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Tappits
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Posted - 2015.09.21 10:32:20 -
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Rowells wrote:Anneka Rice wrote:Nope Shield caps don't need them. shield caps all ready tank way more than armor and for the most part have more EHP so why do we need to change that? all shield capitals? are you sure about that?
The Caldari ones tank more than the Amarr ones (tank bonus's) and the Minmatar ones have more ehp than the Gallente ones (support/DPS bonus's) so yes seems fine to me.
Shield caps are harder to fit, armor fits can be done on the cheap were as shield needs isk to make them worth it.. but when you don't fit your capital ship like a scrub like its a T1 cruiser hull they are very good.
Phoenix is the highest tanking dread and also the best at blaping right now. The nag is used alot in WH space with both armor and shield fits, Chimera Has the largest Active tank in the game and can have cap stable tanks above 30k dps if fitted right and 60k+ Burst tanks. Wyvern has the 2nd largest EHP's after the Leviathan both of which are more than any thing else in the game.
Levi has coolest DD in the game now and is also 2nd fastest after the rag, the rag haveing the best DD for killing armor supers is the fastest and also has more EHP than one of the other Armor titans. Nidhoggur is the best at RR'ing (quickly saving something like a pos) and has pretty much same tank as a nice fit archon if you spend some isk on it. and the Hel's are the only thing that can get close to a gang of wyverns in terms of active tanking each other while also been the fastest caps in the game.
So erm yer We don't need your help CCP plez don't mess with us..... |
Tappits
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Posted - 2015.09.22 08:04:29 -
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TrickyBlackSteel wrote:Yes they do,but they depend way more on capacitor than armor ones,i mean their capacitor going down faster than armor ones
It matters not if there Active Tanked Cruser Hac T3 BS Cap, the shield tanks all ways uses more cap than the armor tanks but they also tank a lot more. And with Caps its all ready been balanced that implants don't work.
They should deffo Boost T2 BS Armor tanks tho as they are pretty useless compared to there shield versions if you would like to change something change that. |
Tappits
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Posted - 2015.09.22 11:53:11 -
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Haatakan Reppola wrote:afkalt wrote:I'm inclined to believe PL when it comes to cap/super theorycraft tbh. They say shield work better but keep increasing their armor capital numbers. If shields were realy as good as they say there is no way they would stick to armor for so many years. So if we trust the theorycrafters in PL, armor capital is the way to go!
How can we swap now? like really how... do you know some one who would like to swap 2000 armor caps 400 armor supers and 150 armor titans for shield ones......if you can find some one who is willing to swap convo me. you have no idea wtf you are on about so plz stfu. |
Tappits
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Posted - 2015.09.23 11:48:52 -
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Haatakan Reppola wrote:So you have around 850+ shield caps, 170+ shield supers and 60+ shield titans (going by numbers provided by PL people in this thread).
Thats 3.4 FULL fleets of capital ships + almost a full fleet of titan/SC, yet armor is what is used...
The numbers were just ball park random numbers. Its not a 70/30 split its a bit random, we have more shield titans than shield supers we have more shield dreads than shield carriers think we have more Aeons than we have Titans and all other supers put together shield and armor. we have more archons than any other cap prob 4 to 1 in reality. We have lots of things more than most and we prob have more shield supers in PL than any other single alliance and we don't even have an official shield super fleet.
Regardless of numbers we cannot practicably swap everything over and its not realty worth it for us at this point when we have the numbers we have anyway. they can be better but its not that much better at the numbers PL fields and no one cares about the "what if" B-R mk2 happens... Shield makes sense in the small number game as you can have 20 wyvern's vs 30 isk nyx's and win with maybe 1-2 losses max but when your dropping 50-100-200 supers on stuff and if some one can counter you TANKS are a bit irreverent when dread bombs can alpha all supers when in the max sized fleet of caps range of fighting....
But this is all off topic of shield active tanked caps
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Tappits
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Posted - 2015.09.24 07:49:03 -
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Rowells wrote:
You have somehow missed all the points I made in that post, and managed to infuse something that I never said, nor do I think I implied. Congratulations.
Yes you would like everything to be smooth and balanced against each other so everything is the same... But People like the wacky in eve and making everything comparable to each other is boring. what is wrong with having a ship with 4x+ the tank of there armor versions (marauders) or only one ship in its class having damage bonus (nyx) or having 90% of the time useless bonuses (hel RR bonus) or something been the FOTM (everything at some point) its just with caps it takes longer for the meta to change and swap and filter down to the rest of eve because most people in eve don't fly caps and those that do most do a pos kill op every month and that's it. |
Tappits
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Posted - 2015.09.25 07:33:11 -
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Luscius Uta wrote:As if a Phoenix can't tank enough DPS...not supporting the idea. Nevertheless, the fact that there are no good implant sets for shield capitals (even though some people will mention nomads and ascendancies, I consider those to be niche implants that are useless in most capital fleet fights) remains to be a problem. We need shield version of the slave set, which should be added to few Caldari LP stores. Similarly, we need implant sets for every empire faction. I suggest the following bonuses:
- Amarr: Capacitor amount
- Minmatar: Scan resolution
- Gallente: Targeting range or something Drone-related, like hitpoints or control range
Naturally, they should be weaker than the pirate implant sets and come without a high-grade version. 20-25% bonus from shield slave set should be enough.
You cannot just randomly add something like this to the game just because you think shield caps NEED SOME SPECIAL IMPLANT SET (which they don't) because it will totally screw the balance on every ship in eve. I am just glad we have Ex PL Devs work on game balance because all you lot seem to know zero about it. |
Tappits
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Posted - 2015.09.25 08:23:29 -
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Luscius Uta wrote:Oh, right. Because the devs never broke anything else when they do their "rebalancing" changes.
If you don't think a 20-25% bonus to cap amount implant could make loads of things OP or the other guys idea of 50% cycle time on reps is not OP i don't know what to say. |
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