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AufDetrack
Caldari Professional Wealth Management
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Posted - 2006.12.18 16:36:00 -
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Here is the list of our managers. People not from PWM please dont post.
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Cleptopatra
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Posted - 2006.12.18 16:46:00 -
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Is that a hard and fast rule or merely a suggestion? |

Narconon
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Posted - 2006.12.18 16:51:00 -
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I dont like title "manager".... To be more specific - I am suppling director of PWM :)
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Ltsaimon
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Posted - 2006.12.18 16:56:00 -
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I am leading research engeneer in PWM.
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Baron Oxes
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Posted - 2006.12.18 16:56:00 -
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Suggestion I hope : )
Auf' made various posts a month-ish ago for 'PWM' with lovely highlighted fragments such as "1600%" and "FREE ISK" in the subject. People asked for more information about a pretty wishy-washy business plan and some questionable maths / interpretation of what a month is - then the posts kind of dried up.
Requests for proof of the varying claims of assets worth 129, 300 and 500 billion weren't answered. And as one person commented, there was a lot of words but still no idea what they were actually proposing in-depth : )
Any clarifications appreciated!
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AufDetrack
Caldari Professional Wealth Management
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Posted - 2006.12.18 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: AufDetrack on 18/12/2006 17:01:47 Baron, yes, now I have understandable business plan, fraps, and trusted people participating in this project.
And I am going to post it here in one peace, if you stop posting destroying beauty of my topic :)
Be patient.
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Marodi Julita
Sublime Investment Fund
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Posted - 2006.12.18 17:05:00 -
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i don't like how you are making spam posts.
Just get to the point... it's excessively irritating to come here to spam.
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Shiraishi Nao
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.18 17:06:00 -
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Confirming that I am participating in this project as a manager, using two alts to manage POSes for the project.
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Chi Azuru
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Posted - 2006.12.18 17:19:00 -
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I am here to tell you, that I am working as a production manager in PWM project.
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Virgiliy
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Posted - 2006.12.18 17:23:00 -
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Confirm that I am in this project.
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Cleptopatra
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Posted - 2006.12.18 17:29:00 -
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A lot of these managers have no forum history other than their post here. How is this supposed to build confidence in your venture? |

Rabb Darktide
Independent Fleet
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Posted - 2006.12.18 18:29:00 -
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They also seemed to show up one at a time in roughly 5 minute intervals...
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AufDetrack
Caldari Professional Wealth Management
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Posted - 2006.12.18 18:42:00 -
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Do you know why? Maby cause we have a little organization essential to rule a project like this, huh? So far your jealousy is ridiculous... rofl "No forum history" - they are mostly PvP pilots playing eve, not chatting on a forum. " emerged in 5 minutes".... Imagine our corp chat with ~20ppl in it, then me posting this link there, saying - guys, we are opening right now, go and confirm you partisipation...
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Cleptopatra
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Posted - 2006.12.18 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: AufDetrack Do you know why? Maby cause we have a little organization essential to rule a project like this, huh? So far your jealousy is ridiculous... rofl "No forum history" - they are mostly PvP pilots playing eve, not chatting on a forum. " emerged in 5 minutes".... Imagine our corp chat with ~20ppl in it, then me posting this link there, saying - guys, we are opening right now, go and confirm you partisipation...
So, you have a bunch of pvp pilots running pos's & getting into T2 production? What kind of experience do they have with this?
Even if they've never posted on the forums they could at least show their corp. They could all be in newbie corps for all we know. You're going to have to try harder than this. |

Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2006.12.18 19:07:00 -
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You clearly have enough isk to make this work on your own.
Why do you need our isk? What will it be spent on?
MP
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Ray McCormack
BIG
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Posted - 2006.12.18 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Motivated Prophet You clearly have enough isk to make this work on your own.
Why do you need our isk? What will it be spent on?
I was just thinking that exact thing, especially seeing as all that's happened in the last month is 3 new POSes.
| How To Afford A Tech II BPO | the all mighty BIG industrial corp from hell with a slong the size of a walrus. |

AufDetrack
Caldari Professional Wealth Management
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Posted - 2006.12.18 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Cleptopatra
So, you have a bunch of pvp pilots running pos's & getting into T2 production? What kind of experience do they have with this?
Even if they've never posted on the forums they could at least show their corp. They could all be in newbie corps for all we know. You're going to have to try harder than this.
grrr Another "smart" post...
What kind of experience do you need to be successful trader in eve??? Do you think it is an extra hard IT work to produce and sell in eve? Lol, you need only MS Excel and 30mins a day to monitor the market and forecast what to produce. - All our managers are people, who use their mains for fun, and alts for this project just to haul, manage POSes, BPO researching, and goods production. Here we post our mains. All market monitoring job, selling, buying is up on me.
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Cleptopatra
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Posted - 2006.12.18 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: AufDetrack
Originally by: Cleptopatra
So, you have a bunch of pvp pilots running pos's & getting into T2 production? What kind of experience do they have with this?
Even if they've never posted on the forums they could at least show their corp. They could all be in newbie corps for all we know. You're going to have to try harder than this.
grrr Another "smart" post...
What kind of experience do you need to be successful trader in eve??? Do you think it is an extra hard IT work to produce and sell in eve? Lol, you need only MS Excel and 30mins a day to monitor the market and forecast what to produce. - All our managers are people, who use their mains for fun, and alts for this project just to haul, manage POSes, BPO researching, and goods production. Here we post our mains. All market monitoring job, selling, buying is up on me.
If you are so good with the market and you and your mates are already worth 300B then why not just go for it? Trading might not be that hard to you, but it seems like dealing with potential investors and creating a sound business plan that people trust might be a little out of your league. |

Cleptopatra
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Posted - 2006.12.18 19:33:00 -
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By the way.. Who is Lady Business and why did you try to cover up that name with the one you are posting with in your video? |

Marodi Julita
Sublime Investment Fund
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Posted - 2006.12.18 19:35:00 -
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you have no idea how much you irritate me. If your inability to write a topic and THEN post is irritating. Instead you decide to open 3 topics and then eventually write your information?
If this is any way you run your buisness it shows you have no ability to think ahead and are reckless probably resulting in millions of isk of poinless losses.
Learn how to make a thread with the information.
And your lack of details is frightning, not to mention use of alts.
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AufDetrack
Caldari Professional Wealth Management
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Posted - 2006.12.18 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Motivated Prophet You clearly have enough isk to make this work on your own.
Why do you need our isk? What will it be spent on?
MP
If you think 30bln isks in cash is enought to expand, you are wrong. To supply the materials for production on currently active 28 POSes, we spend ~ 26bln isk. All that cash in video already used, and will get back only in a month and a half. We use all of our monetary funds, saving in cash a little amount for weekly\monthly devidents payment (now this reserve is 2 bln per week).
Now check the prices on t2 BPOs, and calculate how much you need to enter this profitable but ultra-expensive market. So we need investments to start mass t2 goods production, and to balance this overpriced market.
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Marodi Julita
Sublime Investment Fund
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Posted - 2006.12.18 19:56:00 -
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do you have ANY idea how posting with an alt makes you look bad? might wanna show your main.
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AufDetrack
Caldari Professional Wealth Management
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Posted - 2006.12.18 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Cleptopatra
Originally by: AufDetrack
Originally by: Cleptopatra
If you are so good with the market and you and your mates are already worth 300B then why not just go for it? Trading might not be that hard to you, but it seems like dealing with potential investors and creating a sound business plan that people trust might be a little out of your league.
Dealing with potentiial investors and creating a sound BP is hard due to my bad English :( I am not a native speaker.
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AufDetrack
Caldari Professional Wealth Management
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Posted - 2006.12.18 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Marodi Julita do you have ANY idea how posting with an alt makes you look bad? might wanna show your main.
Thought that is ok to post with an alt. Sorry Ok my main is Feintau Nao.
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Ray McCormack
BIG
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Posted - 2006.12.18 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: AufDetrack Ok my main is Feintau Nao.
Any relation to...
Originally by: Shiraishi Nao Confirming that I am participating in this project as a manager, using two alts to manage POSes for the project.
And you've edited the original topic out of this post.
| How To Afford A Tech II BPO | the all mighty BIG industrial corp from hell with a slong the size of a walrus. |

Feintau Nao
Minmatar Astral Drifter
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Posted - 2006.12.18 20:12:00 -
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Confirming I am AufDetrack's main.
Confirming Shiraishi Nao is my cousin.
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Cleptopatra
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Posted - 2006.12.18 20:14:00 -
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You still haven't told us who "Lady Business" is. |

Kerushi
Caldari BIG R i s e
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Posted - 2006.12.18 20:19:00 -
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topic has changed more times then i`ve made stupid posts...
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ManagaManaga
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.18 20:29:00 -
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Poor AufDetrack.... Guys,give him a break... just imagine how hard for chineese to read and write all that business discussion...
Damn, man, you have to learn html and create a web page about your project. This cross-related forum links system is crazy!! _____________ POWER of WORD ============= |

Sneeky
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Posted - 2006.12.18 20:39:00 -
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One of your three post can stay but the others will be removed.
ISD might lock all three post because this fits under the area of spam post.
You decide which one stays. Blank out the title of the two you don't need. |

AufDetrack
Caldari Professional Wealth Management
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Posted - 2006.12.18 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: ManagaManaga Poor AufDetrack.... Guys,give him a break... just imagine how hard for chineese to read and write all that business discussion...
Damn, man, you have to learn html and create a web page about your project. This cross-related forum links system is crazy!!
I am not from China :)
I think it's a good idea to make a website to display info about our project in one understandable clear piece... Will be back soon with fancy webpage instead of spamming forum, irritating you guys. I am sorry if i have insulted someone with my language.
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Cleptopatra
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Posted - 2006.12.18 21:21:00 -
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Still no reply as to the identity of "Lady Business"? |

Dread Phantom
Caldari Project-Chaos
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Posted - 2006.12.18 22:45:00 -
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Rabb Darktide
Independent Fleet
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Posted - 2006.12.18 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: AufDetrack Do you know why? Maby cause we have a little organization essential to rule a project like this, huh? So far your jealousy is ridiculous...
Organization, eh? I figured it was just how long it took you to log in all the alts.
And, no, I am not jealous...
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.18 22:54:00 -
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I heartily endorse this as an example of how not to attempt to raise 400 billion ISK 
-[23] Member-
Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (Temporarily down) |

Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2006.12.18 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari I heartily endorse this as an example of how not to attempt to raise 400 billion ISK 
I heartily endorse this event, product, or extremely-insightful one-liner.
MP
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Kerushi
Caldari BIG R i s e
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Posted - 2006.12.18 23:41:00 -
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fully agree! 
and if u really wanted to spend money, i`ll gladly accept donations for "Save the CareBear" funds
ok... maybe not, but doesn`t hurts to try like this guy 
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Marodi Julita
Sublime Investment Fund
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Posted - 2006.12.19 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Motivated Prophet
Originally by: Dark Shikari I heartily endorse this as an example of how not to attempt to raise 400 billion ISK 
I heartily endorse this event, product, or extremely-insightful one-liner.
MP
I heartily endorse this oppinion of DS
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Cleptopatra
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Posted - 2006.12.19 06:43:00 -
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Ok, if you watch their video you'll see that Aufdetrack's name is poorly superimposed over the name "Lady Business".
After being able to log into Eve I found the following info on Lady Business.
Born: 9/23/06
Joined Astral Drifter: 10/10/06
Astral Drifter call sign: [BOGUS] (almost too good to be true)
Auf, did you even watch the video after you tried to spoof it? Is this supposed to be funny, or are you really trying to scam people with this stuff? |

Cleptopatra
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Posted - 2006.12.19 17:45:00 -
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I see you've removed the title of the post now. Does this mean your closing the offering? I really hope not, it's been good for a chuckle. |

AufDetrack
Caldari Professional Wealth Management
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Posted - 2006.12.19 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Cleptopatra I see you've removed the title of the post now. Does this mean your closing the offering? I really hope not, it's been good for a chuckle.
Have I ? Nope.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.19 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: AufDetrack
Originally by: Cleptopatra I see you've removed the title of the post now. Does this mean your closing the offering? I really hope not, it's been good for a chuckle.
Have I ? Nope.
Yes you did. You just added it back. 
-[23] Member-
Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (Back up!) |

Ramblin Man
Empyreum
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Posted - 2006.12.19 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: AufDetrack
Originally by: Cleptopatra I see you've removed the title of the post now. Does this mean your closing the offering? I really hope not, it's been good for a chuckle.
Have I ? Nope.
Yes you did. You just added it back. 
Little Known Fact: Arguing with DS about anything involving the F5 key is a sure way to lose. 
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Konsumentkontakt
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.20 00:35:00 -
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I really must say that this might've been a good idea, but poor performance, really. What I keep thinking is comparing with the ISS IPO's, more exactly, their most recent one.
They ask great amounts of sums, just like you. On the other hand, they probably spent more than maybe 30-60 minutes to putting their piece of IPO Presentation together. Alright, you had a fraps movie with a duration of 16 minutes which was good. But the lack using a main (I take it that isn't your main?), and also the lack of showing this chars Attributes and current skills, makes it less thrustworthy.
I can understand if you use alts to operate POS's. But then it would mean that this char would have skills learnt, which as far as we know, it just as much couldn't have.
Your way of typing is also a bit odd - You go straight away into a defensive position, showing irritation that someone question your idea. I'd say that this is a typical action made by someone who has got something to hide.
I am not here to say that you are a scammer, nor am I here to say that you are not. I'm just pointing out that if you wish people to transfer several hundred billion ISK to your wallet, you need to change your attitude and the way you put your project in front of potential investors. Although, at this moment, I believe that you would have to fight a uphill battle in order to pull it off.
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Elvarien
Caldari The Night's Watch THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2006.12.20 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Cleptopatra Ok, if you watch their video you'll see that Aufdetrack's name is poorly superimposed over the name "Lady Business".
After being able to log into Eve I found the following info on Lady Business.
Born: 9/23/06
Joined Astral Drifter: 10/10/06
Astral Drifter call sign: [BOGUS] (almost too good to be true)
Auf, did you even watch the video after you tried to spoof it? Is this supposed to be funny, or are you really trying to scam people with this stuff?
small question: Where did you read the name "lady business" in that vid ? I`ve been trying to see the flaw in aufs edit but was unable to find it. [out of curiocity`s sake] Where`s the screwup ?
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Cleptopatra
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Posted - 2006.12.20 04:11:00 -
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Elvarian,
I watched the video originally on my computer at work. The name (in the upper left hand corner on the toolbar) said "Lady Business" but someone had cut the name "AufDetrack" and tried to use that name to cover Lady Business. Now if this was just an alt that manages the POS's why try to hide it this way? Also, why put the loading screen for Auf in the beginning? I did notice that the video link did "refresh" (ie change back to the unvisited link color) so maybe he corrected his mistake.
Nevertheless, Lady Business and Auf are the only two members of Professional Wealth Management. Whose call name is ironically [BOGUS]. |

Elvarien
Caldari The Night's Watch THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2006.12.20 05:11:00 -
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ah then he corrected his mistake .. but yes your arguments are sound and correct ... it was a nice scam attempt the person behind it just ....sucked at executing it properly apparently ;P
Nice catch though
>--- A properly fitted manticore is Ninja. |
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