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Ama invo	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:45:00 - [1] ...And I will not play on. Or check up on this post for that matter. I'd like to say, that I think the game has the most amasing graphics ever, and it could really be a good game. But the simple commands and the interface of the game makes me give up. I simply can't handle all those small annoying things, when I'm playing a game, as proffesional as this one. You'd exspect it from a simple game, but EVE should't be made this way There's no point in being able to open windows you already have on your interface eg. opening your own cargo twice The market is HUGE and interesting, but as a new player I never learned what to buy nor what skills to learn or why i picked those "stats" in willpower and the others - there are just too many options and too little guiding To have to fly 4 jumps to get your first new ship bores me (20 minutes of auto-pilot flying) I haven't figured out where I am. The map is huge and almost impossible to understand. I can't use the names on the map for much, when I have no idea what they mean. I don't know why I wrote this... I guess it frustrates me not to be able find the real fun of a game just because of a strange/bad way of controlling the game. I'll go play a nice game of DotA The Invoker
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:46:00 - [2] Dude, you can't play this game with that stupid nostromo remote thing. This isn't WOW. You need to use your head. It takes a while to pick up but this game is OMG so worth it. I hope you'll read this and continue playing, realizing that people such as myself LOVE THE GAME for the INTUITIVE interface and control set, but whine at CCP on a regular basis for a LACK OF DRONE KEYBOARD COMMANDS!
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:48:00 - [3] Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't.
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.17 20:57:00 - [4] Edited by: Ithildin on 17/12/2006 20:58:28 Ok, you wrote that you won't read up on this post, but I'll give it a shot anyway in case someone else with similar problems comes along. Map. * First and foremost, make sure all labels and landmarks are removed. They're there for the one who wants to be RP-aware, not for those of us who want to use the map. * You will want to show all lines. * Colouring of stars is most commonly chosen as either security status or as Statistics > People in space. * FLATTEN MAP. That way it's always turned and aligned the same way! Suddenly you can start orient with the map. Travel. * When getting a new ship or what not, use a shuttle. It's got enough space for a single item (two if you are lucky), so use it well. I recommend nanofibers or an afterburner/microwarpdrive. * Moving four jumps manually takes about four minutes in a battleship, half that time in a shuttle. Add to that times to load gates etc. * The map is critically missing the "AVOID JITA!" setting on autopilot, sadly. Now, I don't understand what Ama invo meant by "opening things that is already on your interface". Skills. * The best program ever is EVEMon. Get it and browse by equipment. It'll help you plan what skills you want. * Attributes determine how fast you train skills of different kinds. Perception for combat, intelligence for engineering and electronics, memory for production, and charisma for leadership. Willpower is used as a secondary attribute for combat and leadership. Charisma and Willpower can be considered "dump stats" (attributes you have only because you have to) New player experience. It's long, it's extensive, and I have no experience with it at all. I learnt the hard way back when the new player experience took 4-5 minutes and barely taught you how to set destination with autopilot. Best bet is to sit in help channels and ask whatever you want to know. There's bound to be bored vets in there answering questions left and right. Last but not least. Join a corporation. Having friends is the best thing ever! - EVE is sick.
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:14:00 - [5] Edited by: Letouk Mernel on 17/12/2006 21:15:19 I agree, some of the interface is really annoying and badly designed. Especially with the way information is presented to you. My pet peeves are: - no floating or scrolling text messages, crappy log interface, aggression timers aren't logged. - no detailed info about what kind of damage is being done to you. - needlessly wordy "x does y damage" messages. - lack of keyboard control for vital actions in-game. - bugs with cargo hold, cargo cans, and various windows and how they stack/remember positions. - cannot move the overview, cannot move the default targets area, cannot move the HUD circle, cannot make the toolbar horizontal at the bottom, cannot rearrange the in-station UI so it takes less space. - chat windows freeze the entire client when resized. Market freezes the entire client while it updates. - calculator that's a pain in the butt because you lose focus from it and start typing your numbers in the local chat window. - bugs with the map, and annoying animations with the map - connection to server times out if you take too long in character creation, thereby crashing your client just as you finish, forcing you to start all over again.
darklegionca Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:50:00 - [6] yay 1 less whiner and 1 less person to make us lag..... oh yes please make sure to give us your isk and stuff before you leave and have fun in wow be sure to ask mommie if your allowed to pvp ------------------------------------ darklegionca - One name. One legend.
K1K1R1K1 Team Machine Incorporated	Posted - 2006.12.18 00:08:00 - [7] He'll be back... I was the exact same way on my first run at eve (2 years ago). The game was confusing as sh# to say the least. Couldn't figure out where i was, what i was flying, what to buy, what to train, what stats to get, etc. I got blow up one too many times by pies, got ***ed, uninstalled and got back to playing ut2k4. A year later i tried the trial again... I'm hooked. _______________________________________ Don't worry aboutit.
darklegionca Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.12.18 00:10:00 - [8] Originally by: K1K1R1K1 He'll be back... I was the exact same way on my first run at eve (2 years ago). The game was confusing as sh# to say the least. Couldn't figure out where i was, what i was flying, what to buy, what to train, what stats to get, etc. I got blow up one too many times by pies, got ***ed, uninstalled and got back to playing ut2k4. A year later i tried the trial again... I'm hooked. i was confused with the game at first as well as its a new game but i stuck with it as i dont quit but i learned the game fast and now im showing people who have been playing since 2003 stuff they didnt even rember or know ------------------------------------ darklegionca - One name. One legend.
Soporo	Posted - 2006.12.18 00:10:00 - [9] Well I can sympathise a bit, at least about the charracter generation and just "not knowing"... But tbh, posts like this describe why the WOW'sers will never make this a full time game and ruin it for the rest of us by shere vollume. Knew a dude who was a nice kid, but he had the attention span of a goldfish seemed like.He left EVE shorlty after trying it out. It was all about instant gratification I guess. He WANTED to do things, just couldnt be bothered to deal with the logistics and the complexity. Give him 5 years and he might be back if EVE is still around. If he IS still reading this post I would suggest he contact someone like my Corp who are n00b friendly.
Rhedea Final Crusade Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.18 01:19:00 - [10] ya I quit two times as well, at the beginning crash crash crash, I missed RMR after I lost my BS cruiser in a week. Sometimes you just need to step back and regroup. This time I'm really am going to try doing missions, maybe. Hunter~Trader~Thug
Rafein Eye of God	Posted - 2006.12.18 01:22:00 - [11] What can I say, Eve is Darwinism at it's Best. Only the strong Survive.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.12.18 01:26:00 - [12] IMHO. To WANT to play this game as a newcomer, you NEED friends to help you along the way. Otherwise, you are left going "WTF?" ...Of course, I think this is a good thing because it is our automatic weeding system ~~~~~~~~~ Caldari. It's so easy a Minmatar could do it.
Lord Rah 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.12.18 01:42:00 - [13] Perhaps this game isn't for you. You may be looking for something else. You didn't say thank you once to CCP for giving you a free game, or this community before you started. Its self centered and loaded with disrespect. You shoot down something you don't like when it was a free gift, and other people obviously don't agree with you to begin with, otherwise they wouldn't be here. Its just a low blow on your part, and I look at it as good riddance.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.12.18 01:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Lord Rah You didn't say thank you once to CCP for giving you a free game, or this community before you started. Its self centered and loaded with disrespect. You shoot down something you don't like when it was a free gift, and other people obviously don't agree with you to begin with, otherwise they wouldn't be here. Its just a low blow on your part, and I look at it as good riddance. Okay, first of all dude... You are making mountains out of mole hills. Eve is VERY tough to get into without friends guiding you through it or you spamming the help channel. To do either of those things you really have to possess a strong desire to want to play EVE to begin with. EVE is not the type of game that draws you in with ultra exciting things to do in the first day like other games. You don't come away from your first 2 days of eve to say "DAMN THAT WAS FUN!". Its more like, "hmm this game is interesting and has serious potential, I think I'll give it a chance". People that don't give it the chance don't deserve to be heckled out. However, it is good to know that most of the people playing EVE are playing it because they find it challenging, interesting, and different than any other game in the world. Also the reason why we have one of the oldest average age groups playing a game in history. ~~~~~~~~~ Caldari. It's so easy a Minmatar could do it.
Roy Batty68	Posted - 2006.12.18 01:53:00 - [15] Originally by: Azerrad InExile Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't. I feel like a nut quite a bit. My wife on the other hand... Originally by: Big Al Well, if there was a law against stupidity, the server would certainly lag less.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.12.18 01:55:00 - [16] Originally by: Roy Batty68 Originally by: Azerrad InExile Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't. I feel like a nut quite a bit. My wife on the other hand... Invite me over, she'll feel like a few ~~~~~~~~~ Caldari. It's so easy a Minmatar could do it.
Lord Rah 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.12.18 01:56:00 - [17] Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO Okay, first of all dude... You are making mountains out of mole hills. Eve is VERY tough to get into without friends guiding you through it or you spamming the help channel. To do either of those things you really have to possess a strong desire to want to play EVE to begin with. EVE is not the type of game that draws you in with ultra exciting things to do in the first day like other games. You don't come away from your first 2 days of eve to say "DAMN THAT WAS FUN!". Its more like, "hmm this game is interesting and has serious potential, I think I'll give it a chance". People that don't give it the chance don't deserve to be heckled out. However, it is good to know that most of the people playing EVE are playing it because they find it challenging, interesting, and different than any other game in the world. Also the reason why we have one of the oldest average age groups playing a game in history. I'm really sorry its not working out for this player, becuase a bigger community is sometimes a better community. If he changes his mind maybe he can give it another shot. Browse around this site for a few days and learn about some of the things you need. Buy the skills on the market and do some missions one after another. Ask questions before you get frustrated too much. To influence the OP to stay after he already said he's not even coming back to read this thread, that would seem desperate. I had a trial account and have only been here for less than a month, I found a great corp, found the skills on the market, and I found the tutorial VERY helpful.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.12.18 02:00:00 - [18] Originally by: Lord Rah Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO Okay, first of all dude... You are making mountains out of mole hills. Eve is VERY tough to get into without friends guiding you through it or you spamming the help channel. To do either of those things you really have to possess a strong desire to want to play EVE to begin with. EVE is not the type of game that draws you in with ultra exciting things to do in the first day like other games. You don't come away from your first 2 days of eve to say "DAMN THAT WAS FUN!". Its more like, "hmm this game is interesting and has serious potential, I think I'll give it a chance". People that don't give it the chance don't deserve to be heckled out. However, it is good to know that most of the people playing EVE are playing it because they find it challenging, interesting, and different than any other game in the world. Also the reason why we have one of the oldest average age groups playing a game in history. I'm really sorry its not working out for this player, becuase a bigger community is sometimes a better community. If he changes his mind maybe he can give it another shot. Browse around this site for a few days and learn about some of the things you need. Buy the skills on the market and do some missions one after another. Ask questions before you get frustrated too much. Not everyone has the patience for that my friend. 90% of gamers play a game for instant gratification. A kick. EVE doesn't provide that right off the bat. Like you said, its something you have to search for, etc. I think the first 'kick' I got from EVE was when I openned the map and saw all that space, then selected "Show players" and saw where all the people were. Second kick was openning the market, selecting browse and 'show all items'. However, a kick for me = boring for others. ~~~~~~~~~ Caldari. It's so easy a Minmatar could do it.
Lord Rah 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.12.18 02:04:00 - [19] Edited by: Lord Rah on 18/12/2006 02:04:43 Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO I think the first 'kick' I got from EVE was when I openned the map and saw all that space, then selected "Show players" and saw where all the people were. Second kick was openning the market, selecting browse and 'show all items'. Same here
VeniVici	Posted - 2006.12.18 04:05:00 - [20] What's encouraging though is that the new skill point system seems to be really productive in retaining new players. The largest hurdle in Eve is the interface and introducing users to the multi-dimensional interactions. Frankly I would never have played Eve if I didn't decide to read and research the many aspects of Eve outside of the game. It's really silly that there's no guidance to new players about the relative importance of attributes, or even letting them browse skill groups in game to get a better feel for where they're going. On top of that the fact that better shortcutting isn't available to such a rich UI is rather disturbing. Then again I can't wait until CCP changes all of this, and ends up costing existing users months of subscription time.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.12.18 04:13:00 - [21] How to get new players to stay? Aura: I am a neural net cpu, you are a n00b. Listen to me for the next 4yrs and you might learn something. blah blah blah Tutorial Ends Here is the URL to the EVE-O forums and the newbie help section. Go there and ask questions. This is the newbie help channel, go there and ask thousands of questions until you feel you are uber enough to undock. I know there are volunteers for the help channel, but have you ever been on it? It is fracking ridiculous how many questions go un-answered. Give me 10 newbs to the game each week on a private chat and I'll teach them the basics. Off that I'll draw up a FAQ that I can access, host on my website and copy and paste when they ask a certain question. Just make a FAQ readily available and it would help so many new players out. ~~~~~~~~~ Caldari. It's so easy a Minmatar could do it.
Juranth Narath Amarr Harvest System	Posted - 2006.12.18 04:47:00 - [22] The big reason I subscribed to EVE after one day of playing, is because I instantly recognized it's completely different departure from the MMO genre. I was getting pretty bored of the normal "Kill copious amounts of small, furry creatures and bandits in the forest, gain xp, level up, grab new spells, repeat" style of World of Warcraft and games of its ilk(note: I think WoW is still a good game, but it's nothing new under the sun). EVE is much more player oriented, what with the best PVP and guild system I've seen out there. Corporations are much more involving than guilds are in most MMO's, because they actually behave like real corporations, what with making money, setting up outposts in remote regions of space(not just pvp'ing instances like WoW) that actually mean something, and going to epik war with other corporations. In my opinion, you should maybe give EVE a bit longer to grow on you, since it's not really a game that'll blow you away from the very beginning. It takes time and patience to get to the really good stuff, and that feels refreshing. --- Insert witty comment here.
Xemis Caldari The Peoples Republic of Power	Posted - 2006.12.18 06:45:00 - [23] OMG i dont understand life. I give up!!! /me pulls out a shotgun ------------------------------------------------- Long Range
Frug Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.18 06:52:00 - [24] The interface is garbage. But seriously, stop crying because you're lost. Oh no! I'm lost in a big bad universe and I'm crying and please help me and hold my hand! You ain't capsuleer material Joe. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - -
Xemis Caldari The Peoples Republic of Power	Posted - 2006.12.18 06:55:00 - [25] Play WoW Please copy/paste this to all idoits who arent intellegent enough to play this game. ------------------------------------------------- Long Range
Bigoleed	Posted - 2006.12.18 06:56:00 - [26] this game takes focus - it takes a long time to understand the basics - and longer to master. I guess that is why it is overall - an "older gamers" game. Well worth it for those who want to do more than bash pixels.
Rey Xavier Gallente Bluestar Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.18 09:19:00 - [27] Hm, new player myself. IMHO you should try out EVEMon. After understanding how the attributes work you might (at least I did so) get that you screwed up your char anyways ( high charisma :p ). Get another trial, make another char and find a nice corp. If you still don't like it after the trial run out and despite nice guildmates - play something else. =============================== insert nerfed footer here Bluestar Enterprises Ihr pers÷nliches Kreditinstitut
The Snowman Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.12.18 09:46:00 - [28] He's right though! I've been MMO game playing for over 7 years and have a huge amount of friends all over the world who play many different MMO's, With the excption of a few most of those who play the Eve trial dont end up subscribing. The new player experience is bad, the tutorial is a joke and doesnt really give you an idea or a sense of direction. You pretty much have to learn about EVERYTHING yourself by spending hours asking questions or researching websites.. Even the games own web-site has very very little in the way of comprehensive guides. Personally, I hate to just give up, I realised at the end the trial that I had only scratched the surface and continued based mainly on my natural curiosity (and a good friendship with some veterans) Even after a year of coming and going and having only about 4/5 months play time experience I still struggle to find motivation to play eve.. still most things remain a mystery to me, grinding missions is about all I can do. I keep coming back in hope that something will click and I see the game as others do. I respect the OP for at least making the effort to post.. so many hundreds of players dont even bother! and I truly hope CCP take note, there are so many of my friends who I know would love the game.. but they just cant get over the new player experience, it takes alot of work, effort and patience - But why would any typical gamer want that? <------------> Poker RPG 60 jumps 'Flop' by..
Aphotic Raven Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.18 09:48:00 - [29] Dear devs, please fix drones. That and just remove charisma from the game... or put a MASSIVE ASS warning on it in char selection... and dont let people add points to it... they're just gimping themselves unknowingly. Quote: Melicien Tetro: I tried to fight a shark with a pistol underwater once, and I'll be **ed if he didn't laugh at me and eat me. Sharks need a ***** nerf. True story
Lamentation	Posted - 2006.12.18 09:56:00 - [30] Originally by: Xemis Play WoW Please copy/paste this to all idoits who arent intellegent enough to play this game. Xemis you make it sound like you take it personal, there's no need to go call people idiots just because they don't enjoy the game. Your post makes YOU look like an idiot, not the people who take their time to give feedback on what they think is bad in game.

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