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Brother Tycho
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.17 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Brother Tycho on 17/12/2006 11:24:15
Sorry i hit enter b4 entering the text..
Ok i just built my 8th rig and there realy quite easy for a casual mission runner to build so the prices people are trying to get for them are way way overblown.
People are still buying curcuits for 300-400k and i cant see them makeing there isk back by buiding and selling them.
I can pull around 60 parts from a easy lvl 4 mission and hundreads from bigger ones so i cant see there price tag staying in the 100 mill area for very long at all.
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.17 11:31:00 -
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So long as volumes are localised and low, the prices are determined by resellers not producers.
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Brother Tycho
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.17 11:36:00 -
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 Originally by: Avon
So long as volumes are localised and low, the prices are determined by resellers not producers.
Well if i was a reseller i would avoid rigs as there artificaly forceing up the price of items that can easly be produced by any player who cares to put time into salvageing, but i can see the price of T2 rigs sending inflation through the roof when there seeded.
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.17 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Brother Tycho
Originally by: Avon
So long as volumes are localised and low, the prices are determined by resellers not producers.
Well if i was a reseller i would avoid rigs as there artificaly forceing up the price of items that can easly be produced by any player who cares to put time into salvageing, but i can see the price of T2 rigs sending inflation through the roof when there seeded.
We had one go for 140m tonight, not a bad showing with about an hour of work  .
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Fuujin
Hadean Drive Yards
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Posted - 2006.12.17 11:43:00 -
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I had a good laugh when i saw the prices earlier. I'll just build them myself and save the 100s of millions, thanks.
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ToxicFire
Warlords Corp
The Core Collective
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Posted - 2006.12.17 11:43:00 -
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Who say's they're overpriced, considering we have no recognised based price and the market is still settling after introduction and salavage is still been tweaked. Esstentially the price is still up in the air, and frankly people have the wrong attitude towards rigs, there seeing them more as modules when in reality they are basicly implants for ships and should follow the implant price model
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Brother Tycho
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.17 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: ToxicFire
Who say's they're overpriced, considering we have no recognised based price and the market is still settling after introduction and salavage is still been tweaked. Esstentially the price is still up in the air, and frankly people have the wrong attitude towards rigs, there seeing them more as modules when in reality they are basicly implants for ships and should follow the implant price model
Im saying there overpriced and anyone foolish enough to pay currant prices should get there head checked ppl need to be made aware that with a little effort on there part they can build there own at a fraction of the cost.
And they are just like any other ship module you lose them when your ship goes boom.
One thing i will agree on is the fact that something is worth what ever someone else is willing to pay it.
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Dumus
Silver Service
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Posted - 2006.12.17 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: ToxicFire
frankly people have the wrong attitude towards rigs, there seeing them more as modules when in reality they are basicly implants for ships and should follow the implant price model
 Sorry m8 your wrong! They were meant to be cheap and plentiful to allow more diverse ship setups. They are nothing like implants and should not be priced as such. When they become more plentiful expect a huge price drop. Till then I wont be buying any as they are stupid prices.
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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.12.17 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dumus
Sorry m8 your wrong! They were meant to be cheap and plentiful to allow more diverse ship setups. They are nothing like implants and should not be priced as such. When they become more plentiful expect a huge price drop. Till then I wont be buying any as they are stupid prices.
Exactly.
Read the backstory, they're crap thrown together from old circuit boards and bits of wiring, basically junk that's been tossed together to form a purpose. They're designed to be cheap and cheerful but get the job done, the prices are stupid imo... will just have to start building them myself. Watch my post history as I might be selling cheap guys. 
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari
Kemono.
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Posted - 2006.12.17 12:06:00 -
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i just hope that rig proces will come down
cos atm rigs looks like worst idea ever
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Hohenheim OfLight
Pegasus Mining and Securities
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.12.17 12:11:00 -
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I think the biggest thing in the way of rigs is the fact that you need stuff rom two dif regions to make them, Not every 0.0 alliance controles enuth space to ahve two dif regions and so production of certian rigs is much harder than others.
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Caol
The Nest
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.17 12:13:00 -
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I think Avon has hit the nail on the head, but its still early days and habits take time to change. For instance, how many people actually looted every can of loot, be they mission runner or ratter, before rig introduction? The BPO's are cheap, drop rate has increased if you don't like the prices now or in the future build them yourself or don't buy them.
Looting and salavaging every wreck slows a mission runners isk/hour substantially, however for the current prices its well worth doing and reselling. End of the day, prices will be what people think they can get for them + a dose of inflation.
You should really be moaning about t2 rigs and the lack thereof.
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.12.17 12:20:00 -
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Rig drop rates have certainly been upped a lot from what I'm hearing, so I suspect that we need to give the markets some time now to see if the prices will come down.
I think the major point is, it's now foreseeable that people will be building them rather then looking at the 1 part every few wrecks and thinking "64? WTF?".
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.17 12:20:00 -
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You can build one yourself, but what you're paying for right now is opportunity costs mainly. People that actually have the skills and interest to collect the parts and build them so you, who want a rig, don't have to, and since there's not a lot of people that are doing this and selling publicly, the high prices occur.
It'll deflate in due time however, so if you want them, be patient.
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Medical One
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Posted - 2006.12.17 12:27:00 -
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Personally I dont think the parts should drop as plentiful in high sec (missions or belts) those that salvage in .0 should get most of the reward.
And people can say what they want but those rigs die when ships die, last time I checks ships die a awful lot in eve high and low sec, so theres a WHOLE lot of salvaging that needs to be done to keep up with the need. So we'll see if prices do come down (tho i doubt it) I dont see a problem with the prices, if you want a rig go salvage the parts if you dont wanna pay its that simple.
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2006.12.17 12:28:00 -
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I sold over 1000 salvage units for 200k a unit.
I could not be stuffed selling them on a under priced market.
so I made 200m. that would land someone 2 rigs maybe.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2006.12.17 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
So long as volumes are localised and low, the prices are determined by resellers not producers.
and you have been playing this game for.... how long?
now, with contracting, even the least mercantile player must understand, that the price is determined on the consumer's side. the resellers just have to sell smart enough and estimate the best possible price the guys with with money are willing to pay. if anything is too cheap, it either doesn't get built anymore or supplies last less than one weekend.
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Fanjita
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Posted - 2006.12.17 12:31:00 -
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well four of my ships now have a full set of rigs all built by myself and all technically free as i salvaged all the bits for them anyone buying them off the market for more than 30 mill for the best ones is a complete and utter idiot.
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
All the things she said
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Posted - 2006.12.17 12:36:00 -
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Funny.
Last thing i did last night before i hit the door... sold all my circuits.
Normaly i don't bowl away anything that iv'e spent time collecting with the intention to use/build myself.
Was just too much to resist doing it, 300 million something i pulled, just filling buy orders.
Id have kicked myself if i hadn't, the fact that it's only looting at the end of the day... and only about 2 days worth at that... 300 million worth of loot...
Marv.
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Kunming
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.17 12:40:00 -
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The sad thing is some ships only function well with the proper rigs fitted to them, with rigs not being easily available on the market those ships are left in shadow!
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Brother Tycho
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.17 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
Funny.
Last thing i did last night before i hit the door... sold all my circuits.
Normaly i don't bowl away anything that iv'e spent time collecting with the intention to use/build myself.
Was just too much to resist doing it, 300 million something i pulled, just filling buy orders.
Id have kicked myself if i hadn't, the fact that it's only looting at the end of the day... and only about 2 days worth at that... 300 million worth of loot...
Marv.
Yeah exactly what ive done with my surplus stock theres some poor guy buying rig parts for 300k withought takeing into acount the fact you can salvage 20-25 from a npc bs and around 10-15 from a cruiser,
these guys putting out buy orders for rig parts are throwing there isk away but there the same guys who are asking for 140 mil for built rigs and now theres channels poping up for rig swapping as well.
I tend to agree that rig drop rates in 0.0 are a little low in relation to empire but they shouldent reduce empire drop rate but increse 0.0 drops.
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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Brother Tycho
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.17 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming
The sad thing is some ships only function well with the proper rigs fitted to them, with rigs not being easily available on the market those ships are left in shadow!
I whole heartedly agree since i fitted rigs to my abaddon to overcome its cap limmitations ive been cruiseing through missions withought the slightest effort on my part.
I can imagine the same is true for all the new teir 3 battleships they all seem to sacrafice sustainablity for damage and tanking but these disadvantages can be negated through carfull rig use.
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Gonada
Gallente
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.12.17 14:05:00 -
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rig drop rates have increased greatly
fairly easy to build rigs now
so whats your whine?
your too lazy to do some PVE to get some?
and btw lowsec/0.0 npc drops seems to give way better salvage loot.
if your just waiting for rigs to drop, then you deserve to pay the inflated prices.
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Brother Tycho
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.17 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada
rig drop rates have increased greatly
fairly easy to build rigs now
so whats your whine?
your too lazy to do some PVE to get some?
and btw lowsec/0.0 npc drops seems to give way better salvage loot.
if your just waiting for rigs to drop, then you deserve to pay the inflated prices.
Read through the topic before posting you have missed the piont totaly.
Im imforming people of rigs ease of construction disproportinate price tag not the other way round.
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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Rab
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Posted - 2006.12.17 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Brother Tycho
Read through the topic before posting you have missed the piont totaly.
Im imforming people of rigs ease of construction disproportinate price tag not the other way round.
The great thing about this open market is if its disproportionately easy, then the herds of people making them will try and sell for the disproportionately high prices until they flood the market and prices drop. Publishing your opinion on it tends to suggest some frustration that natural balancing is happening too slowly for you.
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Iyanah
Minmatar
Mining Munitions and Mayhem
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Posted - 2006.12.17 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Brother Tycho
Originally by: Avon
So long as volumes are localised and low, the prices are determined by resellers not producers.
Well if i was a reseller i would avoid rigs as there artificaly forceing up the price of items that can easly be produced by any player who cares to put time into salvageing, but i can see the price of T2 rigs sending inflation through the roof when there seeded.
welcome to the free-market economy powered by supply and demand.
supply = low
demand = high
price = stupidly high.
untill the demand lowers and the supply increases, this is the world we live in. deal with it. and since you're making rigs, cash in.
i wanted to make rigs before the patch to fix salvage. i had a fair few circuits. you know what happened? i sold them all the day before the patch for 1/2 a million each, then on patch day saw the price drop to 100/200k and was glad i could make me come proffit due to utilising my knowledge of supply and demand.
go forth, and take advantage of the sellers' market, my friend :D
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Gonada
Gallente
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.12.17 14:29:00 -
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Read through the topic before posting you have missed the piont totaly.
Im imforming people of rigs ease of construction disproportinate price tag not the other way round.
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I did, and why are you complaining that there are stupoid people out there that are willing to pay high prices for things?
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Brother Tycho
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.17 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada
Read through the topic before posting you have missed the piont totaly.
Im imforming people of rigs ease of construction disproportinate price tag not the other way round.
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I did, and why are you complaining that there are stupoid people out there that are willing to pay high prices for things?
It leads to more stupid people doing more of the same untill it gets to the piont where you see people crying on the forums that they threw away all there isk in the salvage buying wars a few weeks down the line.
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2006.12.17 14:51:00 -
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well.. so basically, we all agree on the basics here.. where's the problem?
rigs are new, rigs are shiny, (some/most) rigs are powerful - everybody could use them and noone (well... just a handful) has them yet. the first ones appeared roughly two weeks ago and you can't expect the whole playerbase to be covered all at once. *shrug*
same happened to tier3 ships and nobody was surprised there, either. just that the rig ingredients hadn't been piled up in advance
i find the psyche behind covetor prices in comparison to their mineral cost much more interesting....
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Brother Tycho
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.17 15:04:00 -
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The number of times this topic has been viewed would gives me hope that the massage is getting out.
Hopefully prices will stablize sooner rather than later and we can get some kind of idea of there true value.
One of the side effects of currant rig prices is a insaine boost to risk free income, im not a force all carebears into low sec person but to much isk being freely made is bad for inflation.
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