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Te'Tra Yail Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:15:00 - [1] Myself and corp have decided to setup a medium POS in 0,0 as we feel our carrier is not readily available enough to provide full support to our NPC'rs... We are nott interested in moon mining. We simply want a Medium POS for storing loot/ammo/mods for storage and refining before jumping back to Empire and also for the obvious SS/changing out ships mods etc What i am after is a suggestion for the 'best' Tower/setup for the above ? I have read some articles and looked through it all but seems best i should play on SiSi first as a test? thanks!
Te'Tra Yail Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:17:00 - [2] Sorry, seems as though the system in mind has Thick Blue Ice In its ice belts... Would that affect which tower? thx!
franny Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:21:00 - [3] umm, there are only so many choices, you elminated mining parts, I assume no need for a refinery that leaves Tower weapons corp hanger arrays ship maint array maybe some hardeners or ewar batterys CEO - PKKP Recruitment
franny Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:22:00 - [4] Originally by: Te'Tra Yail Sorry, seems as though the system in mind has Thick Blue Ice In its ice belts... Would that affect which tower? thx! were you planning on mining and refining it?, or just adding ice products to the imports? CEO - PKKP Recruitment
Te'Tra Yail Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:22:00 - [5] Originally by: franny umm, there are only so many choices, you elminated mining parts, I assume no need for a refinery that leaves Tower weapons corp hanger arrays ship maint array maybe some hardeners or ewar batterys I stated that i wanted refining :) ...and yes i know what modules are available thank you for listing them though...
Te'Tra Yail Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:22:00 - [6] Originally by: franny Originally by: Te'Tra Yail Sorry, seems as though the system in mind has Thick Blue Ice In its ice belts... Would that affect which tower? thx! were you planning on mining and refining it?, or just adding ice products to the imports? For fuel for the POS i assumed?
franny Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:28:00 - [7] Originally by: Te'Tra Yail Originally by: franny Originally by: Te'Tra Yail Sorry, seems as though the system in mind has Thick Blue Ice In its ice belts... Would that affect which tower? thx! were you planning on mining and refining it?, or just adding ice products to the imports? For fuel for the POS i assumed? no, to feed to your cats, yes for the pos blue ice is Gallente racial, so gallente tower if you plan on mining and refining it which means you need a small refinery(for the ice) which also then forces the question, will you be mining the ore too?, if so you need a medium intensive refinery CEO - PKKP Recruitment
Carniflex Caldari StarHunt	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:32:00 - [8] Small refinery is sufficent for ice refining. If you want to refine minerals also I would suggest to upgrade to large tower and using large refinery. While medium refinery has also 75% max yeld it's cargo space is very limited and it's not enough to refine for any serious mining operation in 0.0 (one Covertor can outmine it's refining capabilities). If you just plan to do small mining every now and then then medium refinery might do the trick also altho it's a bit irritating to use bcos of it's small capacity. For the setup. Assume that you will keep refinery offline when it's not used so I would go for regular setup filling the grid with defencive capabilites. First off - no POS can defend itself alone against any attack where attackers know what they are doing. So set it up so that it supports your defence gang. So - some warp scramblers / disruptors, corp hangar and ship maintenance array, perhaps sensor dampener or two if you have some resources left after fitting guns and a lot of guns. Medium ones are quite good (reasonable fire focusing / signature radius relation) making life miserable enough for battleships and putting out enough dps to help take down their dreadnaughts if you NOS them dry. Throw in few hardeners for lowest resists and some small guns also and it shall take some effort to remove it. Oh - and mix damage types. If you do only 2 damage types you will be too easy to tank.
Te'Tra Yail Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:38:00 - [9] OK and a med intensive will do for refining the NPC mods/loot that the NPC'ers scoop also? Is there a 'better' tower? Not sure if it is worth mining the ice in system tbh. How much time/effort would it really take my poor miners to fuel the POS compared to jumping fuel in from Emp? ATM i am looking at - Medium Control Tower Medium Intensive Refinery Corporate Hangar Array Ship Maintenance Array Have to buil defences around that i guess
Te'Tra Yail Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:42:00 - [10] Thx for info Carniflex. When you say mix dmg types, you mean fit 1 Project turret and 1 hyrbid and 1 launcher for example?
Carniflex Caldari StarHunt	Posted - 2006.12.19 09:56:00 - [11] 'Mix damage types' is that you do EM, Thermal, Kin and Exp damage types. It is possible to get in several ways. First of them is ofcource use projectile turrets. Second possiblity is launchers. As Gallente tower (assuming you would go for it) has somewhat low powergrid but reasonable CPU launchers might be better option altho be aware that unlike guns launchers use CPU and go offline when your POS gets reinforced. It's up to personal preference. Main point is that you would not do only kin/thermal or EM/thermal (on amarr) or it gets too easy to tank your damage. And unforntunately you can not refine NPC loot in refining arrays. Only drone alloys (in new regions) can be refined in there in addition to ore and ice. Ice mining. It is worth for strontsium and liquid ozone - for isotopes I would go for empire market as they are really not worth mining in 0.0 unless you have really dedicated ice mining wing. So in that regard it's not important really what kind of tower will you go as it would be reasonable to import isotopes anyway. For armed safespots Minrmatar and Amarr ones thend to be the best (more powergrid for guns) altho Amarr one is a bit low on CPU. Dark glitter ice can be as profitable as mining crokite if you do it in Tech 2 barge and dont get interrupted often (and dont have to haul far as ice products are rather bulky).
franny Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2006.12.19 10:08:00 - [12] Originally by: Te'Tra Yail Originally by: franny umm, there are only so many choices, you elminated mining parts, I assume no need for a refinery that leaves Tower weapons corp hanger arrays ship maint array maybe some hardeners or ewar batterys I stated that i wanted refining :) ...and yes i know what modules are available thank you for listing them though... you also said for your npc'ers which as was pointed out you can't refine rat loot at a POS, semi sure it's in the manual points at the sticky so refinery + npc'ers = no need CEO - PKKP Recruitment
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2006.12.19 11:11:00 - [13] Originally by: franny no, to feed to your cats, yes for the pos LOL
Socket Toomey	Posted - 2007.02.13 19:47:00 - [14] Medium tower will be enough as I'm sure you noticed it takes time to collect the drone alloys to refine. Plus the alloys are compressed so hauling them out is better than refine in 0.0. Set your carrier up with 2 expanded haulers and haul your fuel in. Your corp members are much better put to use ratting than ice mining. Trust me it's worth the cost of buying your fuel. A ship main array is good for when the carrier is gone. Also you may want an ammo array to use the mins you refine from the low end alloys plus it helps with restocking. A drone array also if you use lots of drones. Then just what ever defenses you want.
Socket Toomey	Posted - 2007.02.13 19:49:00 - [15] Originally by: franny Originally by: Te'Tra Yail Originally by: franny umm, there are only so many choices, you elminated mining parts, I assume no need for a refinery that leaves Tower weapons corp hanger arrays ship maint array maybe some hardeners or ewar batterys It's in drone space you can refine their alloys at a POS. I stated that i wanted refining :) ...and yes i know what modules are available thank you for listing them though... you also said for your npc'ers which as was pointed out you can't refine rat loot at a POS, semi sure it's in the manual points at the sticky so refinery + npc'ers = no need

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