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Aurora Morgan
Repracor Industries
48
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Posted - 2015.09.15 11:27:42 -
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Mr Onzo and myself would like to invite you to the second event of our series of events presenting teas and tea culture from all over New Eden.
This evening will be dedicated to exploring Achuran tea together with other tea enthusiasts.
In addition to tea we will also serve snacks, provide some light entertainment, and an introduction to Achuran tea culture.
Location: TBD, on Saturday, the 19th, 18:00 standard time.
You are all welcome, Aurora Morgan & Utari Onzo |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2016
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Posted - 2015.09.15 15:04:47 -
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I was little kid when we have left the home to never return back. I don't have many memories left from that time, but one of the most vivid of them is seeing through the window how the home planet becomes smaller and smaller and finally disappears into a tiny dot. Who knows, maybe I will remember something else to tell.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Artem Kaso
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2015.09.15 23:20:23 -
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I'll be there, no doubt. Love tea. |

Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
616
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Posted - 2015.09.16 01:58:51 -
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I haven't been Capsuleering in a few good few months, but I would've loved to come to this regardless! Even though I'm more of a coffee person myself, I've never seen anyone run any sort of Achur-themed cultural event before.
Unfortunately, it's dead in the middle of my rest cycle. Still, I wish you the best of luck and hope you receive a high attendance! |

Utari Onzo
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
682
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Posted - 2015.09.16 06:13:40 -
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I look forward to working with Ms Morgan once more and encourage all tea lovers to attend if they can.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Lasairiona Raske
Repracor Industries
203
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Posted - 2015.09.16 11:43:45 -
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I wish I could be there, but I have other commitments :-( |

Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
509
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Posted - 2015.09.16 21:21:59 -
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Do Caldari ever feel weird about drinking tea for pleasure given that Caldari also drink tea to commit suicide?
I mean, I'd feel kinda weird ordering tea from a Caldari restaurant.
Maybe only the Caldari bloodlines that come from Luminaire would have this problem. |

Jennifer Starfall
Chrysos Aigis
280
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Posted - 2015.09.17 00:04:27 -
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Nauplius wrote:Do Caldari ever feel weird about drinking tea for pleasure given that Caldari also drink tea to commit suicide?
I mean, I'd feel kinda weird ordering tea from a Caldari restaurant.
Tea is an important part of Caldari culture. It gives it structure. It's used for beginnings and endings, joinings and partings. And yes, it can even bring judgement.
It's no stranger than standing in the warmth of a sun that, if you fly too close, will surely burn you to plasma.
Jennifer Starfall
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Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
616
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Posted - 2015.09.17 00:34:31 -
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Nauplius wrote:Do Caldari ever feel weird about drinking tea for pleasure given that Caldari also drink tea to commit suicide?
I mean, I'd feel kinda weird ordering tea from a Caldari restaurant.
Maybe only the Caldari bloodlines that come from Luminaire would have this problem.
Achuran tea has about as much in common with Caldari tea as taking a bath does with standing in the middle of a tropical storm. |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5595
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Posted - 2015.09.17 01:51:47 -
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Gwen Ikiryo wrote:Nauplius wrote:Do Caldari ever feel weird about drinking tea for pleasure given that Caldari also drink tea to commit suicide?
I mean, I'd feel kinda weird ordering tea from a Caldari restaurant.
Maybe only the Caldari bloodlines that come from Luminaire would have this problem. Achuran tea has about as much in common with Caldari tea as taking a bath does with standing in the middle of a tropical storm.
The ingredient in Caldari tea that people seem so concerned about is a product of the evergreen Kresh tree. The Kresh tree was originally native only to the Caldari homeworld, where it was often the only green thing that survived the harshest of winters in a (semi) edible state.
Resistance to the toxin in Kresh became a pro-survival trait. Those who were especially susceptible to it certainly perished more quickly in winter - either from starvation or toxin induced suffocation. The rest of us inherited resistance and, I think, it was to retain that resistance that Kresh became a ritual part of our diet.
The Achuran people joined the State only much later and, therefore, whilst both of our cultures enjoy a lively interest in tea and tea-related ritual, they have never had occasion to acquire the immunity to it. Incidentally, the tea that you can buy in stores and that all Caldari are taught to prepare is the non-toxic variety. Only highly trained specialists are ever taught the tea that is the central component of the "Tea Maker Ceremony", where special tea and special preparation is used to raise the strength of the toxicity to the level that will kill even Caldari.
As a matter of course, Non-Caldari ought to avoid any product with the word "Kresh" in the title - even though most people can safely metabolise the amount of Kresh in a single cup of tea or an appetizer at a restaurant with little more effect than a splitting headache or a cough.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
711
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Posted - 2015.09.17 02:11:31 -
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Kresh reminds me of that spiny fish I had the misfortune of partaking last time I was in Dodixie.
It was a stupid dare.
As for tea, Dodixie has this tea shop with eye-watering selection of tea, though most of it are grown in Federation space. The tea leaves, from what I can tell, differs greatly from Achuran Evergreen or Kresh in that those are usually roasted black and are usually blended with some other herb or flowers or etc. Like coffee, soil and climate differences also seem to affect the flavour.
It is highly recommended to drink the tea with honey or sugar, and to complement the beverage with a selection of cakes or biscuits. The Feds are also very stringent about the water temperature, steeping time and etc, so much so they actually produced a gold standard guide to brewing team.
Very opulent, the Feds.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
617
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Posted - 2015.09.17 03:44:23 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Gwen Ikiryo wrote:Nauplius wrote:Do Caldari ever feel weird about drinking tea for pleasure given that Caldari also drink tea to commit suicide?
I mean, I'd feel kinda weird ordering tea from a Caldari restaurant.
Maybe only the Caldari bloodlines that come from Luminaire would have this problem. Achuran tea has about as much in common with Caldari tea as taking a bath does with standing in the middle of a tropical storm. The ingredient in Caldari tea that people seem so concerned about is a product of the evergreen Kresh tree. The Kresh tree was originally native only to the Caldari homeworld, where it was often the only green thing that survived the harshest of winters in a (semi) edible state. Resistance to the toxin in Kresh became a pro-survival trait. Those who were especially susceptible to it certainly perished more quickly in winter - either from starvation or toxin induced suffocation. The rest of us inherited resistance and, I think, it was to retain that resistance that Kresh became a ritual part of our diet. The Achuran people joined the State only much later and, therefore, whilst both of our cultures enjoy a lively interest in tea and tea-related ritual, they have never had occasion to acquire the immunity to it. Incidentally, the tea that you can buy in stores and that all Caldari are taught to prepare is the non-toxic variety. Only highly trained specialists are ever taught the tea that is the central component of the "Tea Maker Ceremony", where special tea and special preparation is used to raise the strength of the toxicity to the level that will kill even Caldari. As a matter of course, Non-Caldari ought to avoid any product with the word "Kresh" in the title - even though most people can safely metabolise the amount of Kresh in a single cup of tea or an appetizer at a restaurant with little more effect than a splitting headache or a cough.
I wasn't speaking against Caldari tea or making some sort of statement, Pieter, in case I gave you that impression. I was just saying it's strong, even the stuff that won't poison you a little. |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5595
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Posted - 2015.09.17 14:03:55 -
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Gwen Ikiryo wrote: I wasn't speaking against Caldari tea or making some sort of statement, Pieter, in case I gave you that impression. I was just saying it's strong, even the stuff that won't poison you a little.
My dear, I never thought so for a moment!
I just thought I'd let everyone know why, despite the similarities our two cultures share as pertaining to tea culture, there are several differences. I think a lot of people think Achura=Caldari so therefore Achuran tea = Caldari tea. That's obviously not true and so I explained why.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1409
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Posted - 2015.09.17 18:52:19 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The ingredient in Caldari tea that people seem so concerned about is a product of the evergreen Kresh tree. The Kresh tree was originally native only to the Caldari homeworld, where it was often the only green thing that survived the harshest of winters in a (semi) edible state.
Resistance to the toxin in Kresh became a pro-survival trait. Those who were especially susceptible to it certainly perished more quickly in winter - either from starvation or toxin induced suffocation. The rest of us inherited resistance and, I think, it was to retain that resistance that Kresh became a ritual part of our diet.
The Achuran people joined the State only much later and, therefore, whilst both of our cultures enjoy a lively interest in tea and tea-related ritual, they have never had occasion to acquire the immunity to it. Incidentally, the tea that you can buy in stores and that all Caldari are taught to prepare is the non-toxic variety. Only highly trained specialists are ever taught the tea that is the central component of the "Tea Maker Ceremony", where special tea and special preparation is used to raise the strength of the toxicity to the level that will kill even Caldari.
As a matter of course, Non-Caldari ought to avoid any product with the word "Kresh" in the title - even though most people can safely metabolise the amount of Kresh in a single cup of tea or an appetizer at a restaurant with little more effect than a splitting headache or a cough.
I thought the kresh toxicity was an urban legend... Is there anywhere I could look it up ? I mean, I could try to drink it to see for myself I guess...
But how could I know I am drinking the correct variant... ? Well if I die afterwise, I would be pretty certain though...
The only tea prepared out of very toxic elements I have read about is the Idama tea of the Intaki... |

Neph
Operation Meatshield Plexodus
112
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Posted - 2015.09.17 19:16:52 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The ingredient in Caldari tea that people seem so concerned about is a product of the evergreen Kresh tree. The Kresh tree was originally native only to the Caldari homeworld, where it was often the only green thing that survived the harshest of winters in a (semi) edible state.
Resistance to the toxin in Kresh became a pro-survival trait. Those who were especially susceptible to it certainly perished more quickly in winter - either from starvation or toxin induced suffocation. The rest of us inherited resistance and, I think, it was to retain that resistance that Kresh became a ritual part of our diet.
The Achuran people joined the State only much later and, therefore, whilst both of our cultures enjoy a lively interest in tea and tea-related ritual, they have never had occasion to acquire the immunity to it. Incidentally, the tea that you can buy in stores and that all Caldari are taught to prepare is the non-toxic variety. Only highly trained specialists are ever taught the tea that is the central component of the "Tea Maker Ceremony", where special tea and special preparation is used to raise the strength of the toxicity to the level that will kill even Caldari.
As a matter of course, Non-Caldari ought to avoid any product with the word "Kresh" in the title - even though most people can safely metabolise the amount of Kresh in a single cup of tea or an appetizer at a restaurant with little more effect than a splitting headache or a cough.
I thought the kresh toxicity was an urban legend... Is there anywhere I could look it up ? I mean, I could try to drink it to see for myself I guess... But how could I know I am drinking the correct variant... ? Well if I die afterwise, I would be pretty certain though... The only tea prepared out of very toxic elements I have read about is the Idama tea of the Intaki...
I drink kresh myself. Only weak kresh, however: full-strength doesn't appeal to me. Whether that's due to toxicity or the strength of the flavor, I'm not sure.
Our peoples have stared extinction in the eye; but we have spat in that eye and stood to fight with valor and undying loyalty to our culture and our kin. Our struggle is as one, so let us struggle together.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2021
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Posted - 2015.09.17 21:27:51 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The ingredient in Caldari tea that people seem so concerned about is a product of the evergreen Kresh tree. The Kresh tree was originally native only to the Caldari homeworld, where it was often the only green thing that survived the harshest of winters in a (semi) edible state.
Resistance to the toxin in Kresh became a pro-survival trait. Those who were especially susceptible to it certainly perished more quickly in winter - either from starvation or toxin induced suffocation. The rest of us inherited resistance and, I think, it was to retain that resistance that Kresh became a ritual part of our diet.
The Achuran people joined the State only much later and, therefore, whilst both of our cultures enjoy a lively interest in tea and tea-related ritual, they have never had occasion to acquire the immunity to it. Incidentally, the tea that you can buy in stores and that all Caldari are taught to prepare is the non-toxic variety. Only highly trained specialists are ever taught the tea that is the central component of the "Tea Maker Ceremony", where special tea and special preparation is used to raise the strength of the toxicity to the level that will kill even Caldari.
As a matter of course, Non-Caldari ought to avoid any product with the word "Kresh" in the title - even though most people can safely metabolise the amount of Kresh in a single cup of tea or an appetizer at a restaurant with little more effect than a splitting headache or a cough.
I thought the kresh toxicity was an urban legend... Is there anywhere I could look it up ? I mean, I could try to drink it to see for myself I guess... But how could I know I am drinking the correct variant... ? Well if I die afterwise, I would be pretty certain though... The only tea prepared out of very toxic elements I have read about is the Idama tea of the Intaki... As far as I know, it is rather potent neurotixin that was used rather broadly in ancient times as a combat toxin to poison blades, that ensured that the enemy dies even from a minor wound.
I am not really into poisons, but from I have heard,there is no really resistance to kresh - it kills any warmblood creature. Caldari probably have just an enzyme that metabolizes kresh toxin. But as you know, neurotoxins are acting rather fast and metabolism is a slow process. And with concentration growth rate of its toxic effect quickly overwhelms its decomposition.
Well, maybe I am confusing it with something, but I definitely sure that kresh was used as a combat weapon and was used to kill Caldari by Caldari.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5597
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Posted - 2015.09.17 21:39:29 -
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Lyn Farel wrote: I thought the kresh toxicity was an urban legend... Is there anywhere I could look it up ? I mean, I could try to drink it to see for myself I guess...
But how could I know I am drinking the correct variant... ? Well if I die afterwise, I would be pretty certain though...
The only tea prepared out of very toxic elements I have read about is the Idama tea of the Intaki...
I assure you that the toxicity of Kresh is quite well established. Feel free to look it up in any toxicology reference work. For anecdotal reports, simply check galnet under "Tea Maker Ceremony".
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1410
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Posted - 2015.09.17 22:10:38 -
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Well, I have many books and references at my disposal... I am simply failing to find any of the works you seem to mention, not find anything hinting anywhere at kresh toxicity.
I still think that this is a capsuleer created myth... Unless again, I am missing something. |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5597
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Posted - 2015.09.18 06:31:31 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Well, I have many books and references at my disposal... I am simply failing to find any of the works you seem to mention, not find anything hinting anywhere at kresh toxicity.
I still think that this is a capsuleer created myth... Unless again, I am missing something.
I'm at a loss how to.advise you better. Perhaps you had best take my word for it? My own reference works are very light on Minmatar tribal history, Ammarian scripture and other such subjects, but I don't feel the need to declare someone's cultural history to be a "capsuleer myth" and your doing so merely cements my opinion of you as something of a boor.
Go search harder?
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1410
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Posted - 2015.09.18 08:46:55 -
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The feeling is reciprocal sir. |

Anabella Rella
Gradient
2043
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Posted - 2015.09.18 19:03:21 -
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I think I'll pass on drinking Caldari or Achuran evergreen leaf tea. I hear the stuff is bitter with a "killer" aftertaste. 
When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5609
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Posted - 2015.09.18 19:47:09 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:I think I'll pass on drinking Caldari or Achuran evergreen leaf tea. I hear the stuff is bitter with a "killer" aftertaste. 
Achuran tea is, I believe, a lot less bitter than the Caldari brew. I also believe it is a taste that you'll actually survive the effort of trying to acquire. ;)
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
496
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Posted - 2015.09.18 19:51:14 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Well, I have many books and references at my disposal... I am simply failing to find any of the works you seem to mention, not find anything hinting anywhere at kresh toxicity.
I still think that this is a capsuleer created myth... Unless again, I am missing something. I'm at a loss how to.advise you better. Perhaps you had best take my word for it? My own reference works are very light on Minmatar tribal history, Ammarian scripture and other such subjects, but I don't feel the need to declare someone's cultural history to be a "capsuleer myth" and your doing so merely cements my opinion of you as something of a boor. Go search harder?
If I may briefly interject in the exchange between Neophyte Farel and Mr. Tuulinen, The Society (SFRIM) of course respects the cultural traditions and knowledge of our Caldari allies. Any inference otherwise from a brief offhand comment by a member is expressly denied.
Perhaps it might be worthwhile for Ms. Farel and Mr. Tuulinen to discuss whether Mr. Tuulinen might like to make a presentation as to Caldari tea and traditions at the upcoming New Eden Faire?
I for one have always found Mr. Tuulinen to be quite... charming. |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5609
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Posted - 2015.09.18 19:59:42 -
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Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Well, I have many books and references at my disposal... I am simply failing to find any of the works you seem to mention, not find anything hinting anywhere at kresh toxicity.
I still think that this is a capsuleer created myth... Unless again, I am missing something. I'm at a loss how to.advise you better. Perhaps you had best take my word for it? My own reference works are very light on Minmatar tribal history, Ammarian scripture and other such subjects, but I don't feel the need to declare someone's cultural history to be a "capsuleer myth" and your doing so merely cements my opinion of you as something of a boor. Go search harder? If I may briefly interject in the exchange between Neophyte Farel and Mr. Tuulinen, The Society (SFRIM) of course respects the cultural traditions and knowledge of our Caldari allies. Any inference otherwise from a brief offhand comment by a member is expressly denied. Perhaps it might be worthwhile for Ms. Farel and Mr. Tuulinen to discuss whether Mr. Tuulinen might like to make a presentation as to Caldari tea and traditions at the upcoming New Eden Faire? I for one have always found Mr. Tuulinen to be quite... charming.
I would certainly not presume to criticise SFRIM collectively on a charge of cultural insensitivity, Luna - especially not so soon after your mourning period for the Empress ended.
Sadly the New Eden faire will be arranged such that it is impossible for those who cannot enter Gallente space to attend, if I remember the original announcement. It is possible to gain access to illegally, but doing so whilst attending an official function as an exhibitor would require a man of more cunning and sleight-of-hand than I possess.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2024
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Posted - 2015.09.18 20:05:43 -
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Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote: I for one have always found Mr. Tuulinen to be quite... charming.
Oh, he is definitely a charmer. Especially when he wears ALL the clothes.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5609
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Posted - 2015.09.18 20:15:33 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote: I for one have always found Mr. Tuulinen to be quite... charming.
Oh, he is definitely a charmer. Especially when he wears ALL the clothes.
I promise I've never worn less than all the clothes when meeting with Ms Aspenstar.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
174
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Posted - 2015.09.18 21:17:03 -
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I do find myself wondering what Pieter's clothing has to do with tea |

Markus Error
Stillwater Corporation
86
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Posted - 2015.09.19 01:15:05 -
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Halcyon Ember wrote:I do find myself wondering what Pieter's clothing has to do with tea As do I...
As a matter of interest, I once did a basic chemical analysis of some (very) high-strength kresh tea. I and the research team at the lab came to the conclusion it would actually be an acceptable, if far less efficient, replacement for the neurotoxin used in capsule neurotransmission systems.
Well, provided it's brewed strong enough.
"If it cannot be shot the #### down, it can always be blown the #### up."
-Unknown
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
2025
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Posted - 2015.09.19 17:28:06 -
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Proper dressing is a part of the ceremony.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Aurora Morgan
Repracor Industries
56
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Posted - 2015.09.20 10:31:59 -
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I would like to thank everyone who attended, I had a good time, and I hope you did too. |
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