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Arsikere
Into The Flood
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Posted - 2015.09.14 14:34:14 -
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Just sayin.
Was in a fight in my coercer with a thrasher. I had a tracking rig, a 5%tracking implant, was running a Standard Drop Booster, plus the tracking bonus on the Coercer hull, and max gun skills. Thrasher warps in, hits me with 1 tracking disruptor, and 0 volleys hit after that.
A few days later I get perma-jammed in my comet by a toon LESS THAN 24 HOURS OLD in a Griffin.
Once got damped by a maulus. My range went down to 5000M locking range and I was in a cruiser.
EWAR might be a bit OP.
It should probably be toned down a bit, ya know? |
erg cz
Aligned Fleet CZ-SK
326
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Posted - 2015.09.14 14:51:01 -
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Concidering how few EWAR ships you can see in space... hardly.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
746
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Posted - 2015.09.14 15:33:40 -
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No. |
Bobb Bobbington
The Cult of the Rare Pepes
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Posted - 2015.09.14 18:47:21 -
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If it's OP, go use it yourself. See how it goes. Experiment. Then come back saying it's OP with a valid argument instead of whining about a few losses. |
Moglarr
Operation Meatshield
Plexodus
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Posted - 2015.09.14 20:49:23 -
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For the TD, he likely cut your optimal and not your tracking. Since lasers tend to really suck outside of their optimal that would explain why you couldn't hit.
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Mira Chieve
Star Kingdom of Manticore
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Posted - 2015.09.14 22:04:27 -
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I have found unbonused Ewar to be rather meh.
Range control has much higher impact on tracking than one unbonused disruptor. Why would someone even waste a mid on a thrasher for that is beyond me. I would probably kite him at long point range with scorch as I think the Coercer is pretty bad in scram range with only two mids since no webs are just too big a disadvantage. |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.09.15 00:07:36 -
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X is OP because I died to them PLZ NERF.
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Bobb Bobbington
The Cult of the Rare Pepes
40
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Posted - 2015.09.15 00:18:14 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:X is OP because I died to them PLZ NERF.
Hey, don't joke around about X. It's one mean letter. |
Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
638
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Posted - 2015.09.15 04:15:29 -
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Most ewar is fine. Effectiveness of TD's on non-bonused hulls might need to be looked at, with max skills it's kinda stupid considering how many hulls can fit a TD as an afterthought (Firetail, condor, hookbill etc.)
ECM is trash and should be removed or changed so it actually adds something constructive to the game. |
Triakis Cadelanne
La Fine Equipe
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Posted - 2015.09.17 11:16:17 -
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I agree to say ECM is a bit ******** and should be revamped. |
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Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
759
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Posted - 2015.09.17 13:58:34 -
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ECM does not need to be fixed. ECM is chanced based. Even with my near perfect ECM skills, I find myself sometimes not even able to get off a jam on a lonely Incursus.
And there are counters to ECM. ECCM mods, drones, FoF missiles, and even implants to increase your sig strength.
So maybe before you go and cry that something is too stronk, go and fly some ECM boats and see how well they work for you. |
Voi Lutois
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.17 15:05:15 -
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https://gyazo.com/c667b710088983109fdff0a4c0f3dd0c
This blackbird landed 4 consistent jam cycles from 125-160km away, that just seems a little fucky to me. It would be nice to see some kind of change to Caldari EWAR to make it a little more interesting or something because right now it is boring af. A little less range seems like it would be an okay start but idk. |
Triakis Cadelanne
La Fine Equipe
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Posted - 2015.09.17 16:45:46 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:ECM does not need to be fixed. ECM is chanced based. Even with my near perfect ECM skills, I find myself sometimes not even able to get off a jam on a lonely Incursus.
And there are counters to ECM. ECCM mods, drones, FoF missiles, and even implants to increase your sig strength.
So maybe before you go and cry that something is too stronk, go and fly some ECM boats and see how well they work for you.
When did the definition of "revamp" became the same than "nerf" ? I'd not nerf ECM, and I don't think the guy who said it was trash would do it. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
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Posted - 2015.09.17 20:14:21 -
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I'd get rid of racial ECM personally. Nobody else gets EW that is better vs specific race ships.
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Silverbackyererse
The Church of Awesome
Heiian Conglomerate
150
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Posted - 2015.09.17 22:18:15 -
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GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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lord xavier
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2015.09.18 02:20:24 -
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As a person with max ewar, I can honestly tell you that ECM is hit and miss. I've perma-jammed stuff with a widow, rook, falcon, kitsune, griffin, blackbirds and scorpions. I've also missed every cycle of jammers on a single ship for a couple cycles with the same ships.
ECM is RNG no matter the ship its on. |
Dato Koppla
Kiwis In Space
No Points Necessary
880
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Posted - 2015.09.18 02:36:31 -
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Voi Lutois wrote:https://gyazo.com/c667b710088983109fdff0a4c0f3dd0c This blackbird landed 4 consistent jam cycles from 125-160km away. I was only able to fight back after keeping the blackbird outside of its 170km lock range, that just seems a little fucky to me. It would be nice to see some kind of change to Caldari EWAR to make it a little more interesting or something because right now it is boring af. A little less range seems like it would be an okay start but idk, I am biased 
I saw that, that was pretty ridiculous.
Also, range has already been nerfed, Falcons used to be able to jam at a 100km optimal IIRC. |
Damnskippy
Mad Bombers
Hashashin Cartel
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Posted - 2015.09.18 05:05:10 -
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Silverbackyererse wrote:GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
ECM is like a condom. You use it for "safe" pvp. |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
889
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Posted - 2015.09.18 06:04:43 -
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Damnskippy wrote:Silverbackyererse wrote:GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
ECM is like a condom. You use it for "safe" pvp.
In Falcon we thrust. Prevents unwanted lossmails.
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Yun Kuai
Justified Chaos
Spaceship Bebop
279
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Posted - 2015.09.18 06:36:18 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:Damnskippy wrote:Silverbackyererse wrote:GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
ECM is like a condom. You use it for "safe" pvp. In Falcon we thrust. Prevents unwanted lossmails.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.09.18 15:26:23 -
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Voi Lutois wrote:https://gyazo.com/c667b710088983109fdff0a4c0f3dd0c This blackbird landed 4 consistent jam cycles from 125-160km away. I was only able to fight back after keeping the blackbird outside of its 170km lock range, that just seems a little fucky to me. It would be nice to see some kind of change to Caldari EWAR to make it a little more interesting or something because right now it is boring af. A little less range seems like it would be an okay start but idk, I am biased
To get consistent jams at those ranges means the person gimped his blackbird fit. Which means he had no tank to speak of. Experienced EWAR pilots will tell you, never not have tank. |
Morgan Agrivar
Happy Endings Massage Parlor
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Posted - 2015.09.20 19:56:18 -
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I wonder if I have dampened him before. And what Estella says, always have a tank on your EWAR.
Belted Celestis
Drone Link Augmentor II x3
50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Phased Muon Sensor Dampener I x3 (with Targeting Range Dampening Script)
Small Capacitor Booster II (with Navy Cap Booster 400)
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II x2
Reactive Armor Hardener
1600mm Steel Plates II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Ionic Field Projector I
Vespa EC-600 x5
For my skills, it had over 33k ehp and was good in cruiser gangs. Don't knock EWAR until you go and fly one yourself. I pretty much stuck to flying the Maulus cause I loved dampening sniping Tornado range by 75-80% from 100km+ away. And my EWAR skills are not that great to begin with. EWAR is a good stepping stone for newbros to get into FW and small gang PvP.
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gustye
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.22 10:41:28 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:X is OP because I died to them PLZ NERF.
plz nerf thrasher it beat my T3D. T3 should always win. |
George Gouillot
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2015.09.23 16:15:08 -
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If your opponent ueses Ewar, he sacrifices tank, range control, dps or all of it.
To counter this, you have to do the same by either boosting your sensor strength or fitting counter Ewar.
I would call that balanced. |
XTOlivia Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.29 12:29:26 -
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I just don't see the problem with ECM/EWAR. There's so many counters to it that it is not an over-whelming issue. On the other hand I see issues with piloting against an ewar player. I think before we start changing the mechanics let's try to take a more objective look at what can be done to counter this issue. Assuming you think it's your issue.
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