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Susitna	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:18:00 - [31] I am a new player. I started about a week ago and I am having a lot of fun. I intend to pay for a 6 month sub. I do agree with much of what the OP stated though. The tutorial is pretty bad and the rookie help channel is not much help. The rookie channel scrolls too fast with a lot of out of topic BS. The game has the hardest learning curve of any RPG I have seen. I played, EQ DAOC and WOW. This game looks much harder but it also looks richer in charecter devlopment and world interation. Yes I have had frustrations and struggeled with the interface and asked a ton of questions. But I still like the game. It looks to have a lot of potential and I suspect it will be worth the effort to learn how to play it.
Kaiu Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:36:00 - [32] EVE isnt a game its a Universe Its deep, complex, interesting and fulfilling... Its not a theme-park WoW stylie It DOES NOT hold your hand Go play WoW and have fun ____________________ MOGarmy
Ysolde Xen Minmatar Liberal Trading Co Electus Matari	Posted - 2006.12.18 11:21:00 - [33] Eve, as almost any other game, isn't for everyone. It caters to a different audience compared to DAoC or WoW. Some people just don't get on with the long term steep learning curve of EVE and would rather play something with instant gratification. That doesn't make them stupid, that makes them people unlikely to find EVE to be their game and perhaps they should look at game with less complexity and more instant action like City of Villains. I just wish to all the Gods that some of the EVE community could get this through their thick skulls and not just trot out the standard 'you don't like EVE therefore you must be a stupid WoWer'. EVE is my top game but sometimes it's community disgusts me. ----- It's not a crap ship, you're just flying it all wrong.
Johnny Gurkha Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.12.18 11:23:00 - [34] Edited by: Johnny Gurkha on 18/12/2006 11:32:58 Edited by: Johnny Gurkha on 18/12/2006 11:32:10 Edited by: Johnny Gurkha on 18/12/2006 11:24:44 I'm a new player, 2 days today and I'm loving it. I'm also an Elite / Elite II Vet from the 80's/90's so it came pretty easily to me :) Great job CCP I can't imagine the logistics and technical expertise required to get a game as immense as this working let alone running smoothly! After the bug ridden expensive crap that I have just left behind - Entropia Universe, Eve is a refreshing change.... ps 1st forum post too, how do I show my avatar picture?
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:35:00 - [35] Most fun I've ever had in Eve was my first week. ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:39:00 - [36] Originally by: Johnny Gurkha ps 1st forum post too, how do I show my avatar picture? You cant, but they are working on giving everyone faces... there is a blog about it. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
XenoPagan	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:52:00 - [37] Edited by: XenoPagan on 18/12/2006 12:51:57 Weird how some people react on the unknown. I just loved my first 2 weeks- everything was so new and huge. Felt like a grain in the sandbox. Well, still feeling the same way (been playing for approx 4 months) but universe is not totally a black hole for me anymore and thats a shame.
Horus Dark	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:10:00 - [38] i play the game for about 3 weeks now. I played a week in 2004....got overwhelmed and quit. Stuff is making more sence to me now. bad: - Yes the interface is rubish and should be custimizable. - The lag can be rubbish. - The communcity of pvp oriented games are often harsh. I often feel like playing counterstrike. vetrans cant get enough of hearing themself talking. and the "me uber, you noob" kinda talk is part of everday life. Good - The imense universe is cool. - The ammount of players on one server is cool. - Space battles ftw. - The ecconamy is far more alive then any game i have seen. - You have many options as to what to do (trade/mine/pvp/missions/manucature/ratting/salvaging/exploring) rather then hack mobs for xp or cash. bad and good at once :) : But what i both love and hate is the skillpoint system. I love that its wide and takes along time so you can set yourself aside from other players. What i kinda regret is that i cannot fasten the procces by investing more time into eve. If i play 10 mins a day or 12hours my skill points dont move faster. I want to pvp but i will have to wait months b4 i actualy make a chance....while i dont realy mind that it takes long its a shame that people who play 10% of the hours that i play. will go as fast as me with skillpoints.
Hotice	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:22:00 - [39] Originally by: Horus Dark i play the game for about 3 weeks now. I played a week in 2004....got overwhelmed and quit. Stuff is making more sence to me now. bad: - Yes the interface is rubish and should be custimizable. - The lag can be rubbish. - The communcity of pvp oriented games are often harsh. I often feel like playing counterstrike. vetrans cant get enough of hearing themself talking. and the "me uber, you noob" kinda talk is part of everday life. Good - The imense universe is cool. - The ammount of players on one server is cool. - Space battles ftw. - The ecconamy is far more alive then any game i have seen. - You have many options as to what to do (trade/mine/pvp/missions/manucature/ratting/salvaging/exploring) rather then hack mobs for xp or cash. bad and good at once :) : But what i both love and hate is the skillpoint system. I love that its wide and takes along time so you can set yourself aside from other players. What i kinda regret is that i cannot fasten the procces by investing more time into eve. If i play 10 mins a day or 12hours my skill points dont move faster. I want to pvp but i will have to wait months b4 i actualy make a chance....while i dont realy mind that it takes long its a shame that people who play 10% of the hours that i play. will go as fast as me with skillpoints. In eve, unlike in other games, you level your wallet size instead with your time. More time you spent, more money you earn. Skills training is just that and will take it's time. just don't spread out your training too wide. Focus on one path and stay on it while you make money to support the future expense. Trust me, you will need the time to build up your wallet. That is actually the fun part about this game. Once you've well established, the game will start to become boring. The early days are the best time for me.
Cryus Aphax In The Face Productions	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:26:00 - [40] Originally by: Horus Dark I want to pvp but i will have to wait months b4 i actualy make a chance....while i dont realy mind that it takes long its a shame that people who play 10% of the hours that i play. will go as fast as me with skillpoints. Agony Unleashed used to run PvP classes for new players. I'm not sure if they still do but check them out in game.
Asha'Lil Minmatar The Black Fleet	Posted - 2006.12.18 13:50:00 - [41] Edited by: Asha''Lil on 18/12/2006 13:51:29 My first run at EVE ever... I purchased a Shuttle and stopped playing because I couldn't put weapons on it. i didn't understand how it all worked... Now Ive got 3 accounts 3 years latter and i'm living strong in EVE. Take the time to ask around. This game has a very strong learning cervs(sp?) one the of the hardest I've ever played. And I've spent 17 out of my 20 years playing games I miss my first few trail accounts and the time I spent on them. I loved being amazed at every thing I saw. __________________________________ Stay still! This wont hurt... Yarr!
Valrandir Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.18 15:36:00 - [42] Originally by: Ama invo ...And I will not play on. Or check up on this post for that matter. I'd like to say, that I think the game has the most amasing graphics ever, and it could really be a good game. But the simple commands and the interface of the game makes me give up. I simply can't handle all those small annoying things, when I'm playing a game, as proffesional as this one. You'd exspect it from a simple game, but EVE should't be made this way There's no point in being able to open windows you already have on your interface eg. opening your own cargo twice The market is HUGE and interesting, but as a new player I never learned what to buy nor what skills to learn or why i picked those "stats" in willpower and the others - there are just too many options and too little guiding To have to fly 4 jumps to get your first new ship bores me (20 minutes of auto-pilot flying) I haven't figured out where I am. The map is huge and almost impossible to understand. I can't use the names on the map for much, when I have no idea what they mean. I don't know why I wrote this... I guess it frustrates me not to be able find the real fun of a game just because of a strange/bad way of controlling the game. I'll go play a nice game of DotA The Invoker Well EvE is not for everyone. From your post is seems like your two major complains are the high learning curve and the time it takes to do things. I think you will enjoy yourself better in simpler games. Good move trying the trial anyways. Bye -------------------------------- This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware.
Hard Kandy	Posted - 2006.12.18 15:36:00 - [43] This game is so hard! No, really. It has constantly given me headaches over things I do not understand or struggle to fit 101 different things into a few minutes to complete something trivial. The interface is massively difficult to get to grips with, the learning curve is huge as some have pointed out. Saying that, once you do get into it - wow - and not the other WoW either. This game is superb and well worth the effort. The depth and potential is - unreal - and not the tournament type either (god my humour is bad). If you give up on it, its your loss, but maybe you aren't the kind of person suited to this high level of game. I'm now a couple weeks into Eve, I feel more confident, ventured into low sec, am newbie-rich, in a cruiser, training high level skills. Yes I had help, LOTS of help in some areas, but it is possible to get going relatively quickly if you read the readily available information before blindly flying around getting confused and irate.
Forino Ovoli	Posted - 2006.12.18 16:16:00 - [44] Originally by: The Snowman With the excption of a few most of those who play the Eve trial dont end up subscribing. Dev1: Our trial to conversion subscription rate is less around 20%. Dev2: Wasn't it closer to to 15% last month? Dev1: Yes, apparently the improved character creation process and other enhancements have caused it to move up a little. Dev2: Well, just watch it carefully - we don't want it to creep up too high. The filter is there for a reason, in an attempt to filter out the impatient ones and maintain some semblance of quality in the player base. My bottom line - I LOVE it that some people can't figure out the game on their own and choose to not subscribe. I am an Elitist snob that that does not like to hang out with the uneducated, unintelligent and impatient masses. The comlexity of this game and the steep learning curves acts as a pretty good filter.
Arntdec	Posted - 2006.12.18 16:48:00 - [45] You know, since release I've been wondering when (not if) CCP will put in the help channel a moderator-controlled question-anwsering bot, or a IGB form to a "ask your question" database. But now I think that it's up to the fans do this sommething on this matter, as CCP clearly doesn't have the will to.
Zei Xeu	Posted - 2006.12.18 17:28:00 - [46] Edited by: Zei Xeu on 18/12/2006 17:31:57 Edited by: Zei Xeu on 18/12/2006 17:31:23 Edited by: Zei Xeu on 18/12/2006 17:30:38 "Good, go play WoW" "You can't have the attention span of a gnat to play this game." "EVE weeds out those who can't handle it." "The comlexity of this game and the steep learning curves acts as a pretty good filter." What the above condescending posts don't understand is that people who try out EVE and are frustrated aren't quiting because they are stupid, don't have a good attention span or don't deserve to play. They are quiting due to the high learning curve. This is a bad thing for your game. You want people to understand the game BEFORE they decide it's not for them. You want them to play the game, understand what the game is about and THEN decide "yeah...I like this game" or "no...this game isn't for me". Most of the cases though are not that. Most of the posts state "it takes so much time and effort to even understand this game, it's mechanics and what it is about I'm not even going to bother." To decide that this is a positive "Darwinism" for your game is not just condescending but a recipe for the game to eventually fail. Although the game has been successful so far it is not BECAUSE of the high learning curve it is DESPITE of the learning curve. One poster said it best when they said you really have to want to play EVE in order to get into it. You may WANT to play it at first because it's a challenge to figure out how to play but once you understand it you don't stay because it's hard to figure out (because you have already figured it out). But others may like to play after they figure it out despite it being hard to figure out. Those players are the ones that EVE commonly looses. The arguement that the high learning curve weeds out the "b-net kiddies" is an incorrect conclusion. The argument that making the game quicker and easier to understand would bring in players not desired is ALSO an incorrect conclusion. The only way that "b-net kiddies" or undesirables would be brought in would be if the game mechanics were massively changed. Not a single person I have seen post who says they won't play past the trial have asked for this. They have ALL expressed their distain for the high learning curve of the game. In fact, if the learning curve was some how improved without changing the mechanics of the game then the game would get MORE players similar to the existing playerbase that they would enjoy playing with. Because there is no question that the high learning curve is weeding out some of those players. Lowering the learning curve, but maintaining the existing mechanics, would still keep out those who want instant gratification or personalities that are not conducive to the playerbase. Finally, one of the biggest turn offs to the game for me are those who express the opinion that "this game isn't for you, go play WoW" when someone complains of the high learning curve of the game. It is an elitist attitude and portrays the view that somehow someone who has tried to play this game doesn't deserve to play it. Is that really what you want to portray? That only a few people deserve to play the game?
Araxmas The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2006.12.18 17:37:00 - [47] Originally by: Zei Xeu Edited by: Zei Xeu on 18/12/2006 17:31:57 Edited by: Zei Xeu on 18/12/2006 17:31:23 Edited by: Zei Xeu on 18/12/2006 17:30:38 "Good, go play WoW" "You can't have the attention span of a gnat to play this game." "EVE weeds out those who can't handle it." "The comlexity of this game and the steep learning curves acts as a pretty good filter." What the above condescending posts don't understand is that people who try out EVE and are frustrated aren't quiting because they are stupid, don't have a good attention span or don't deserve to play. They are quiting due to the high learning curve. This is a bad thing for your game. Yep i agree, everytime someone quits due to the learning curve everyone shouts 'go play WoW' or about how stupid they are but i have had friends play the eve trial and stop, not because its too hard or they are too lazy but because the tutorial is a piece of turd. When i first played eve the only thing the tutorial taught me was to buy a civilian shield booster and how to mine a veldspar roid so i closed it and slowly adapted yet some good people are turned away due to the new fangled 'aura' slowly taking you through the most useless stuff than not bother telling you about the useful things. Tutorial needs a major over-haul imho. --------
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.12.18 17:52:00 - [48] Edited by: Taram Caldar on 18/12/2006 17:52:26 1) UI really could use an upgrade. It hasn't really changed much since late Beta beyond getting some things added to or removed from it. 2) Learning curve is not really all THAT steep. You can master the basics pretty quickly then get deeper into the mechanics later. Worry about the basics at first. 'Til you're fighting in PVP or Doing Level 4 missions the basics is really all you need. 3) Character creation is still abyssmal. There are certain attributes (Charisma LEAPS to mind followed somewhat closely by Willpower) that are really not very useful. New Players really need to be made aware of this. Also, new players need to be made much more aware of what those skills they're choosing at creation are FOR. A vet has no problem with the creation system. A truely new player to EVE, on the other hand, has no clue whatsoever they are choosing. If they plan to be combat oriented and try to 'diversify' their skills they are going to gimp themselves even for PVE combat because they are only going to get 'frigates 1' more than likely. They need to be made aware of what their choices are and the importantce of specializing as a new character. Even to the point of focussing on one 'line of work' during character creation. they can diversify later. That said I think the current newbie experience is vastly superior to the one back in Beta :) ROFL or even the one at release. And the new one added in revelations is, absolutely, superior to what RMR brought us. All that said, I agree, the tutorial is STILL very lacking. And way more wordy than it needs to be. Aura doesn't need to tell a story about every feature. Just 'this is your blah, click on it... this is what it does.' and move on. Not 10 friggen paragraphs about needless information. The tutorial would try the patience of Ghandi, let alone a new player just trying to give the game a spin. Not saying the information shouldn't be given... just give it clearly and concicely. Too many words is often worse than not enough.
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2006.12.18 18:00:00 - [49] Edited by: Nanobotter Mk2 on 18/12/2006 18:03:50 Well the OP is right on in most ways. Eve is a very deep complex and overwhelming experience for a new player. The game just doesnt play like most mmo's people expect. It is worth trying to perservere through that if you otherwise enjoyed eve. One of the biggest resources is the help chat channel, you can pretty much ask anything you want there and end up with multiple people explaining it to you. Unfortunetely the OP is suffering from what alot of gamers are nowadays which is gaming ADD. If you goto read a manuel to leanr to play just pass because that takes to omuch time and effort. They just wanna load the game and instantly start playing. Kinda sad because that is why we gtet these ultra simply and ultimately boring games, as you cannot build a game of any depth when gamers just wanna install and play without having to learn anything inorder to play. Once you do get past all the new and alien ways things are implemented in eve is play much the same as any old MMO to be honest. To all the people suggesting eve is somehow mind blowingly complex and deep, it really isnt it is the same old crap just packaged in a much different way. Personally I find eve no more deep or challenging or complex than wow, it is just the packaging is very different, thus you can;t just install and go.
Johnny Gurkha Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.12.18 18:29:00 - [50] I see some of you thought the tutorial was crap, as a new user I disagree because it took me through the interface bit by bit and I can now 2 days later navigate it like a pro - the interface is overwhelming for a new user... yes it's long winded I admit but I had an hour or two to spare to go through it and I'm glad I did. Now I'm looking forward to the trial ending and starting my subscriptions :)
Xemis Caldari The Peoples Republic of Power	Posted - 2006.12.18 18:39:00 - [51] Originally by: Lamentation Originally by: Xemis Play WoW Please copy/paste this to all idoits who arent intellegent enough to play this game. Xemis you make it sound like you take it personal, there's no need to go call people idiots just because they don't enjoy the game. Your post makes YOU look like an idiot, not the people who take their time to give feedback on what they think is bad in game. I didnt call people idiots who dont enjoy the game. I call people indiots that arent smart enough to figure it out. Its not hard. And that seemed to be his problem. Go play WoW ------------------------------------------------- Long Range
YardGnome	Posted - 2006.12.18 18:54:00 - [52] Edited by: YardGnome on 18/12/2006 18:57:37 I also have trial but i am planning on paying for it afterwards. This game is complex so i wont get bored of it soon. Only thing that **es me off is how much time i have to waste just to get from one place to another. Like set it on autopilot and go make a sandwich, maybe some coffee then comeback and if your lucky youll get to your destination. Or when doing missions, those pirate swarms are so far apart that it takes you like 5 minutes to get from one target to another if they say 70k km apart. I am posting this reply and at the same time flyng to my location lol, i bet i still wont get there when i finnish this post. Okay, now im at the distanation firing away at the defenceless pirate base. It will take me about 3-5 minutes to kill it, just hovering there firing away...yawn. But i know that when you get a good ship and enough money and enter 0.0 ill get better... if not then im gonna be super **ed.
YardGnome	Posted - 2006.12.18 18:58:00 - [53] Okay, now im at the distanation firing away at the defenceless pirate base. It will take me about 3-5 minutes to kill it, just hovering there firing away...yawn. But i know that when you get a good ship and enough money and enter 0.0 ill get better... if not then im gonna be super ****ed.
Father Weebles Repo Industries	Posted - 2006.12.18 18:58:00 - [54] i was in the op's situation 1 year ago today actually played it for a little, it was ok but really confusing so i stopped playing after the 2 week free deal went out. i came back in feb 06 after a friend of mine said he enjoyed it. "Welcome to EVE, where inflation is out of control."
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:12:00 - [55] Edited by: Taram Caldar on 18/12/2006 19:12:31 Originally by: YardGnome Okay, now im at the distanation firing away at the defenceless pirate base. It will take me about 3-5 minutes to kill it, just hovering there firing away...yawn. But i know that when you get a good ship and enough money and enter 0.0 ill get better... if not then im gonna be super ****ed. Actually once you're in a cruiser and mount heavy missiles this will go much faster even before you get to 0.0 :) Missions are boring though. I highly recommend getting out to lowsec and doing some ratting. Same pay-scale over time and usually better loot :) And there is nothing that replaces the suspense of knowing that another player can come kill you at any moment.... truely it adds a whole new level of excitement to the game. And if you're good you can even kill a few pirates while you're out there :)
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2006.12.18 19:15:00 - [56] In most games the fun ends after a few months of playing. In EVE the real fun starts after a few months of playing. In my case, I still enjoy EVE after almost 3 years now. I know of no other game that came even close in keeping me fascinated for so long. And there is no end in sight.
Mary'venture Caldari Singularity.	Posted - 2006.12.18 20:02:00 - [57] Eve rules

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