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Pwny McPwnerson
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Posted - 2007.01.31 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: Pwny McPwnerson on 31/01/2007 00:19:44 Has anyone tried completing this one yet since the patch? I've cleared out all the rats... is there a certain structure I should pew pew to try for an escalation?
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JellyBoX
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Posted - 2007.01.31 11:02:00 -
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no escalation, getting a bunch of weird messages in green.
"error error error" "Empty Hive" "error error error" "Empty Hive" "error error error" "Empty Hive" "error error error" "Empty Hive"
nothing happens after destroying the two "independence"
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BVB infinity
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Posted - 2007.02.05 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: JellyBoX no escalation, getting a bunch of weird messages in green.
"error error error" "Empty Hive" "error error error" "Empty Hive" "error error error" "Empty Hive" "error error error" "Empty Hive"
nothing happens after destroying the two "independence"
Same problem. Those messages appears just after killing spawned BS with strange names like "swarm ÷" or like...well, i don't even have such symbols in my unicode table =) P.S. after a new patch such exploration sites really dissapear...big progress =)
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Ludmilla Derik
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Posted - 2007.02.05 13:31:00 -
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Hi then you got unlucky and no esklation for you. we got also this message but after the first one a message poped up for the hole gang and the fun beguns. too bad we where unlucky after 30 jumps. at stage 4 we encountered a dead end ( fifth stage is the last one)
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Sitten Spynne
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.23 19:21:00 -
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Could someone look into this complex? It still seems to be pretty bugged.
I've run it twice with a buddy and both times the same thing happened. The first room goes fine, then we follow the gate into the second room. The second room spawns drone rats that put out a pretty good beating, and contains LOTS of structures, including at least 10 "Infested Station Ruins".
We killed the drone spawns, but several odd things happened. The first was that several times the message:
"ERROR ERROR ERROR empty hive"
would display in all open channels with green text (similar to some mission messages I've seen). At one point a popup message that looked like it was describing the complex popped up but I was pretty busy getting my face kicked in by drones so I had to close it without reading the whole thing.
Finally, the last drone was killed and I began to make my way towards the pile of ruins about as fast as my Raven would take me. I targeted a ruin, activated my analyzer, and the game tells me "You cannot use an analyzer on Infested Station Ruins". I tried it on 8 different ruins with the same result. I tried blowing up the ruins and they dropped nothing. We blew up 20-30 structures in the hopes that SOMETHING would drop loot, but nothing did. We flew randomly around for 20 minutes or so in an attempt to spawn more drones, but to no avail.
Could this get looked into or could we get hints as to what we are doing wrong? Personally I've kind of given up on exploration because it seems like every result I get is this complex and I refuse to run it since the effort required to destroy the drones is much greater than the reward gained from the compounds they drop. Also the "ERROR ERROR ERROR" messages seem to imply something has gone wrong with the scripting; it seems more like a test message a dev would leave in than something you'd display to the player. Perhaps the dev wasn't finished working on it but got distracted and it got put in anyway?
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Brixer
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Posted - 2007.02.23 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sitten Spynne At one point a popup message that looked like it was describing the complex popped up but I was pretty busy getting my face kicked in by drones so I had to close it without reading the whole thing.
Next time read the message or atleast accept the escalation 'offer'
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Sitten Spynne
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.24 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: Brixer Next time read the message or atleast accept the escalation 'offer'
Well from what I remember I had two choices: I had Yes or No or maybe it was OK or Cancel but it was definitely an obvious affirmative or negative and I chose the affirmative in the hopes it would be right. It is possibly one of the hardest NPC encounters I've been through and the message was accompanied by a new spawn so my mind was more on trying to balance shield booster usage against rapidly depleting capacitor. I suppose next time one of my exploration buddies finds it I'll twist their arm into running it again so we can test it further; I'll take screenshots this time.
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Felio
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Posted - 2007.02.28 06:30:00 -
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so if I didn't get the pop up or expedition mission I'm screwed?
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MaikAH
Caldari Radwar Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.02 07:55:00 -
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Edited by: MaikAH on 02/03/2007 07:51:53 Had it last night.
no popup at all, only those empty hive warnings. 1 drone container was not destroyable.
Any news about it?
maik
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Xelios
Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.03.02 10:34:00 -
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Even if Independence and the other drone complexes are working properly they're a long, long way from being worth doing. It takes me on average about 1 hour to scan it down and another 1-2 hours to finish it. I haven't had it or any other drone complex escalate yet. The amount of alloys you get is much less than 20 minutes of ratting in the belts would produce. The structures drop nothing, the containers are empty. The majority of the drones are named improperly (unicode symbols, all lower case, different drones with exactly the same name).
Really, I'm trying to find something good to say about them... but there just isn't anything good about them.
Maybe if they dropped a hauler spawn's worth of minerals (low end) they'd be worth looking for. Back in Stain we'd get haulers that dropped 27 mil trit, and you don't even have to look for those, they find you. A can with a cool 30 mil trit, or 10 mil pyer would make complexes like Independence well worth it in a region that's always short on low end mins. Or anywhere really, a corp/alliance can never have enough low ends to build with. 'Course it'd be a pain in the arse to have to haul that out of deadspace...
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Adderon San
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Posted - 2007.03.26 15:59:00 -
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Any more views / experience of running this? Is it worth the effort? Found it earlier and having read the thread I'm thinking I might just leave it.
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter. C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.03.26 23:46:00 -
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as a general rule, when im exploring, if the multispec probe returns "unknown" i move on to a different system and start again.
Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
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Zerglin
GalacTECH Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2007.03.27 04:41:00 -
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Still not interresting to do.
How much spawn appear in second level ? I finish first one, but when i see all these structure find this post and stop this plex.
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Brixer
Dai Dai Hai
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Posted - 2007.03.27 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Zerglin Still not interresting to do.
How much spawn appear in second level ? I finish first one, but when i see all these structure find this post and stop this plex.
No wonder there is a shortage of T2 salvage components. Some of the items goes for 30m a pop as nobody actually do these sites.
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Ryushe
JuBa Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.06 00:47:00 -
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Just found and entered this complex with a small gang. After killing all the drones, small and infested BS type, in the first and second stage of this complex, we got a message in all open chat channels stating 'Independence Lost'. After that, nothing happened. We blew up 'Independence', which seems to be a wreck of something built by drones. Still nothing happened. We blew up everything in sight, as per the advice of Eris (pew pew pew), and still nothing happened. There are two unstable wormholes in the second stage, which have a description hinting that something should be used to stabilize them and that they *might* lead somewhere, but whatever we tried, we couldn't get them to work. The drone drops are so-so, and for the rest so far it wasn't that interesting.
Overall, we're at a loss what to do here. I petitioned it and got a reply stating that there's a random chance that something might happen, or that we just reached a dead-end. Based on what I've read above, everyone then has had the bad luck of randomly nothing happening. I don't think something ever will happen; I think the complex is just bugged.
Any reply to this from a dev, gm or bughunter would be welcome...
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MeatwagonUK
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.05.21 11:04:00 -
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Anyone still bothering with these unknowns? I've never had any luck with em.
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Behedwin
RSP Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.05.27 10:53:00 -
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got this site and i wonder what it gives and what to do with it...
still no answers?
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GeorgeRDX
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Posted - 2007.05.29 19:04:00 -
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Hi,
I had the same site Unknown - Independence - Drones - 2 stages
In the first stage I had some frigate class drones, nothing more. The second stage had no drones, just structures. I killed all the easy structures and about half of the infested station ruins. I was solo just with my meganeutron blaster fitted domi - it took like 2 hours to kill those structures - and no loot drops, no escalation, no messages - nothing. Than I found this forum and stopped to do the site .
RDX
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moefugger
Gallente Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.27 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: GeorgeRDX Hi,
I had the same site Unknown - Independence - Drones - 2 stages
In the first stage I had some frigate class drones, nothing more. The second stage had no drones, just structures. I killed all the easy structures and about half of the infested station ruins. I was solo just with my meganeutron blaster fitted domi - it took like 2 hours to kill those structures - and no loot drops, no escalation, no messages - nothing. Than I found this forum and stopped to do the site .
RDX
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Rawthorm
Gallente The Establishment Establishment
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Posted - 2007.06.28 02:30:00 -
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I've done a few drone exploration sites and they do work, just you have to get lucky with the escalation paths.
Saddly their worth is tragicaly poor. Drone commanders drop nothing...ever and if you make it all the way to the end and kill the overseer, it drops a sizeable amount of T2 salvage (4-10 of most components, tho saddly no cap consoles with 50-80 of each circuit type)
While nice to build a few rigs, its quite dis-proportionate compared to say a Guristas site which has a chance of Dread Guristas loot on each level and a Pith X-Type module at the end. (Especaily as you get no ISK and its not viable to pick up the poorly reduced rouge drone minerals all over the gallaxy as your travel about)
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perfeus
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2007.06.30 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: perfeus on 30/06/2007 23:10:24 Just did the independence run, 3 levels, blew up 2 independence structures, nothin happens. Blew up the drone bunkers, nothing. Blew up 1 of the infested station ruins. Nothing. Blew up the regular bunkers........................ nothing.
Honestly, what exploration sites both work AND are worth doing?
All I read (and experience) is bugged explorations, no escalations, or simply not worth the time to do (IE, less isk then just ratting for 1 hour).
Seeing as this is supposed to be a profession, takes a good amount of skills to accomplish you would think there would be some fun or some profit (or god forbid both).
But sitting for hours watching a countdown for scan results, wasting dozens of probes on stupid "unknowns" that could just as easily be found with the onboard shipscanner and are pretty worthless imo and rarely (and this is truly rarely) finding sites that are not unknown.
To be honest so far I consider the time I have spent on training the skills needed on exploration to be completely wasted and could have been far better spent on something else. Further I view the time waiting to see if there is something in the system with the multispecs a complete waste of time as well.
Some things I would change...
1) Reduce the scan time for the multispecs. Sitting and waiting in a ton of systems to determine if there is something in the site to begin is pretty boring. Increase the time for other probes such as quest if needed.
2) Give some differentiating information with the multispecs for the Unknowns. Is it a plex, an encounter (IE, can be found with the onboard scanner) or is it truly exploration??
3) COMMUNICATE. Just because a site has a "chance based" escalation doesnt mean that you cannot communicate that the escalation is not going to occur. Take for instance the independence spawn. So I guess from reading that when I ran it, it decided not to escalate?? Is this in fact the case, it would be nice if we got some message simply stating that the escalation for whatever reason didnt occur so we know the site is not bugged.
For now I will just continue to ignore all unknowns and will probably just give up on exploration all together until some serious enhancements are made.
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Metaller
Ocean Dynamics Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.01 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: perfeus Edited by: perfeus on 30/06/2007 23:10:24
3) COMMUNICATE. Just because a site has a "chance based" escalation doesnt mean that you cannot communicate that the escalation is not going to occur. Take for instance the independence spawn. So I guess from reading that when I ran it, it decided not to escalate?? Is this in fact the case, it would be nice if we got some message simply stating that the escalation for whatever reason didnt occur so we know the site is not bugged.
There is this message you are talking about. check the posts above!!!
Its the "empty hive" message, or for other plexes any other message that pops up in all of your chat windows.
When you get that message, youll get a chance of an expedition. In some plexes you get this messages more than once, so you have more than one chance of letting it escalate .
That you didnt get any of theses messages means you havent found the final trigger, and your post tells me even where you missed it! Dont shoot anything on sight. Some triggers work only if you are close to an object!
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perfeus
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2007.07.01 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Metaller
Originally by: perfeus Edited by: perfeus on 30/06/2007 23:10:24
3) COMMUNICATE. Just because a site has a "chance based" escalation doesnt mean that you cannot communicate that the escalation is not going to occur. Take for instance the independence spawn. So I guess from reading that when I ran it, it decided not to escalate?? Is this in fact the case, it would be nice if we got some message simply stating that the escalation for whatever reason didnt occur so we know the site is not bugged.
There is this message you are talking about. check the posts above!!!
Its the "empty hive" message, or for other plexes any other message that pops up in all of your chat windows.
When you get that message, youll get a chance of an expedition. In some plexes you get this messages more than once, so you have more than one chance of letting it escalate .
That you didnt get any of theses messages means you havent found the final trigger, and your post tells me even where you missed it! Dont shoot anything on sight. Some triggers work only if you are close to an object!
Makes sense. I saw one post from a Dev where she (he) said pew pew, and others got the message after shooting stuff. I approached the independence and the ruined stations but never got a message so not exactly sure what I did wrong, but oh well. Thanks for the heads up though.
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Alerce
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Posted - 2007.07.01 22:37:00 -
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Got the message in second level, that we were on the mainhive, but none of the spawns dropped anything, other then simple alloys in less quantities then belt rats and the salvaged parts were also in less quantity and not even for t2 rigs.
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djenghis jan
Amarr Debiloff's Vanguard
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Posted - 2007.07.02 12:14:00 -
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Yeah same here, did the drone plexes in a drake, after some escalation found drone bunkers and a hauler, nothing there, i had to fly back through lowsec with charges amd missiles near depletion. All i did bring back was some drone alloys that were worth zip. Anyway i will keep at it in hope somebody starts debugging this profession :-)
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Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2007.07.07 07:34:00 -
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/bump for a broken exploration site
Found this site in R4K. Found some frigate class drones in the first room. Nothing in the second. Blew up as many structures as I could reasonably kill without going insane from boredom, nothing happened.
I know you guys want to have sites with interesting triggers, but this is a pretty big failure (or horribly broken, or both). It's just tedious having some sort of weird hidden trigger that no one can figure out. It's one thing if it is part of the natural progression through the site, but having the thing be pretty much empty is just too vague. ----------------------------------------------------
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Loedem
Minmatar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.07.23 04:31:00 -
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Originally by: Farrellus Cameron /bump for a broken exploration site
Found this site in R4K. Found some frigate class drones in the first room. Nothing in the second. Blew up as many structures as I could reasonably kill without going insane from boredom, nothing happened.
I know you guys want to have sites with interesting triggers, but this is a pretty big failure (or horribly broken, or both). It's just tedious having some sort of weird hidden trigger that no one can figure out. It's one thing if it is part of the natural progression through the site, but having the thing be pretty much empty is just too vague.
I've come across this one too on the second plex. There was a warning sign about 60km off that basically read "Watch out for the sign." As we approached it a trigger went off and spawned a bunch of drones which then lead us to the rest of the expedition (another 4 systems...which at the end was ridiculously tough and hardly worth the time spent)
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Jaron
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Posted - 2007.08.15 17:49:00 -
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Found independence. secong stage spawned a bunch more drones at some point... had to warp out/back 2 times... at some point i got a message saying in green: Drone signal: independence lost but this without me shooting at the independences... after that... i kept looting all bs's... shooting some stuff, the independences... nuthin worked... nuthing dropped that thing needed to get through the wormhole...
Your sensors show readings of the chart when you aim them at this peculiar phenomenon. From what little information you can gather you surmise that a stabling mechanism of some sort is needed for it to be safe to venture through the wormhole.
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Metaller
Ocean Dynamics Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.15 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jaron Found independence. secong stage spawned a bunch more drones at some point... had to warp out/back 2 times... at some point i got a message saying in green: Drone signal: independence lost but this without me shooting at the independences... after that... i kept looting all bs's... shooting some stuff, the independences... nuthin worked... nuthing dropped that thing needed to get through the wormhole...
Your sensors show readings of the chart when you aim them at this peculiar phenomenon. From what little information you can gather you surmise that a stabling mechanism of some sort is needed for it to be safe to venture through the wormhole.
there is nothing to find out with the wormholes, its just there to look at. And you dont need to shoot the independences. they are also just for looking at.
That message you got means you finished the plex, if there are no more other npc ships there, grab the loot and get out as you are finished, dont waste any more time. you just have been unlucky and gotten no expedition
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Ahk'Mehd
Gallente Wraith Fleet
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Posted - 2007.08.25 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Ahk''Mehd on 25/08/2007 19:52:48 is there a reason why I can not bring my Viator in to haul these minerals out of the complex?
every other ship under the sun can go in... but not my t2 hauler...
what gives?!
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