1000 members. This "goon" are no threat is kinda amusing when you got blasted away of SP, your fleets were completely unable to even slightly slow down the fall of SP. The only thing that seem to keep you going is that someday BoB might come and "save" you. You forget that Goons would have no chance currently, if they were alone. The capitals came mainly from RA like most tech-2 pilots. In the beginning, the first dreads came from KIA, the goons just flooded the system with in the morning hours. Like the occasional roaming fleet from IAC arrived and usually, when there was a RAGoon OP running. In 1v it was RA, Goon, TCF. Even IMP appeared there, because 200 people weren't enough. Sorry, if it would have been Goon vs. V only, we would still hold the systems. Every fleet battle between Goon and V, V got battered, and you know it. You would only still hold systems at this point because of the lack of Goon dreads if RA/TCF/LV were all not involved. And Goon now has a modest cap fleet so you still wouldnt hold out in the long run. I personally dont see this as a damnation of V. Goon gave D2+YW and others a hard fight in cloud ring, so why V should think they could do better I dont know, you are not as good as D2. Also very funny to see LV smacking so much. Fact is the bulk of LV is made up of empire carebears recuited in recent times hence the balooning of LV's player count which ironically for all the talk of blobs is the biggest in the conflict. Many of LV's real quality pvp'ers left long ago, I see quite a few in corps like CELES, 0utbreak, other alliances, and corps like NEXT LEVEL is they are still going. LV/V have hardly won a fleet battle in last 2 weeks. Including fights vs soley RA, or Goons, and including fights at LV's death stars. All the LV smackers on here have hardly any entries on killboards for the conflict, while their players who are always in their fleets keep shut up on the foums. I find this very funny and revealing, especially given Nebba deletes all negative posts on the LV forums. You have to wonder at the self propaganda. Post with your main please. Rovers Chronicles
Vestalia Gaea The Echelon	Posted - 2006.12.16 12:06:00 - [23] For choosing that name, I wish you and your corp to burn in the fires of hell for eternity! Bastards 'A disorderly mob is no more an army than a heap of building materials is a house.'
Envoy6	Posted - 2006.12.16 12:08:00 - [24] Originally by: Rover Vitesse Post with your main please. Cant Still I know whats really happening as all do who are active in this conflict. Most Red Alliance dont even speak english so if there's 1 war where forum words mean nothing its this one.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.16 12:14:00 - [25] Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/12/2006 12:27:08 Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/12/2006 12:17:36 Originally by: Envoy6 Originally by: Rover Vitesse Post with your main please. Cant Still I know whats really happening as all do who are active in this conflict. Most Red Alliance dont even speak english so if there's 1 war where forum words mean nothing its this one. The strange thing is that my respect for some enemies has grown, I even like Komolov now, he seems to be a really nice person, when he's not in propaganda mode But I can't help myself, the thing that happened in Scalding Pass really made me a life-time enemy of Goonfleet. I doubt this will ever change. I don't like to be f***** by so many people at once. /edit and if D2/the north naps the Goons like proposed on the TS-speach and even cooperates with them someday in the new regions, then they are quite lame imho ! CTD/con-loss vs. log-out. A proposal for a fix.
King Dave Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.16 12:18:00 - [26] Originally by: Envoy6 Edited by: Envoy6 on 16/12/2006 12:05:12 Originally by: Amerame So what ? Section XIII left RA with 100 members for a while and now RA has an allied alliance of over 1000 members. This "goon" are no threat is kinda amusing when you got blasted away of SP, your fleets were completely unable to even slightly slow down the fall of SP. The only thing that seem to keep you going is that someday BoB might come and "save" you. You forget that Goons would have no chance currently, if they were alone. The capitals came mainly from RA like most tech-2 pilots. In the beginning, the first dreads came from KIA, the goons just flooded the system with in the morning hours. Like the occasional roaming fleet from IAC arrived and usually, when there was a RAGoon OP running. In 1v it was RA, Goon, TCF. Even IMP appeared there, because 200 people weren't enough. Sorry, if it would have been Goon vs. V only, we would still hold the systems. ........ ........ LV/V have hardly won a fleet battle in last 2 weeks. Including fights vs soley RA, or Goons, and including fights at LV's death stars. All the LV smackers on here have hardly any entries on killboards for the conflict, while their players who are always in their fleets keep shut up on the foums. I find this very funny and revealing, especially given Nebba deletes all negative posts on the LV forums. You have to wonder at the self propaganda. 1. Between pos guns our titan and our fleet we recieved 456 kill mails in 1v- last friday night. I'm sorry, don't you count that as a win? 2. Which 'fleet fights' have you dreamt up winning? 3. This fight has been going on for almost 2 years now, so 2 weeks isnt exactly something to write home about even if it were true. Just bring it. ------------------------------- don't speak english... f1, f2, alt-q!
Aranin Amarr Dragons Of Redemption Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.16 12:18:00 - [27] Edited by: Aranin on 16/12/2006 12:18:25 ok there are a few things here that i must inform you of, as u appear to be continually making these mistakes in your announcements and accusations. Bjoern Bitter was, and has *NEVER* been the leader of TRIBAL, -V- is the first alliance that BB has lead. The leaders of TRIBAL during the war with ascn and its leadup, in chronological order were, abriana overlord -> smoke au -> Stonyvision. BB did do some small amounts of diplomatic work at the very end of tribal. BB was asked by the leader of the time - Stonyvision to attempt to come up with a diplomatic solution to the ascn invasion with only 1 week to work before the collapse of the alliance. no one can work that fast to fix problems that had been created. and as for us "breaking like a limp D*ck", we faught u off with the help of LV for over 4 months. We were fighting mostly hostile fleets of over 100 on "average" engagements and on proper fleet ops hostile fleets of 300-400. our alliance has an average fleet size of 50 + 100 with LV support. so say what u like but this will not be the end of -V-, we will only be stronger in the future. Signature removed - Filz size too large.Laurelin
Anonymous Coward Gallente Panopticon Citadel	Posted - 2006.12.16 12:22:00 - [28] Originally by: King Dave 1. Between pos guns our titan and our fleet we recieved 456 kill mails in 1v- last friday night. I'm sorry, don't you count that as a win? Killmails are meaningless.
nickycakes Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.16 12:24:00 - [29] Originally by: Anonymous Coward Originally by: King Dave 1. Between pos guns our titan and our fleet we recieved 456 kill mails in 1v- last friday night. I'm sorry, don't you count that as a win? Killmails are meaningless. easy to say when you don't get any Rarely Outnumbered, Usually Outgunned, Never Outsmacked
King Dave Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.16 12:31:00 - [30] Edited by: King Dave on 16/12/2006 12:31:34 Originally by: Anonymous Coward Originally by: King Dave 1. Between pos guns our titan and our fleet we recieved 456 kill mails in 1v- last friday night. I'm sorry, don't you count that as a win? Killmails are meaningless. When fighting goonswarm I tend to agree, but theres people in this thread saying goon are beating us in fleet battles, so it seems they want to tally up . ------------------------------- don't speak english... f1, f2, alt-q!
Reservoir Dog Free Space Tech	Posted - 2006.12.16 12:40:00 - [31] Originally by: King Dave 1. Between pos guns our titan and our fleet we recieved 456 kill mails in 1v- last friday night. I'm sorry, don't you count that as a win? You'd better read more carefully what Velios wrote on your forum. Kills means nothing when you failed to achieve your objectives. And from this point of view all fleet battles in 1v were lost by LV no matter how much uber-1337 kills you scored.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.16 12:48:00 - [32] Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/12/2006 12:48:34 Originally by: Reservoir Dog Originally by: King Dave 1. Between pos guns our titan and our fleet we recieved 456 kill mails in 1v- last friday night. I'm sorry, don't you count that as a win? You'd better read more carefully what Velios wrote on your forum. Kills means nothing when you failed to achieve your objectives. And from this point of view all fleet battles in 1v were lost by LV no matter how much uber-1337 kills you scored. Yes, true. Remember the day, when we pulled out and the last poses fell in 1v.. We cleared the station to get our pilots out, although we were already heavily outnumbered, until the next hostile fleet of like 70 pilots came in and so on. You have won the battle, but have not broken us. The more I read these threads the stronger my will grows to pay it back, better sooner than later. But I leave this thread now. I should rather spend my valuable time in-game now. CTD/con-loss vs. log-out. A proposal for a fix.
King Dave Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.16 12:49:00 - [33] Edited by: King Dave on 16/12/2006 12:54:12 Edited by: King Dave on 16/12/2006 12:49:12 Originally by: Reservoir Dog Originally by: King Dave 1. Between pos guns our titan and our fleet we recieved 456 kill mails in 1v- last friday night. I'm sorry, don't you count that as a win? You'd better read more carefully what Velios wrote on your forum. Kills means nothing when you failed to achieve your objectives. And from this point of view all fleet battles in 1v were lost by LV no matter how much uber-1337 kills you scored. Read more carefuly the thread YOU are reading right now. I quote myself from above. Originally by: King Dave When fighting goonswarm I tend to agree (that kills dont matter), but theres people in this thread saying goon are beating us in fleet battles, so it seems they want to tally up. Also, objectives and fleet battles are two different things, and we dont deny that. I'm simply countering the inane boasts that goons are beating us in 'fleet battles'. Blighmy now I know how threads like these turn into quote wars and 'but you said', 'but they said' comments. If people read what people write, then we dont have to have this boring banter. ------------------------------- don't speak english... f1, f2, alt-q!
Fartimus Prime Fart Corp	Posted - 2006.12.16 12:52:00 - [34] Originally by: King Dave 1. Between pos guns our titan and our fleet we recieved 456 kill mails in 1v- last friday night. I'm sorry, don't you count that as a win? I agree, those GOONies are probably sitting all smug in your old home system mining your old belts thinking they're cool, but it's the guys with 456 frigate kills on their killboard who will have the last laugh
King Dave Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.16 13:03:00 - [35] Originally by: Fartimus Prime Originally by: King Dave 1. Between pos guns our titan and our fleet we recieved 456 kill mails in 1v- last friday night. I'm sorry, don't you count that as a win? I agree, those GOONies are probably sitting all smug in your old home system mining your old belts thinking they're cool, but it's the guys with 456 frigate kills on their killboard who will have the last laugh I think the count was well over 100 battleships as you seem to care. As Ive said time and time again, I dont think it matters, but people in this thread are trying to say that they're beating us in fleet battles. So it seems they want to play a numbers game here. ------------------------------- don't speak english... f1, f2, alt-q!
Faith Black Minmatar Rolls Roids	Posted - 2006.12.16 13:06:00 - [36] Edited by: Faith Black on 16/12/2006 13:07:42 Edited by: Faith Black on 16/12/2006 13:06:46 Originally by: Fartimus Prime Originally by: King Dave 1. Between pos guns our titan and our fleet we recieved 456 kill mails in 1v- last friday night. I'm sorry, don't you count that as a win? I agree, those GOONies are probably sitting all smug in your old home system mining your old belts thinking they're cool, but it's the guys with 456 frigate kills on their killboard who will have the last laugh Look, I could hide and post clever comments from a 1-man corp that nobody knows, too. And I am even the main on this account and 1 year old. .... where the f... is my portrait ?
Ghost Reaper Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.16 13:13:00 - [37] "going down to LV and reminding them who the ***** is" that made me laugh Gr
Caleb Paine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.16 13:21:00 - [38] Focussed leadership and goals, appreciating effort and newer players and making sure people are able to do their thing. Sounds solid to me. -------------------------------- ISS Navy Task Force; Protecting your interest.
Amerame Section XIII	Posted - 2006.12.16 13:35:00 - [39] We're not playing counterstrike, no matter how many kills you score, if your PoSes get destroyed and systems switch sovereignty, claiming victory is at best completely ridiculous. As for those saying it was bad strontium timing, you should face the truth : not a SINGLE pos was saved starting from friday last week, no matter when or where their reinforced came out : 1v- or RYC during LV prime time or not, beside maybe you should stop making excuses, after JLO Goon wasn't supposed to get any more system, then 1v- felt : same BS, RYC felt the next day ... On the other hand, it's fine by me if you think it was just "bad luck" and you're safe, keep on doing a great job !
Klezz FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.16 13:42:00 - [40] Originally by: Amerame We're not playing counterstrike, no matter how many kills you score, if your PoSes get destroyed and systems switch sovereignty, claiming victory is at best completely ridiculous. As for those saying it was bad strontium timing, you should face the truth : not a SINGLE pos was saved starting from friday last week, no matter when or where their reinforced came out : 1v- or RYC during LV prime time or not, beside maybe you should stop making excuses, after JLO Goon wasn't supposed to get any more system, then 1v- felt : same BS, RYC felt the next day ... On the other hand, it's fine by me if you think it was just "bad luck" and you're safe, keep on doing a great job !
Archonon Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.12.16 14:06:00 - [41] Originally by: Aeon Yakati Tau Ceti federation still exists? u're changed ur tag but u're still a -v- , i.e nothing _______________________ Exitus Acta Probat
Arakk Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.16 14:07:00 - [42] Originally by: King Dave Originally by: Fartimus Prime Originally by: King Dave 1. Between pos guns our titan and our fleet we recieved 456 kill mails in 1v- last friday night. I'm sorry, don't you count that as a win? I agree, those GOONies are probably sitting all smug in your old home system mining your old belts thinking they're cool, but it's the guys with 456 frigate kills on their killboard who will have the last laugh I think the count was well over 100 battleships as you seem to care. As Ive said time and time again, I dont think it matters, but people in this thread are trying to say that they're beating us in fleet battles. So it seems they want to play a numbers game here. you know up until they lost space...KOS and -V- were rarely seen on the forums...all the while many LV pilots have been practically spammed on the forums over the last couple months... I think maybe LV should do a little less talk and a little more...you know...helping their allies keep their space. i wonder where you guys get all this time to post on the boards? i mean redswarm fleets surely cant be too hard to find seeing as theyve taken multiple regions from your coalition. then again...that could have been your intention of having them as allies anyway...amiright? i mean, youve got ascn to the west as a nice cushy bubble between you and anything dangerous in that direction...so why not form a coalition with the 2 alliances between you and redswarm? use them as a meat shield should redswarm move in, a place for them to blow isk on an invasion so by the time they get to you they have 1000 pos's to fuel. they could have lost 10,000 battleships and it doesnt make a lick of difference. you are FAILING in defending your allies. period. and they are SUCCEEDING in aiding theirs on a victorious mutually beneficial campaign. if the war ended right now...you lost. debate that, im intrigued to see the lv response...as theyre probably doing nothing to help anyone right now and spamming refresh on this thread. i'd legitimately like to see how you've won ANYTHING by losing multiple regions over the span of a few months.
Salda Smoke Hurricane	Posted - 2006.12.16 14:13:00 - [43] Originally by: Amerame As for those saying it was bad strontium timing, you should face the truth : not a SINGLE pos was saved starting from friday last week, no matter when or where their reinforced came out : 1v- or RYC during LV prime time or not, beside maybe you should stop making excuses, after JLO Goon wasn't supposed to get any more system, then 1v- felt : same BS, RYC felt the next day ... Perhaps when over half the towers in 1v- were destroyed after having less than 12 hours of stront, the -v- leadership decided to stop playing your game of pos warfare, and work a different angle? because your efforts to put down poses prior to this past week have been a slow grind.
Salda Smoke Hurricane	Posted - 2006.12.16 14:23:00 - [44] Edited by: Salda on 16/12/2006 14:25:15 Edited by: Salda on 16/12/2006 14:24:36 Originally by: Arakk Originally by: King Dave Originally by: Fartimus Prime Originally by: King Dave 1. Between pos guns our titan and our fleet we recieved 456 kill mails in 1v- last friday night. I'm sorry, don't you count that as a win? I agree, those GOONies are probably sitting all smug in your old home system mining your old belts thinking they're cool, but it's the guys with 456 frigate kills on their killboard who will have the last laugh I think the count was well over 100 battleships as you seem to care. As Ive said time and time again, I dont think it matters, but people in this thread are trying to say that they're beating us in fleet battles. So it seems they want to play a numbers game here. you know up until they lost space...KOS and -V- were rarely seen on the forums...all the while many LV pilots have been practically spammed on the forums over the last couple months... I think maybe LV should do a little less talk and a little more...you know...helping their allies keep their space. i wonder where you guys get all this time to post on the boards? i mean redswarm fleets surely cant be too hard to find seeing as theyve taken multiple regions from your coalition. then again...that could have been your intention of having them as allies anyway...amiright? i mean, youve got ascn to the west as a nice cushy bubble between you and anything dangerous in that direction...so why not form a coalition with the 2 alliances between you and redswarm? use them as a meat shield should redswarm move in, a place for them to blow isk on an invasion so by the time they get to you they have 1000 pos's to fuel. they could have lost 10,000 battleships and it doesnt make a lick of difference. you are FAILING in defending your allies. period. and they are SUCCEEDING in aiding theirs on a victorious mutually beneficial campaign. if the war ended right now...you lost. debate that, im intrigued to see the lv response...as theyre probably doing nothing to help anyone right now and spamming refresh on this thread. i'd legitimately like to see how you've won ANYTHING by losing multiple regions over the span of a few months. Are you daft? Are you even having the same argument? to sum it up Question: Who Fleets better Requirements, Definition: What is fleet combat? option A) Fleet combat is when two large groups of ships come together and do battle on a grid, with the winner being based on a combination of number/types of ships lost, and who held the field at the end/collected the loot. These generaly range 5-15 minutes option B) Fleet combat is the mobilization of forces over large periods of time(days) to complete an objective(take a station) Now, i would go with option A, option B, which you seem to argue for, would usually be called "Alliance Warfare." Fleet fights imo are the short things that happen when groups of pilots finally all warp into the same grid. So please, can we all please break out the dictionarys and have a nice flame war on the definition of a fleet?
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.16 14:31:00 - [45] Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/12/2006 14:39:19 Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/12/2006 14:33:51 Originally by: Salda Perhaps when over half the towers in 1v- were destroyed after having less than 12 hours of stront, the -v- leadership decided to stop playing your game of pos warfare, and work a different angle? Re ... wasn't happy about the 6-7 hour strontium myself, because it seemed too tight to get defense sorted out. I think I'm allowed to say that, without blaming someone, since noone knows for sure that it would have become different in the end. I remember that someone asked, why there is only 7h strontium in the pos and the answer was just: 'Then be there, when they come out of reinforcement.' Well, personally I was there in 1v- on that day and also the next day, until all poses were down. I did it for myself, so that nobody could say, you weren't there and for the other LV/V guys, who tried to hold 1v anyway and finally helped to get the last people out of the station and fought, until the end. Nevertheless I agree that a change in strategy was needed, because 1v was imho a key system and it was overrun. Imho anyone, who thinks that 1v wasn't the key system in Scalding Pass, although our main living area was in KZF/RYC/28- already, is wrong. Look where LV was based in Scalding Pass and many V still had there combat ships and you come to the concluseion, that 1v- was the military base number one there. edit: bleh, corrected some speeling and stuff CTD/con-loss vs. log-out. A proposal for a fix.
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.16 14:32:00 - [46] Originally by: Salda Originally by: Amerame As for those saying it was bad strontium timing, you should face the truth : not a SINGLE pos was saved starting from friday last week, no matter when or where their reinforced came out : 1v- or RYC during LV prime time or not, beside maybe you should stop making excuses, after JLO Goon wasn't supposed to get any more system, then 1v- felt : same BS, RYC felt the next day ... Perhaps when over half the towers in 1v- were destroyed after having less than 12 hours of stront, the -v- leadership decided to stop playing your game of pos warfare, and work a different angle? because your efforts to put down poses prior to this past week have been a slow grind. the5 style? Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.16 14:38:00 - [47] Originally by: Amerame We're not playing counterstrike, no matter how many kills you score, if your PoSes get destroyed and systems switch sovereignty, claiming victory is at best completely ridiculous. /Agreed The defenders sole purpose is to hold their ground , even if they obliterate 90% of the opposing force and lose their ground then they still LOSE ! How ever the K/L ratio only affects the proficency of each fleet and their tactics and you can debate on if they had a flawless victory or a close one or what ever but it just defines style and never the outcome of the battle. "Lord Samaiel, Rise " BNC Vs CELES Video
Heldane Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.12.16 15:12:00 - [48] Edited by: Heldane on 16/12/2006 15:12:31 Stront timing and excuses be damned. You fellas lost, pure and simple. Even with a titan and your vaunted mega-kill you still lost the system. According to reports you lost several fleet battles after the judgement. You failed to protect ANY of your allied stations and have been entirely on the defensive for months now (how many stations have redswarm lost?). Your allies are breaking and losing their homes while you contnue to sit here and brag about your killboard stats. Get a clue, you are being steamrolled and no amount of spin is going to change that. Victory is determined by results, and if merely having a higher kill/death ratio is what you consider victory then in short order you will be congratualating one another on your prowess and slapping each others backs in Jita.
Khayman33 Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.12.16 15:22:00 - [49] Originally by: s73v3n2k Originally by: Amerame Originally by: s73v3n2k Oh lets not forget BoB are coming for you and i can't see TCF and RA getting in the way. Not everyone is like LV and let their allies dies when there's trouble around. Didn't section XIII used to be members of red alliance ? Ah thats right you left when the going got tough back in march april this year. Yes to form TCF and come back to kick your ass .
Psan Vigilante Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.16 15:29:00 - [50] Originally by: Heldane Edited by: Heldane on 16/12/2006 15:12:31 Stront timing and excuses be damned. You fellas lost, pure and simple. Even with a titan and your vaunted mega-kill you still lost the system. According to reports you lost several fleet battles after the judgement. You failed to protect ANY of your allied stations and have been entirely on the defensive for months now (how many stations have redswarm lost?). Your allies are breaking and losing their homes while you contnue to sit here and brag about your killboard stats. Find us a reliable ally to put in Cache / Insmother and we'll see about taking a Goon/RA station IMO. I have to hand 1v- to goon/ra/tcf though. They truely brought down a lot of power on that system in one day. I was impressed. Hats off for losing 400+ ships and still taking 1v-. All this speculation and bull** means nothing until action starts getting taken. We'll see how it turns out then. I, personally, just wanna blow ** up - San
Unfamed II FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.16 15:35:00 - [51] Originally by: Khayman33 Originally by: s73v3n2k Originally by: Amerame Originally by: s73v3n2k Oh lets not forget BoB are coming for you and i can't see TCF and RA getting in the way. Not everyone is like LV and let their allies dies when there's trouble around. Didn't section XIII used to be members of red alliance ? Ah thats right you left when the going got tough back in march april this year. Yes to form TCF and come back to kick your ass . Yet to see you guys, except miserably failing in both RYC and in 1V. Seriously, it's not that great being an amarr, is it?
Boris Horrible British Federation Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.12.16 15:36:00 - [52] Edited by: Boris Horrible on 16/12/2006 15:37:42 Originally by: Psan Vigilante Originally by: Heldane Edited by: Heldane on 16/12/2006 15:12:31 Stront timing and excuses be damned. You fellas lost, pure and simple. Even with a titan and your vaunted mega-kill you still lost the system. According to reports you lost several fleet battles after the judgement. You failed to protect ANY of your allied stations and have been entirely on the defensive for months now (how many stations have redswarm lost?). Your allies are breaking and losing their homes while you contnue to sit here and brag about your killboard stats. Find us a reliable ally to put in Cache / Insmother and we'll see about taking a Goon/RA station IMO. I have to hand 1v- to goon/ra/tcf though. They truely brought down a lot of power on that system in one day. I was impressed. Hats off for losing 400+ ships and still taking 1v-. All this speculation and bull** means nothing until action starts getting taken. We'll see how it turns out then. I, personally, just wanna blow ** up So -V- and KOS were unreliable? As I understand it, -V-'s former home system was less than 10 jumps from the current RAGOON (Redswarm? Can someone correct me on this?) home system. Surely that is close enough from which to launch a considerable counter-offensive? It seems to me that LV now finds themselves in a quandary. To continue saying that RAGOON's efforts are of no consequence, they must admit to have neglected an ally. To say that they fully supported -V-, they must admit that RAGOON beat them in Scalding Pass. _______________ I'm an impartial observer, I merely tell it how I see it. My comments in no way are indicative of the opinions of my corporation or alliance.
Amerame Section XIII	Posted - 2006.12.16 15:52:00 - [53] Originally by: Unfamed II Yet to see you guys, except miserably failing in both RYC and in 1V. Yep, 1V- and RYC were such BIG failures.
CallMe 8675309 Gallente Truth In Advertising	Posted - 2006.12.16 16:27:00 - [54] Edited by: CallMe 8675309 on 16/12/2006 16:29:21 Edited by: CallMe 8675309 on 16/12/2006 16:28:25 Edited by: CallMe 8675309 on 16/12/2006 16:27:52 Originally by: Unfamed II Yet to see you guys, except miserably failing in both RYC and in 1V. Quote: except miserably failing in both RYC and 1V. Quote: miserably failing Quote: failing
Anonymous Coward Gallente Panopticon Citadel	Posted - 2006.12.16 16:30:00 - [55] Edited by: Anonymous Coward on 16/12/2006 16:30:44 Originally by: Unfamed II Yet to see you guys, except miserably failing in both RYC and in 1V. I guess the new definition of miserable failure is "help your allies successfully conquer systems and their stations."
Krall Amarr Legio Nova Invicta Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.16 16:46:00 - [56] Goons are powerful! i have fear of him, his leader Remedial fly always on Merlin (watch kb if someone not trust me ), this terrible ship is a terror of sky. i think alone goons can of course win vs LV, expecial when lose 200+ ship on one doomsday, expecial when they have lose rate of 6/1 against LV. this propaganda post are so funny, and remember LV territory still intact, u win only by use of isk (kos are not lv was only an allied, a bad allied)
Anna Fe	Posted - 2006.12.16 17:55:00 - [57] MO-MO-MONSTER TROLL!
Dayna Cifella Privateers	Posted - 2006.12.16 18:17:00 - [58] Originally by: Krall Amarr Goons are powerful! i have fear of him, his leader Remedial fly always on Merlin (watch kb if someone not trust me ), this terrible ship is a terror of sky. i think alone goons can of course win vs LV, expecial when lose 200+ ship on one doomsday, expecial when they have lose rate of 6/1 against LV. this propaganda post are so funny, and remember LV territory still intact, u win only by use of isk (kos are not lv was only an allied, a bad allied) Public forum presence, nice. But what about what's said elsewhere? Quote: Wake up to reality guys, first thing everyone should be realizing is that we lost 1v-, we aint getting it back anytime soon. the number of killmails doesnt matter a sh if we cant achieve our objectives, u can call everything bad luck or wtf u want but the fact remains the same. we are outnumbered outgunned and outposspammed. If we are gonna win the fight over 1v- and detorid (the war will come there eventually at full strength) everyone in this alliance will need to realize that atm we are getting our asses spanked. living in a fairy tale that "we r0xor and are the best noone can hurt us" is affecting our alliance negatively. If u constantly keep thinking ur the best ur gonna lose. This said there is lot of hope and we can make things happen, but it requires everyone to realize what we face here. RA havent lost single war after EVE started. So get ur ** together and start fighting. /em cough

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