The only way for your skill points to be wasted is if you choose not to make use of them.

If you choose not to fly your dream ship until you have GÇ£skilled upGÇ¥, and only then figure out that you don't want to fly it for one reason or another, then that's time you choose to not use wisely.

If you choose a particular ship as your goal, it's rather on you to make sure that this is a reasonable choice for what you actually enjoy doing. Note: not what you imagine you will enjoy GÇö what you actually enjoy.

In the same vein, just because you choose to pick a particular ship as some kind of personal end goal does not mean that its position as an end goal is in any way an objective, absolute, or universal and unassailable truth, nor is it something that can (or even should) be taken into consideration for balancing the game and adding some variety to the gameplay.



GǪthere's a pretty consistent theme to all of this; let's see if you can spot it.

No, no, it's all somebody else's fault, don't you know?

It's not like there are consequences to making bad decisions or failing to adapt in EVE. I mean, that would be ludicrous.

So i made a bad decision while training for my titan, and training drones? 14m SP to then a year later have my 600m3 drone bay removed?

But i can still use my 14m SP right? Let me just leave my titan at this pos...

So i made a bad decision while training for my titan, and training drones? 14m SP to then a year later have my 600m3 drone bay removed?

But i can still use my 14m SP right?

IGÇÖve started playing this game when the mighty Drake BC was invented. I was impressed with the games-size and amount of possibilities that EVE had to offer. If I knew than what was CCP going to do with this game I would have never started. However I had no idea about the future events so IGÇÖve started my adventureGǪ

I was very excited, my adventure started as a highsec minerGǪ After two weeks I got banned! Someone wrote a ticket that my characters are probably mining bots (I even had no idea that such thing exists). After sending lots of e-mails to CCP Support IGÇÖve found out that they see no reason to unban me. Someone wrote to me on local chat and got no answer from me GÇô it was the reason and a proof that I must be some kind of a bad bot! Finally I got my account unbanned GÇô I just thought that I must have been some really bad misunderstanding GÇô now I think that I should quit the game than and never come back.

My second idea for this game was to skill Tengu and start carrier as a mission runner. After six months my patience was rewarded GÇô I finally had my super ship: Tengu with full missile skills. I was very impressed when I saw it killing all the rats and every mission was like a piece of cake. For the seven months old player it was really great thing. My happiness did not last longGǪ CCP decided to nerf the missiles and Tengu itself! I was pissed off GÇô it was like 90% annoyment factor! It was the second reason and sign to quit this gameGǪ But again IGÇÖve decided to continue my adventure and skill a mighty carrier.

So I have skilled carriers and supercarriers for the next two years GÇô to be able to use their full potential. After that time my happiness was undermined againGǪ CCP decided to change the jump drive possibilities. I thought GÇô OK, I will survive it. Then again they have decided to nerf the fighters and finally nerfed the carriers DPS. CCP claimed and still claims that supercapitals require balancing but still not yetGǪ Sometime in a distant future (is it some kind of a bad joke?!?). It was the answer to many forum posts straight from CCP.

IGÇÖve started thinking again about this whole game. Is it like there is a bunch of idiots working at CCP offices? You do not kill mobs in this game to level-up, you spend months on skilling to be better, faster, wiser and more dangerous. For all the things that CCP had nerfed, should give back or give some free skill points to each of victims that wasted lots of time on capital skills.

One of the interesting things about the fighters nerf (which not everyone knows of) is that fighters were planned to behave like usual drones. CCP did the change few hours before the patch deployment. They have simply removed whole code. The fighters nerf was created as a response to people crying about their OP-capabilities. IGÇÖm just wonderingGǪ Because lots of people do cry about tons of other things and CCP still ignores them. Example: cloaky campers demanding a payment to go away. For five years CCP did nothing about them GÇô it looks like they just ignore that fact. Some other interesting things happened in JulyGǪ Servers were down (again) and people were happy that CCP gave them 50k skillpoints GÇô for almost 24 hours of offline servers, personally I do not think it was fair enough.

Promises of new player buildable stargates, walkable stations interiors etcGǪ Sometimes we were able to see some mighty-vision during fanfests. We all heard about them years ago and not much really happened since then.

CCP and their financial troubles surely have impact on this game. But why they were unable to release the inefficient employees, which proved only stupid answers or ideas. I am sure that the EVE players society would approve such a drastic moves GÇô with a hope to save this game, that the EVE universe will continue. Implementing a monthly patches was a bad move GÇô I do not experience GÇ£wowGÇ¥ effect when they are deployed. They do not change that much and usually nerf old good things. It was better when we anticipated the new patch twice or even once per year. At least we were able to see the results of a hard work made by CCP employees.

I think we could all sum-up our current game state as: pay CCP lots of $$$, skill your dream-ship for the next three years and after the years spent on learning you will find out that it is useless GÇô because during that time it was nefred five times! In my opinion CCPGÇÖs politic is to discourage old players, they should post on their page: 5 YEARS OLD ACCOUNTS GÇô QUIT AND GO AWAY! Nowadays PvP consists usually of frigates, destroyers and cruisers (as capitals?). They could easily remove all bigger ships GÇô erase everything above cruisers. Simplify the game? Sure letGÇÖs make a new Minesweeper or Pinball. Artificial new skills? Yes GÇô letGÇÖs divide Battlecruisers and DestroyersGǪ Oh no, it already happened!

So i made a bad decision while training for my titan, and training drones? 14m SP to then a year later have my 600m3 drone bay removed?

But i can still use my 14m SP right? Let me just leave my titan at this pos...

Most of what you said is spot on.

I started in 2008 and have seen nothing but nerf after nerf of all my favorite things about this game.

Same as usual.

CCP nerfs something a little to bring it in line with other stuff and people rant like their dog just got poisoned. As if (insert something) has gone from super awesome to absolutely useless just by something like a 5% dps nerf.

Your carrier jump range got nerfed? Awesome, now you can actually use that carrier without someone dropping a cap fleet on you from halfway accross the galaxy.

Learn to see the positive things and dont rant about nerfs.

The only way for your skill points to be wasted is if you choose not to make use of them.

If you choose not to fly your dream ship until you have GÇ£skilled upGÇ¥, and only then figure out that you don't want to fly it for one reason or another, then that's time you choose to not use wisely.

If you choose a particular ship as your goal, it's rather on you to make sure that this is a reasonable choice for what you actually enjoy doing. Note: not what you imagine you will enjoy GÇö what you actually enjoy.

In the same vein, just because you choose to pick a particular ship as some kind of personal end goal does not mean that its position as an end goal is in any way an objective, absolute, or universal and unassailable truth, nor is it something that can (or even should) be taken into consideration for balancing the game and adding some variety to the gameplay.



GǪthere's a pretty consistent theme to all of this; let's see if you can spot it.

Dont worry about the fanboy responses, they always come out of the wood work when they smell an opportunity to look like a hero.Most of what you said is spot on.I started in 2008 and have seen nothing but nerf after nerf of all my favorite things about this game.I have gone from logging in for hours at a time to making myself log in for a few minutes these days.

I don't worry about the bittervet responses. I do wonder why bittervets pay to play a game they complain so bitterly and constantly about, however.

The more posts I read by you, the more I like you. I think we just became best friends. Well, your side will be under duress, but... let us not worry about the finer details.

TLDR plz

everyone understands your pain. the problem we ccp is when they see something becoming op and over powered when it's being used in large fleets for example slow cats 250+ carriers with sentries the nerf it (quite rightly of course) but they forget about the solo list or the small gang that it affects and to them the changes are significant especially if you have been training a while for them. nerfs and buffs are determined on how large fleets use ships.and not the individual and that's wrong to me and unfair

Tippia is responsible for every problem in EVE or something.

They nerf according to group play in a MMO. Shocking!!!

IGÇÖve started playing this game when the mighty Drake BC was invented. I was impressed with the games-size and amount of possibilities that EVE had to offer. If I knew than what was CCP going to do with this game I would have never started. However I had no idea about the future events so IGÇÖve started my adventureGǪ

I was very excited, my adventure started as a highsec minerGǪ After two weeks I got banned! Someone wrote a ticket that my characters are probably mining bots (I even had no idea that such thing exists). After sending lots of e-mails to CCP Support IGÇÖve found out that they see no reason to unban me. Someone wrote to me on local chat and got no answer from me GÇô it was the reason and a proof that I must be some kind of a bad bot! Finally I got my account unbanned GÇô I just thought that I must have been some really bad misunderstanding GÇô now I think that I should quit the game than and never come back.

My second idea for this game was to skill Tengu and start carrier as a mission runner. After six months my patience was rewarded GÇô I finally had my super ship: Tengu with full missile skills. I was very impressed when I saw it killing all the rats and every mission was like a piece of cake. For the seven months old player it was really great thing. My happiness did not last longGǪ CCP decided to nerf the missiles and Tengu itself! I was pissed off GÇô it was like 90% annoyment factor! It was the second reason and sign to quit this gameGǪ But again IGÇÖve decided to continue my adventure and skill a mighty carrier.

So I have skilled carriers and supercarriers for the next two years GÇô to be able to use their full potential. After that time my happiness was undermined againGǪ CCP decided to change the jump drive possibilities. I thought GÇô OK, I will survive it. Then again they have decided to nerf the fighters and finally nerfed the carriers DPS. CCP claimed and still claims that supercapitals require balancing but still not yetGǪ Sometime in a distant future (is it some kind of a bad joke?!?). It was the answer to many forum posts straight from CCP.

IGÇÖve started thinking again about this whole game. Is it like there is a bunch of idiots working at CCP offices? You do not kill mobs in this game to level-up, you spend months on skilling to be better, faster, wiser and more dangerous. For all the things that CCP had nerfed, should give back or give some free skill points to each of victims that wasted lots of time on capital skills.

One of the interesting things about the fighters nerf (which not everyone knows of) is that fighters were planned to behave like usual drones. CCP did the change few hours before the patch deployment. They have simply removed whole code. The fighters nerf was created as a response to people crying about their OP-capabilities. IGÇÖm just wonderingGǪ Because lots of people do cry about tons of other things and CCP still ignores them. Example: cloaky campers demanding a payment to go away. For five years CCP did nothing about them GÇô it looks like they just ignore that fact. Some other interesting things happened in JulyGǪ Servers were down (again) and people were happy that CCP gave them 50k skillpoints GÇô for almost 24 hours of offline servers, personally I do not think it was fair enough.

Promises of new player buildable stargates, walkable stations interiors etcGǪ Sometimes we were able to see some mighty-vision during fanfests. We all heard about them years ago and not much really happened since then.

CCP and their financial troubles surely have impact on this game. But why they were unable to release the inefficient employees, which proved only stupid answers or ideas. I am sure that the EVE players society would approve such a drastic moves GÇô with a hope to save this game, that the EVE universe will continue. Implementing a monthly patches was a bad move GÇô I do not experience GÇ£wowGÇ¥ effect when they are deployed. They do not change that much and usually nerf old good things. It was better when we anticipated the new patch twice or even once per year. At least we were able to see the results of a hard work made by CCP employees.

I think we could all sum-up our current game state as: pay CCP lots of $$$, skill your dream-ship for the next three years and after the years spent on learning you will find out that it is useless GÇô because during that time it was nefred five times! In my opinion CCPGÇÖs politic is to discourage old players, they should post on their page: 5 YEARS OLD ACCOUNTS GÇô QUIT AND GO AWAY! Nowadays PvP consists usually of frigates, destroyers and cruisers (as capitals?). They could easily remove all bigger ships GÇô erase everything above cruisers. Simplify the game? Sure letGÇÖs make a new Minesweeper or Pinball. Artificial new skills? Yes GÇô letGÇÖs divide Battlecruisers and DestroyersGǪ Oh no, it already happened!

Finally someone said what had to be said!

GÇ£FinallyGÇ¥?
The OP amounts to GÇ£waah, they nerfed my stuff; I quitGÇ¥ GÇö a throwing-toys-from-the-pram response that has been around since the first patch (and not just for this game GÇö for any game) and which was as nonsensical back then as it is now.

If you have to wait for someone to say something to be able to quit in peace, your reasons for quitting at that time don't make a whole lot of sense. If you want to quit in peace, just quit and be at peace.