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Weebear Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.18 23:34:00 - [31] Originally by: Mitch Taylor does anyone NOT have access to ACSN forums The real ones or the civis-ascendant one that we sell accounts to in a huge scam?
weedmasta Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.12.18 23:35:00 - [32] Originally by: Mitch Taylor does anyone NOT have access to ACSN forums
Kaleeb S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.	Posted - 2006.12.18 23:57:00 - [33] Originally by: Mitch Taylor does anyone NOT have access to ACSN forums Me
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:57:00 - [34] Originally by: Mitch Taylor does anyone NOT have access to ACSN forums me, they took mine away 7 months ago when I was in ascn :(. so i am a security risk and the other 99% eve ain't? What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp.
FFGR Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.19 00:57:00 - [35] Originally by: Mitch Taylor does anyone NOT have access to ACSN forums Do you HONESTLY want an answer to that ? _______ Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment
JForce N.W.A	Posted - 2006.12.19 01:06:00 - [36] I think the other thing is that MC are good enough and busy enough to choose their missions. I contacted them a while ago via their website, and never even got a reply. To be honest I don't think it was their kind of mission, but thought they might have enjoyed something different. I'm sure that the chances of success are as much a factor as the ISK.
Ritchler Gallente Proof Or Stfu	Posted - 2006.12.19 01:09:00 - [37] Originally by: Seleene spits Diet Coke all over monitor One hundred billion isk?! Ummm... no. For the record, the biggest lump sum contract the MC has ever been offered was 40 billion isk. Originally by: Montaire Mercs arent regulars, they are shock troops. To get MC to take a contract you need to have a plan, a stated goal, a measurment of success. They want to have some sort of achievable goal in mind. And no "DEAR GOD SAVE US" doesnt count, I know from experience. SO while you could hire them for 20b to "Take X, Y and Z. Bonus for A, B and C" You cant hire them with the goal of "Keep X off my back while I do Y" I like this one. YOU WILL MARRY ME DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.19 01:31:00 - [38] I had talked to CYVOK about a month and a half before he left, and he had told me that he had made a "name you're price" offer to the Mercenary Coalition, which they refused. Before he left, I had brought that up, and Seleene denied it, saying that we had not asked them to participate, as we had wanted to "Do this on our own." Since I can't read minds, no way to really know who is being untruthful. CYVOK is gone and Seleene and I have only talked once or twice in gang chat when we were fighting the same war target a few years ago. I do find it difficult to believe that considering the glaring inadequacies we were facing in the beginning of this conflict, combined with the loss of Paragon Soul that we wouldn't have brought MC on board. After all, I think at one point CYVOK just went down the list of available mercenaries and hired everybody that said yes. Anyhow, MC has always tried to seperate themselves from BoB a little bit, if you read the forums however most of the MC posts lean pro-BoB. (Not blatantly so, but you'll get the feeling) I really wouldn't be suprised if MC did turn us down, after all, they do stand to lose their little 0.0 paradise over in Period Basis with the 4 outposts. This all being said, it's still "He said/She said at this point, and it doesn't really matter. I would have liked to see MC fighting BoB though, they taught me most of what I know about fighting in gangs in a three or four day period a few years ago. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
Reto The Last Resort	Posted - 2006.12.19 03:43:00 - [39] true mercenaries are ppl who u can hire. everytime, everywhere against everyone. if i speculate about the reasons for mc's ties to bob the most important thing which comes to mind is that mc is in need for a secure region where they can build up their capital ships and earn money. u cannot build titans with someone harrassing u all the time or even threatening to kill ur shipyards. i for my part think that merc shouldnt nap with someone just to gain advantages. either u can achieve stuff on ur own or u become a slave of alliance politics which are totally devastating to ur business and to the game eve used to be (back in the day when pirate corps ruled the galaxy....) true merc have no friends, have no home and have no conscience. the only thing merc have is a price. period. Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
DiuxDium Casting Shadows	Posted - 2006.12.19 03:51:00 - [40] Originally by: Reto true mercenaries are ppl who u can hire. everytime, everywhere against everyone. if i speculate about the reasons for mc's ties to bob the most important thing which comes to mind is that mc is in need for a secure region where they can build up their capital ships and earn money. u cannot build titans with someone harrassing u all the time or even threatening to kill ur shipyards. i for my part think that merc shouldnt nap with someone just to gain advantages. either u can achieve stuff on ur own or u become a slave of alliance politics which are totally devastating to ur business and to the game eve used to be (back in the day when pirate corps ruled the galaxy....) true merc have no friends, have no home and have no conscience. the only thing merc have is a price. period. Err. Sorry, going to step in here. "True Mercenaries" are not people that can be hired at any time, to go anywhere, against anyone. You may not have heard of them, but my country has mecenaries. "The Swiss Vatican Mercenaries" to be exact. They're classified as mercenaries; they fit the role of mercenaries. Yet if I offered them 50 million Euros to strike the down the dear pope, they'd most likely turn me down. While you may consider the above off-topic, it isn't.
Sionn Klorgh Minmatar Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.19 05:34:00 - [41] Quote: Stupid ASCN. BOB = AAA In terms of backdoor quiet dealings, I'm willing to wager your not far from the truth. Anyhow, its a game and change is good. The south is on fire...and its beats the stagnation and boredom leading up to it.
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.19 06:33:00 - [42] Originally by: Sionn Klorgh Quote: Stupid ASCN. BOB = AAA In terms of backdoor quiet dealings, I'm willing to wager your not far from the truth. Anyhow, its a game and change is good. The south is on fire...and its beats the stagnation and boredom leading up to it. is kid underground business considered as backdoor quiet dealings? Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.19 06:38:00 - [43] Originally by: Gungankllr I had talked to CYVOK about a month and a half before he left, and he had told me that he had made a "name you're price" offer to the Mercenary Coalition, which they refused. Gungan, I refuse to call anyone a liar but I do think there is a bit of drama going on here. I think I can safely state that no "name your price" offer was ever made to us. There was certianly no offer of 100 billion. I've never seen anything even close to that. If you and Virt wish to have a TS meeting at some point to get total clarification on all this, I'd be willing to do that. - Fight the Darkness!
Skelator Stronghold corp Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.19 06:41:00 - [44] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Gungankllr I had talked to CYVOK about a month and a half before he left, and he had told me that he had made a "name you're price" offer to the Mercenary Coalition, which they refused. Gungan, I refuse to call anyone a liar but I do think there is a bit of drama going on here. I think I can safely state that no "name your price" offer was ever made to us. There was certianly no offer of 100 billion. I've never seen anything even close to that. If you and Virt wish to have a TS meeting at some point to get total clarification on all this, I'd be willing to do that. Just for Curiosity's Sake Seleene. If a Name your price offer was made would you take it or at Least think hard about it?
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.19 07:03:00 - [45] Edited by: Seleene on 19/12/2006 07:03:48 Originally by: Skelator Just for Curiosity's Sake Seleene. If a Name your price offer was made would you take it or at Least think hard about it? Very much so. It's not even so much about our stations as it is just coming up with something better than, "I HAVE A CUNNING PLAN!" You see, I have to be able to convince my pilots that we'd be more than just meat shields. Far too many entities in this game see mercs as a whole as nothing more than just more bodies to pile into local and their contract offers often reflect such short-sighted thinking. There are people in the game with the money and the brains to involve us and try to take down BoB. Either they lack the will, the balls or the desire to do so. After the way the ASCN war went, I think BoB would welcome a serious challange. - Fight the Darkness!
Leto Twin Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.19 07:08:00 - [46] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 19/12/2006 07:03:48 Originally by: Skelator Just for Curiosity's Sake Seleene. If a Name your price offer was made would you take it or at Least think hard about it? Very much so. It's not even so much about our stations as it is just coming up with something better than, "I HAVE A CUNNING PLAN!" You see, I have to be able to convince my pilots that we'd be more than just meat shields. Far too many entities in this game see mercs as a whole as nothing more than just more bodies to pile into local and their contract offers often reflect such short-sighted thinking. There are people in the game with the money and the brains to involve us and try to take down BoB. Either they lack the will, the balls or the desire to do so. After the way the ASCN war went, I think BoB would welcome a serious challange. I think he meant for marriage...
Thorjak Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.19 07:11:00 - [47] Originally by: Skelator Just for Curiosity's Sake Seleene. If a Name your price offer was made would you take it or at Least think hard about it? I'm not MC, and I'm also ASCN, which kinda makes me the least good player in the Galaxy to take a rough stab at this but I can't resist. Lets assume 150-200 bill for outpost and territory loss, maybe a bit conservative then umm, lemme think, I dunno 100 (billion) for general costs again, very conservative, then you gotta add the actual profit, thats up to MC, but I think they're gonna add 50% at least All this assumes the hirer has a plan that appeals to them of course.. kinda difficult to imagine I know, AND assuming they have time to prepare before BoB gets an idea of whats about to happen. 500 bill, there, right off the top of my head. Of course, you'd have to buld all the stuff needed if this was to work.. AND have a plan, AND have the players willing to see it through, otherwise it won't do much good Half a trill, I doubt ascn would even think of coming up with that sort of ISK.. 3 titans ffs Thorjak
Mirasta Caldari Enigma Enterprises Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:16:00 - [48] Edited by: Mirasta on 19/12/2006 09:17:17 They're Mercs not idiots. Can you blame them for picking sevral easier contracts which will probbly end in a better monitary gaim when factoring ship losses ECT. Of couse, You are now reading my sig. Goon FC:"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational"
Dekiri Exanimo Inc	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:25:00 - [49] Originally by: Reto true mercenaries are ppl who u can hire. everytime, everywhere against everyone. if i speculate about the reasons for mc's ties to bob the most important thing which comes to mind is that mc is in need for a secure region where they can build up their capital ships and earn money. u cannot build titans with someone harrassing u all the time or even threatening to kill ur shipyards. i for my part think that merc shouldnt nap with someone just to gain advantages. either u can achieve stuff on ur own or u become a slave of alliance politics which are totally devastating to ur business and to the game eve used to be (back in the day when pirate corps ruled the galaxy....) true merc have no friends, have no home and have no conscience. the only thing merc have is a price. period. Why do people think that mercenarys have to be stupid? A true mercenary is someone who makes money from contracts and to actually gain money you have to be A: good and B: careful what contracts you pick. I really can't see why people think that mercs have to agree on a contract if it is obvious that they can't gain anything. --------------------------------- Exanimo Inc. - Mercs for hire Join channel "CONTRACT EXAN" in game if you wish to hire Exanimo Inc. Or contact cptblood or kakanur
Svett Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:29:00 - [50] I remember a post made by Seleene months back saying something to the effect of "yes we would take a contract against BoB IF it had a plan to actually defeat them". This is not an exact quote but close enough.
Kriger Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:36:00 - [51] Edited by: Kriger on 19/12/2006 09:40:36 Originally by: Montaire Mercs arent regulars, they are shock troops. To get MC to take a contract you need to have a plan, a stated goal, a measurment of success. They want to have some sort of achievable goal in mind. And no "DEAR GOD SAVE US" doesnt count, I know from experience. SO while you could hire them for 20b to "Take X, Y and Z. Bonus for A, B and C" You cant hire them with the goal of "Keep X off my back while I do Y" Do you actually believe that dribble urself? Its merely an excuse used by 'some' merc corps to refuse contracts that doesnt suit their political or strategic goals. Mercs by definition wouldnt normally give a rats rse what they were payed to do, as long as they got payed well. This being a game, im sure most mercs would refuse do a 4 week mining contract so yes some contracts may be turned down due to the potential bore factor ;) However dont be so naive to assume that the whole phrase 'you need a plan' is nothing more than a convinient excuse, a 'get out of a contract offer with no explaination' for-free' card. That being said, i have no idea if MC were offered 100B isk to have a go at BoB, but it doesnt really matter. Even if MC may deny it, they are a political entity in their own right (which is fine and understandable, tho' oddly enough they seem to deny it and use 'excuses' like the above). Tbh id have much more respect for the MC guys if they just went balls out n spoke their minds, as in 'your contracts sux and we got better to do' or 'no way we are touching that one, we like our outposts'. So yes.. its understandable if MC (and others) turned down a BoB contract. Just dont try to feed sain ppl the argument that it was because ASCN didnt have a plan. Thats just plain silly. .:: Kriger's gfx Factory ::.*
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:36:00 - [52] Originally by: Omeega Edited by: Omeega on 18/12/2006 20:33:51 Stupid ASCN. BOB = AAA But BoB= GM's = RA = ISD = FIX = MC So, MC = both AAA AND BoB! --------------------------------- Bah, I broke my edited sig!
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:38:00 - [53] Originally by: Kriger Tbh id have much more respect for the MC guys if they just went balls out n spoke their minds, as in 'your contracts sux and we got better to do' or 'no way we are touching that one, we like our outposts'. Umm... that's actually pretty accurate. - Fight the Darkness!
Liora Vahan Gallente Axe Gang	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:38:00 - [54] Originally by: Seleene Very much so. It's not even so much about our stations as it is just coming up with something better than, So what you're really after is someone with a little planning. ie. "Here are the bob shipyards we've scouted, you get x much per shipyard destroyed, plus the cost of losses" As opposed to "kill BoB"? Makes perfect sense to me. Though I fail to see why people want to 'kill' alliances. A legend in my own mind
DiuxDium Casting Shadows	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:38:00 - [55] Originally by: Kriger Originally by: Montaire Mercs arent regulars, they are shock troops. To get MC to take a contract you need to have a plan, a stated goal, a measurment of success. They want to have some sort of achievable goal in mind. And no "DEAR GOD SAVE US" doesnt count, I know from experience. SO while you could hire them for 20b to "Take X, Y and Z. Bonus for A, B and C" You cant hire them with the goal of "Keep X off my back while I do Y" Do you actually believe that dribble urself? Its merely an excuse used by 'some' merc corps to refuse contracts that doesnt suit their political or strategic goals. Mercs by definition wouldnt normally give a rats *rse what they were payed to do, as long as they got payed well. This being a game, im sure most mercs would refuse do a 4 week mining contract so yes some contracts may be turned down due to the potential bore factor ;) However dont be so naive to assume that the whole phrase 'you need a plan' is nothing more than a convinient excuse, a 'get out of a contract offer with no explaination' for-free' card. That being said, i have no idea if MC were offered 100B isk to have a go at BoB, but it doesnt really matter. Even if MC may deny it, they are a political entity in their own right (which is fine and understandable, tho' oddly enough they seem to deny it and use 'excuses' like the above). Tbh id have much more respect for the MC guys if they just went balls out n spoke their minds, as in 'your contracts sux and we got better to do' or 'no way we are touching that one, we like our outposts'. By YOUR definition, mercs shouldn't do X. By my definition mercs should do X. By bill the science guy's definition, mercs are a property of Intertia.
Svett Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:41:00 - [56] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Kriger Tbh id have much more respect for the MC guys if they just went balls out n spoke their minds, as in 'your contracts sux and we got better to do' or 'no way we are touching that one, we like our outposts'. Umm... that's actually pretty accurate. Oh no you are advertising a Cyvok post in your sig!! THE RUMORS MSUT BE TRUE!!! SELEENE IS CYVOK!!!!
Kriger Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:44:00 - [57] Edited by: Kriger on 19/12/2006 09:49:39 Originally by: DiuxDium By YOUR definition, mercs shouldn't do X. By my definition mercs should do X. By bill the science guy's definition, mercs are a property of Intertia. That made very little sence, tho ammusing. My point is very simple, and as such should be quite comprehensible - ppl have motives, and act accordingly. MC do too. They just seem to deny it, using smokescreens like the above mentioned phrases. If you are trying to argue anything else - sry buddy then u r being a tad naive (no offence intended). .:: Kriger's gfx Factory ::.
RichThugster Gallente Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.19 10:08:00 - [58] Originally by: Gungankllr I do find it difficult to believe that considering the glaring inadequacies we were facing in the beginning of this conflict, combined with the loss of Paragon Soul that we wouldn't have brought MC on board. After all, I think at one point CYVOK just went down the list of available mercenaries and hired everybody that said yes. Hell we arent even listed as mercenaries, but Revelations was asked. I too personally find it very hard to believe that ASCN didnt ask MC. indeed MC stand to loose 4 outposts, however ASCN could have compensated that, and MC may have had been the turning point in the conflict. With MC, BOB would find it less easy to siege POS, and hence harder to take systems without POS spam. If MC had of got involved, ASCN may have survived, If ASCN survived on account of MC, they would A)be forever in their debt, B)happy to let MC suck their crok/ark until their little iterions were full to the brim. Hence meaning MC wouldnt need the 4 outposts or BOB space. anyways, too many "hence"s and "may"s for my liking REVELATIONS RECRUITING NOW
Enola Endymion x13	Posted - 2006.12.19 10:18:00 - [59] the worst kept secret in eve is that MC is nothing but a bunch of BoB pets...and they call themselfs 'true mercenaries' pff.. x13 Website ~ x13 Killboard ~ x13 Recruitment
Scharrer PPN United Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.19 10:31:00 - [60] Edited by: Scharrer on 19/12/2006 10:41:00 Edited by: Scharrer on 19/12/2006 10:36:55 Edited by: Scharrer on 19/12/2006 10:31:25 Mercs did evolve in time and there is one thing you could say about them.. evolution is a crutial theme to them.. cause bad mercs die!! mercs were first to be found in old greece when athen and sparta had their wars. the mercs of that time did offer them selfs on markets because they had no other way to earn money. but still they did have the choise of whoom to follow. they did decide for either the one paying best or the one who was thought to be successfull. why? well if you fight to have something to eat... to be able to live... you'd hate to step in a lost battle... later on in the time of the roman empire germanic tribes offered their service to different warlords and it were those who were the most successfull whom they'd chose to work for. a merc never was and still is no cashjunky who throws himself upon a knife for a few bucks. a merc allways needed and still needs hope if not even sureness just my 2p

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