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Starow Saraki
HC - P.O.D Express
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Posted - 2015.09.12 18:55:31 -
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So, im looking for a T1 ship (maybe navy version) that will do L4 in a very safe way, in a reasonable time.
I was thinking of either a:
-sniping domi with sentry
-an artilery Minmatar(not sure wich one)
-raven(but cruise take a real long time)
-sniping apoc
I'd like your tought about this and i would like a ship where i can transistion into the good missioning ship (pirate faction)
marauder T2 are out of the question for the moment since it would take too much time(maybe in a year ill think about it)
I fly in amarr space but id like a ship where i can mission agaisnt all faction
Thank you very much for the help |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2015.09.12 20:48:08 -
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may I suggest the good ship 'friendship'?
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Arthur Aihaken
Perkone
Caldari State
4640
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Posted - 2015.09.12 21:39:31 -
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Starow Saraki wrote:I fly in amarr space but id like a ship where i can mission agaisnt all faction
Missiles, drones and projectiles will probably give you the best options for applying specific damage types.
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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.12 22:45:59 -
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Machariel or either TFI for projectiles.
Dominix's for hybrids and drones.
Napoc or NMare for lazors
Rattler for drones and missiles.
Raven's for missiles. |
Starow Saraki
HC - P.O.D Express
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Posted - 2015.09.13 00:13:43 -
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what im asking was: Wich one would be the best for my need |
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
487
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Posted - 2015.09.13 00:21:26 -
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Starow Saraki wrote:what im asking was: Wich one would be the best for my need
What is you specialization? Are you good in drones or lasors? Or you jack-of-all ? It all drpends. Mach is the best in terms of blitzing. If you want comfortable and calm process then Maraduer is your choice. |
Yolli Sly
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.09.13 00:33:43 -
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Raven.
You no need to learn cruise up to 5. Lvl 1 is just fine. The combination Furies + Raven is terrible. Instead invest in missile support and targeting skills.
But I would recommend Gila. |
Starow Saraki
HC - P.O.D Express
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Posted - 2015.09.13 00:44:19 -
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i can fly the gila and the raven, the thing is i find it painful to kill frig with cruise and when your 120km off target, it take a long time
Thats why i want to fly a gun boat since ill be able to kill the frig when they come to me without prob.
So between :
Tempest/maelstrom
raven
domi/sentry
apoc (maybe not since damage type is bad)
wich one of these should i focus to have an easy time doing L4 in a reasonable time and will be able to transit easily to a better ship (Navy or pirate faction ship)
Marauder are out of the question for the moment since they would take half a year and T2 same
thank you in advance |
Yolli Sly
State War Academy
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.09.13 01:15:34 -
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In OP you wrote "very safe way".
Very safe - FoF Raven. Just keep in range and soon or later you w'll kill them (btw, drones are what you are looking for to kill frigates).
Very safe and relatively fast kill - Gila (full passive).
Very very safe and very very fast kill - Rattlesnake (sniper fit).
Missiles and/or drones for PvE. The other is just for fun.
No offence, fly in safe.
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Starow Saraki
HC - P.O.D Express
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Posted - 2015.09.13 02:26:24 -
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Any gunery boat for pve? (T1) |
Forum Toon
State War Academy
Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2015.09.13 03:05:44 -
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if you can fly amarr I had successful time with Geddon navy issue.
long range guns, MJD and 5 sentry drones.
if you want it cheap... sentry domi with mjd. |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
388
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Posted - 2015.09.13 03:36:21 -
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Armor tanked tempest transitioning into armor tanked Machariel. Simple as that.
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Starow Saraki
HC - P.O.D Express
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Posted - 2015.09.13 03:46:01 -
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Would tempest sniping be better than domi sentry sniping?
In term of safenest and speed |
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
487
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Posted - 2015.09.13 04:15:41 -
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Starow Saraki wrote:Would tempest sniping be better than domi sentry sniping?
In term of safenest and speed
Why would you care that much about safety? I could hardly imagine the situation where you have big trouble to run a mission. Cause you could always warp off. If you need speed and range the only Machariel could do that the best way. Then TFI if you don't have or want to train galls line of ships. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
13902
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Posted - 2015.09.13 04:24:33 -
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Starow Saraki wrote:-raven(but cruise take a real long time)
um just no no no. It only matters if you are in a group, not if you are soloing or with a friend doing lvl4's. Incursions, yes it definitely matters, but lvl4's no it doesn't matter one bit really if the damage is instant or delayed. The only real trick is to not waste time and missiles by having the rat dead while another volley outgoing. So the trick is all about your timing, how many hits on what type of ship before switching to the next which will be out before the previous even pops.
Been flying CNR for years, a good ship for missioning. I also fly CNS, and more dominantly just a good old T1 raven with excellent skills. Choice depends on the mission, really. Sometimes I even bust out the Hawk 
Other than that, I also fly Amarr ships, as well as pirate. Absolutely nothing wrong with the CNR, a very solid mission ship out of the box.
And yes, in the case of CNR/CNS you want cruisemissile V, and have good specialization at which IV is enough. Targeting is important too. Then fair drone skills. MJD is nice as well, though more important on CNR as CNS is tankier. Though MJD on CNS is advisable if you don't have good drone skills.
I'm in it for the money
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
1675
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Posted - 2015.09.13 05:04:26 -
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please refine your goals. "very safe" and "quick" are opposing options. Using tactics and such you can get a good mix of the two, or a bit more of one with a bit less of the other, but that seems more like a strategy/tactics thing than a ship fit. I'd try and make some recommendations but I can't figure out your need from your posts. My MJD rattlesnake is imo very safe and pretty quick, where my 1 resist mod mach is safe and very quick. although a lot of that is thanks to knowing the missions inside and out.
also don't shoot frigs at 120km with a cruise raven. LIKE WHY!?!?!?
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
608
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Posted - 2015.09.13 16:12:19 -
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Within the list you've provided, I'd go with the Domi. Afordable even for a budding new l4 runner, simple to operate though plenty of ways to push it further with better skill training, and flexible ranges and solid damage performance with sentries. Sadly, I'm not speaking from personal experience, but this is the unanimous praises I constantly hear from friends who have flown it for years, before and after tieracide. Raven would be my next pick, but only because what you learn in the Raven translates perfectly into the CNR and Golem should you choose to eventually run in either or both of those.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden
Haven.
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Posted - 2015.09.13 16:39:19 -
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Yep, domi, cos good drone skills will transfer to any other ship you fly |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone
Caldari State
4642
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Posted - 2015.09.13 17:40:06 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:although a lot of that is thanks to knowing the missions inside and out.
Which brings up another question: Is the specified goal to shoot and loot or blitz L4s? And which Faction does the OP plan to run missions for? The reason the Machariel is the natural choice for SoE missions is due to the quite large travel distances involved (not necessarily the number of jumps, but the distance in AU). The Machariel has the highest warp speed and with implants and rigs this can be enhanced significantly.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Starow Saraki
HC - P.O.D Express
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Posted - 2015.09.13 20:08:57 -
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Im not blitzing mission i like to do them at my pace and loot
with a mtu or noctis |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.09.13 21:01:07 -
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No such thing as best it's all up to you to decide.
Considering you can fly a Raven then that to me would be the best option.
Range is not a problem with a micro jump drive, that 120 quickly becomes 20.
If you cannot effectively kill frigates with your cruise then you have a fit problem or a skills problem both of which are easy to solve. Besides you should have a nasty set of light drones waiting for those frigate anyway as other have suggested.
Upgrading from a Raven to the Caldari Navy Raven would be a decent idea as well they are more ISK but they are significantly better in a mission pocket.
In the end it is up to you. You can train the added skills needed to make your Raven better or you can train skills to fly another ship that may or may not be better for you.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.09.13 23:25:42 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:also don't shoot frigs at 120km with a cruise raven. LIKE WHY!?!?!?
EWAR rats. About the only frig I shoot at distance, at least thin them out. But yeah, the raven isn't the better choice for that, not unless you rig down your explosion radius like the CNR gets a bonus for (making it better vs. mission rat frigs).
I'm in it for the money
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Arthur Aihaken
Perkone
Caldari State
4644
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Posted - 2015.09.13 23:56:57 -
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Starow Saraki wrote:Im not blitzing mission i like to do them at my pace and loot
with a mtu or noctis
My advice would be to eventually train into a Marauder then, since it eliminates having to utilize another ship for salvaging (and it drastically speeds up the process). But for the present, I'd go with a MJD Raven. Drop your MTU, MJD out, kick in the afterburner and orbit @100km and shoot to your heart's content.
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Degnar Oskold
Justified Chaos
Spaceship Bebop
171
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Posted - 2015.09.14 00:19:12 -
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My missioning alt started L4s in Maelstrom, alternating between artillery fit and autocannon fit depending on the mission), then moved on to Tempest Fleet Issue, then Vargur, then I discovered better ways to make ISK. |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone
Caldari State
4644
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Posted - 2015.09.14 00:26:06 -
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Degnar Oskold wrote:My missioning alt started L4s in Maelstrom, alternating between artillery fit and autocannon fit depending on the mission), then moved on to Tempest Fleet Issue, then Vargur, then I discovered better ways to make ISK.
ISK doubling?
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
490
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Posted - 2015.09.14 00:57:32 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Degnar Oskold wrote:My missioning alt started L4s in Maelstrom, alternating between artillery fit and autocannon fit depending on the mission), then moved on to Tempest Fleet Issue, then Vargur, then I discovered better ways to make ISK. ISK doubling?
lol yeah Jita's local wheel of fortune |
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