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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
1946
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Posted - 2015.09.14 20:52:10 -
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Big props to you guys for doing the smart thing and cooperating to win. I would expect no less from Eve Online.
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
1947
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Posted - 2015.09.14 21:16:38 -
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Doomchinchilla wrote:ISD Buldath wrote:Quote: 35. Posting of chat logs outside the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited.
The posting of chat logs between player parties is prohibited on all forum channels of the EVE Online forums, with the exception of the Crime & Punishment Channel where they can be posted as part of stories in the Pirate Story Thread.
Specific rules regarding the omission of pilot names apply in this instance. Further details can be found in the rules stickies in the Crime & Punishment forum channel. I have removed the offending material. So if you removed the chat logs from Skype are you confirming that they're legit? Because if they're fake and a troll, there is nothing wrong with having them here. So are you taking an official stance from CCP that the skpye logs were legit?
Looking at the way the rules are written, it doesn't matter if they were legit or not -- it's policy to remove all chat logs regardless of their veracity.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
1948
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Posted - 2015.09.14 22:54:23 -
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Mr Rive wrote:Aryth wrote:The problem is the first punishment didn't work. The recent warning didn't work. The only thing that will work is a huge hammer to the face. I don't support actually banning anyone from the game. Banning from AT is a perfectly reasonable response. Not rewarding the behavior by seizing the ships is also perfectly reasonable.
Yes, everyone knew it was going on. The problem with getting caught is then the pain comes. If this was the first time this happened it might be easier to argue for no punishment. Unfortunately, that isn't the case. banning hasnt and never will work for the tournament. People just use alts and there's no way to prove they are. Besides, I dont think they deserve to get banned. They played a game with CCP and they lost. they deserve some recognition for almost getting away with it. They were very clever about it.
Unfortunately for them, this is not how Eve works.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
1955
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Posted - 2015.09.15 01:59:43 -
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Mr Rive wrote:
Yeah it is, but then some of us care about the tournament too, and its not worth the frustration seeing this bullshit play out during the tournament, for the chance for a bit of hydra evasion trolling afterwards.
I agree -- the people involved should be exempt from the rules because of who they are.
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
1964
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Posted - 2015.09.15 11:46:41 -
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Mr Rive wrote:Querns wrote:Mr Rive wrote:
Yeah it is, but then some of us care about the tournament too, and its not worth the frustration seeing this bullshit play out during the tournament, for the chance for a bit of hydra evasion trolling afterwards.
I agree -- the people involved should be exempt from the rules because of who they are. Hold the phone. No one is saying they should be exempt. You know the game they were playing almost as well as I do, youre obviously not stupid, throwing this in my face isnt going to get a rise from me. Again, they deserve to be punished, but throwing the book at them will do nothing but invonvenience them. Banning them just means they have to train a few alts for a year. My suggestion of splitting the prizes up more evenly means we aren't getting an advantage, and they lose some of theirs. It also pulls more teams in to the AT ship pool 'family'. Of course everyone is pissed off about this. Understandably. I and others have been sure about it for at least a year. Maybe we're coming at this from a more clear headed angle?
I think you're underestimating the ability for CCP to enforce a ban. While it wouldn't be perfect, blacklisting all their accounts, their machine IDs, and the /24 of their IP would probably work fairly well. To subvert that, they'd have to start completely clean, new accounts, buy some or all of a new computer, and, depending on where they live, move.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
1965
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Posted - 2015.09.15 12:43:07 -
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Mr Rive wrote:
thats not been done in the past though. If they did it would work. I still dont think a lot of them would care, most of their best pilots have more or less burned out now anyway.
Still, this doesnt actually fix anything. It doesnt change the fact that someone could still communicate with a practise partner, share all setups, and get to the finals. this is the real problem.
Escalating punishments until the crime no longer justifies the time is pretty much their only option, outside of scrapping the Alliance Tournament altogether.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
1967
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Posted - 2015.09.15 17:30:32 -
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Ryu Chaos wrote:so what we take out of this thread
2) every single goonswarm member and his mother, wants the AT finished
Nah -- the AT has value. It (usually) is a way to get clued in on upcoming game changes. They may not have done it this year, but I've made a bundle off of it in years previous.
Also, I'm mostly hoping that CCP does nothing about the allegations. This opens up some great opportunities later.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
1967
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Posted - 2015.09.15 19:25:48 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:if they were best, what do they need to cheat for then?
Something doesnt fit in this equation.
Making money by betting against the team that throws. It's what I'd do.
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