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gusta The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.20 13:13:00 - [31] Originally by: Halafian I was responding to the claim that ISS and Priory were "equally" responsible for problems, when the simple fact is that Priory were flat-out the whole, entire problem. That was true. I was wrong about Priory being under IAC's NAP that whole time -- sorry. They were only killing ISS while under IAC's NAP for the weeks in mid October when they ganked other ISS haulers and various smaller ships, before getting actively hunted down. wrong again. there wasnt that many kills while in iac. maybe 5 or 6. however the day we left iac iss managment was notified by iac and we went back to the way we were before joining iac. now iss has no grounds for complaining about iac being napped with us and us attacking iss ships becuase lets face it if you wanted to complain about it that would be the pot calling the kettle black. yes we napped iac but that didnt mean that iss was going to get special treatment. and as for iss and pri being equally responsable it is true while we were in iac both iss and pri were equaly responsable for the hostility. but i guess that comes down to the iss managment not being able to control thier member corps.
Algey ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.20 14:33:00 - [32] Edited by: Algey on 20/12/2006 14:35:52 Personally I quite like Priory, you like ganking ISS, and thats fine (we sell ships after all) :D I think the politics have got a bit silly since IAC decided to assault us, and thats a real shame. Once this is over I look foward to Priory chasing us/being chased by us in Litom. edit: Oh as for not being able to control member corps we watched you guys ganking an ISS battleship with us on the other side of the gate when you were in IAC. We weren't allowed to jump in because of negotiations with IAC management going on. We control our members quite well ;)
Kalmanaka	Posted - 2006.12.20 16:22:00 - [33] Unconfirmed reports are filtering in from around Empire space that Dead Horse Beaters are attempting recover from their recent bad investment ventures on the properties market through Piracy and ore theft. Once such report from a Dead Horse stated 'He came out of nowhere. He beat me, and when we tried to beat him back he just beat me some more. We broadcast a distress signal and jetisoned the escape pods, but his onslaught was relentless'. Could this be a rogue sepratist movement working from within the Dead Horse Beaters, or are Dead Horse Beaters themselves beginning to focus on beating dead horses as a means to support their deep space ventures?
Mu'Ahn Zhang	Posted - 2006.12.21 03:23:00 - [34] Can someone say "Thread Hijack"?
Autisticus	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:06:00 - [35] Edited by: Autisticus on 21/12/2006 12:06:46 *wrong character again :-X
Durgan Kael Gallente Hail The Goat	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:07:00 - [36] Actually...that post is the closest thing to being on topic since "Hail The Goat!" Kalmanaka gets the seal of approval. The Goat is pleased.
Taikun Gallente Reaver Academy	Posted - 2006.12.26 11:49:00 - [37] Originally by: steamy This kind of behavior is not tolerated in ISS, and certainly not in ISSN. Let's resolve the remaining things like your losses in game. Sorry this happened to you. Sincerely, Steamy WOW. What bullshoot. As an ex-ISS Navy pilot I was attacked and lost millions from a closed ISS station when I came back to EvE. Despite leaving ISS & EvE honourably my return was welcomeed with an open attack by ISS members who should NEVER attack neutrals. (And KNOW better to do so) No appoligies were given, nor were offers for compensation offered. If fact their actions were simply explained away and dismissed out of hand. My losses far outweighed a mere ore theft or ship loss. Guess that it why they wanted nothing to do with me. Twas cheaper for the peons now in charge to just tell me to "take off". IMO it seems ISS doesn't have a problem with its members. The problem is with it's leadership. Taikun
Elgar Lightfoot Lightfoot Industries	Posted - 2006.12.26 12:04:00 - [38] All I can say, is that I'm totally happy with the response from those in command of the ISSN. I trust that ISSN are not pirates and don't support those actions... ...Until the next time
Crozon Crozon Corp	Posted - 2006.12.26 12:38:00 - [39] Originally by: Taikun As an ex-ISS Navy pilot I was attacked and lost millions from a closed ISS station when I came back to EvE. I recommend that in future you contact ISS Management should you need to recover assets from a closed(as in closed to the public) ISS system. You may still not be allowed to enter said closed system, but you might be able to come to an arrangement for someone to transport assets from the closed system to somewhere else. Breaches of ISS ROE elsewhere are dealt with through direct contact or like it has been successfully solved here on Galnet. I would also recommend that you immediately cease taking such heavy doses of Bitter Pills, as they are likely to result in having to recover toys from outside one's pram as well as some short-term nausea amongst other pod pilots.
Taikun Gallente Reaver Academy	Posted - 2006.12.26 12:51:00 - [40] Originally by: Crozon I recommend that in future you contact ISS Management should you need to recover assets from a closed(as in closed to the public) ISS system. Attempts to enage a conversation via local resulted in ISS opening fire first and conversation later after they failed to gank me. ISS policy was never fire first on neutrals. Now it seems neutrals fair game to ISS members even ex-ISS navy pilots. Clearly the leadership will only act if called out on their members practices in open forums but in game... well... see no evil, hear no evil... but sure at shinola tell their pilots to do evil if they can get away with it. No tear would be shed by me over ISS losses. You reap what you sow. Taikun

Crozon Crozon Corp	Posted - 2006.12.26 14:01:00 - [41] Originally by: Taikun Attempts to enage a conversation via local resulted in ISS opening fire first and conversation later after they failed to gank me. ISS policy was never fire first on neutrals. Now it seems neutrals fair game to ISS members even ex-ISS navy pilots. Clearly the leadership will only act if called out on their members practices in open forums but in game... well... see no evil, hear no evil... but sure at shinola tell their pilots to do evil if they can get away with it. No tear would be shed by me over ISS losses. You reap what you sow. Taikun You have already hijacked several communications regarding this and I'm bored as I'm sure most people are. The facts are that you were in a closed system and responded rudely to requests to leave. Your previous membership within ISS bore no weight as those in system at the time were not aware of whether you left on good or bad terms. Making contact before entering a closed sytem, however, might have gotten you somewhere. Direct communications may or may not result in resolution of disputes, but since neither you or I can possibly know how many of these happen and how many result in a succesful resolution, I don't see how you could claim that unless it is broadcast on Galnet problems aren't solved through other means. Get over it, move on. Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot All I can say, is that I'm totally happy with the response from those in command of the ISSN. I trust that ISSN are not pirates and don't support those actions... ...Until the next time Elgar's issue with ISS has been resolved and therfore the purpose of this communication has been fulfilled. end transmission
Taikun Gallente Reaver Academy	Posted - 2006.12.27 17:53:00 - [42] Edited by: Taikun on 27/12/2006 17:53:34 Well Corzon. All I can say is according to ISS policy Quote: Rules of engagement PRIVATE outpost systems This refers to private (alliance controlled) ISS outpost systems and territory under friendly alliance control to which ISS have been granted access - Normal ISS rules of engagements are in effect - ISS will not engage ships neutral to ISS - ISS will not report on neutral fleet (neutral to ISS) movements to the host alliance -- ISS will engage and prosecute all KOS targets from the ISS KOS list -- ISS will actively defend ISS assets in alliance controlled space. This includes ISS starbases and ships. Those ISS members who attacked me did so well outside ISS rules of engagement. As such I am out millions of ISK and consider that an act of piracy by ISS. Call it what you will, but having a set of rules you wave about when it suits ISS and ignored when it doesn't is dishourable and this message needs to get out to all those concerned in these forums. (Despite how tired you are of reading about it.) Taikun
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:17:00 - [43] Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 27/12/2006 18:21:10 Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 27/12/2006 18:18:07 Taikun said - "As such I am out millions of ISK and consider that an act of piracy by ISS." Taikun, I think I was XO of ISSN when you left. You deserved all you got, and had I still been there and physically in charge of the 'intruder response' I'd have ordered you podded back to Empire even faster. They toned down their responses after I left. For heaven's sake man, get used to leaving gear scattered around .. that's what happens in eve, and stop being such a crybaby about it .. I've probably got hundreds of millions of isk in gear at that same station, and wouldn't even waste my breath asking for access to it. Its just not worth the trip or the hassle - if I pass by it one day, I'll do a remote sell or something. Get over yourself - you could probably have mined it in Veldspar in less time than you've taken on composing these whine posts. Myn Actually, as a member of ISSN at the time, had you turned up in one of the other areas closed to ISSN, I'd have ordered you podded and booted you. Merry Christmas Myn
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:05:00 - [44] Originally by: Taikun Edited by: Taikun on 27/12/2006 17:53:34 Well Corzon. All I can say is according to ISS policy Quote: Rules of engagement PRIVATE outpost systems This refers to private (alliance controlled) ISS outpost systems and territory under friendly alliance control to which ISS have been granted access - Normal ISS rules of engagements are in effect - ISS will not engage ships neutral to ISS - ISS will not report on neutral fleet (neutral to ISS) movements to the host alliance -- ISS will engage and prosecute all KOS targets from the ISS KOS list -- ISS will actively defend ISS assets in alliance controlled space. This includes ISS starbases and ships. Those ISS members who attacked me did so well outside ISS rules of engagement. As such I am out millions of ISK and consider that an act of piracy by ISS. Call it what you will, but having a set of rules you wave about when it suits ISS and ignored when it doesn't is dishourable and this message needs to get out to all those concerned in these forums. (Despite how tired you are of reading about it.) Taikun You are an unfunny joke. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Sgt Napalm Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2006.12.27 22:12:00 - [45] Originally by: Butter Dog You are an unfunny joke. I'm laughing, but not at him. I am just picturing Myna's flipping out on vent and ordering him to be killed & kicked. The good ol day's, I miss it.. Retired [ISSN] Watch Skool of Harpy - Da Blarpy today!
Skyburn Fireblade Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2006.12.27 22:16:00 - [46] Originally by: Sgt Napalm Retired [ISSN]
Taikun Gallente Reaver Academy	Posted - 2006.12.28 01:21:00 - [47] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Get over yourself - you could probably have mined it in Veldspar in less time than you've taken on composing these whine posts. Some people are principled based and consider the loss of the gear secondary to the real crimes being committed. In fact, principles were why I originally joined the ISSN in the first place. I enjoyed contributing to the opening of 0.0 space to neutrals and operating within a disciplined structure. Now it seems the principles of ISS are a far cry to those of only a few months ago. Evidence in these forums alone shows this. Not simply ISS leaderships unwillingness to admit errors in their members actions towards me alone. It seems I wasted near 5 months supporting a regime which now needs to be toppled. Think of the veldospar I could have been collecting over that time instead of sitting in KDF listening to your ineffectual prattle Mynas Atoch. Taikun
Caleb Paine Infinite Technologies	Posted - 2006.12.28 02:02:00 - [48] You were not ISS(N), you were being an ass in local and you were being asked to leave, you were asked SEVERAL TIMES to leave, yet you continued to argue (much like you are doing now). At which point would you think they should stop asking you to leave, stop argueing with you and start getting **ed off by you being rude? Mind you, it almost happened to me the day I joined ISSN, I had applied but wasn't accepted yet and figured I'd have a look around, ended up in C3- and got the exact same treatment. After some conversation where they asked me to leave, I tried to explain the situation, they STILL asked me to leave. They threatened to kill me if I didn't. As I was in a suicide Execitioner that really didn't bother me at all but I still left. I was asked to leave, I didn't act on that right away, they tried to shoot me. So what? That wasn't an act of piracy, it was an act of trying to getting rid of someone who doesn't want to listen to reason, and rightly so I might add (although in my case there was a special reason for my 'disobedience :P). --------------------------------- INFINITE TECHNOLOGIES** We provide solutions for your problems Contact us on our forums or ingame
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.28 02:14:00 - [49] Originally by: Taikun Originally by: Mynas Atoch Get over yourself - you could probably have mined it in Veldspar in less time than you've taken on composing these whine posts. Some people are principled based and consider the loss of the gear secondary to the real crimes being committed. In fact, principles were why I originally joined the ISSN in the first place. I enjoyed contributing to the opening of 0.0 space to neutrals and operating within a disciplined structure. Now it seems the principles of ISS are a far cry to those of only a few months ago. Evidence in these forums alone shows this. Not simply ISS leaderships unwillingness to admit errors in their members actions towards me alone. It seems I wasted near 5 months supporting a regime which now needs to be toppled. Think of the veldospar I could have been collecting over that time instead of sitting in KDF listening to your ineffectual prattle Mynas Atoch. Taikun You contributed nothing of worth to ISSN during your time with us. You are a sub-par combat pilot, you are high-maintanence, you are prissy, and frankly a waste of anyones time and space. I pity your next corporation or alliance. We have made no errors in regards to you. Not all ISS space is open to pilots outside the Alliance. We don't hide this fact, and we are not particularly in the mood to grant you any favours. But please, do go on making a fool of yourself in a public discussion forum. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Taikun Gallente Reaver Academy	Posted - 2006.12.28 03:34:00 - [50] Edited by: Taikun on 28/12/2006 03:34:36 Originally by: Butter Dog But please, do go on making a fool of yourself in a public discussion forum. Voicing concerns of neutrals who have been aggressed by ISS members in direct affront to ISS policy is an important message to get out. Especially when the leadership decides to justify breachs of standing policy on a whim. You are welcome to claim in public discussion forums how wonderful ISS neutral engagement policy is and how you make reperations for rogue ISS pilots. I likewise am welcome to point out the dark side of ISS. Namely the abundance of lies, netural gankings, theft, and quite frankly when evidence doesn't suit you... personal attacks via forums. I'll keep up with my message because the truth has a funny way of resonating with the general masses. They are my audience. All ISS seem to do now is keep taking pot shots at me. In game and otherwise. Taikun

Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.28 04:21:00 - [51] Originally by: FowlPlayChiken well handled Completely OT like, but I love the sig! (If you woke up breathing today, CONGRATULATIONS!, you get another chance!)
Admiral Fridge The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.28 06:06:00 - [52] Taikun, any experienced pilot knows he shouldn't be flying around 0.0 in restricted space without prior communications, you don't jump in and ask questions in local. That's what spies do, and seeing how you've been in ISSN you should have known this all perfectly well. You know you should've simply contacted someone in ISS, we would've been happy to get your stuff for you. _______________
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.28 15:17:00 - [53] Edited by: Butter Dog on 28/12/2006 15:17:44 Originally by: Taikun Edited by: Taikun on 28/12/2006 03:35:52 Edited by: Taikun on 28/12/2006 03:34:36 Originally by: Butter Dog But please, do go on making a fool of yourself in a public discussion forum. Voicing concerns of neutrals who have been aggressed by ISS members in direct affront to ISS policy is an important message to get out. Especially when the leadership decides to justify breachs of standing policy on a whim. I can only assume your parents could not afford to send you to the finer Gallente academies, since your IQ seems to be somewhat lacking. What part of 'ISS will engage neutrals who refuse to leave closed private outpost systems' do you not understand? You were asked to leave. You refused. You got shot. The only 'revelation' you are bringing onto GalNet is the depth of your own stupidity. But please, do carry on saying what ISS have already publically stated, and claiming you are 'exposing' us. Its rather amusing. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Jack Forge Gallente Prox XII Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.30 06:24:00 - [54] such a shame when someone who can't in the long run handle total war, escalates a friendly neighborhood fight club into a gang war... Latest on the news wire is ISS hasn't been having the easiest of times in the galactic south... __________________________________________________ Stupid is as stupid does...
Sgt Napalm Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2006.12.30 09:01:00 - [55] Originally by: Skyburn Fireblade Originally by: Sgt Napalm Retired [ISSN] I'll be back, bigger and better so I can out mine that Veld from Lilah. Retired [ISSN] [Video] Skool of Harpy - Da Blarpy
mamolian Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.02 07:10:00 - [56] I don't need to own shares to gauge the integrity of ISS, I've flown and around providence/catch, seen them fight off undesirables.. they have always conducted themselves with honor. The recent trimming of the fat inside ISS, has reassured ISS's dedication to their Charter for Both Vortex, and the alliance my corporation is apart of. We recognise ISS's Neutrality, and long standing benificial presense in the region. If there are corporations inside the ISS, which houses "undesirabes", Please go through the proper channels, and allow the ISS leadership the opportunity to resolve the issue amicably. Galnet really is a last resort. -------------------------------
Freya Celeste Caldari Cor Unum	Posted - 2007.01.03 13:09:00 - [57] Another example of well known ISSN pirate is Butter Dog, he pirates in Sukanan and when his standing drops below -5 he join ISSN to fix it then he is back in his pirate corp - just review his corp history to see how many times he did this cycle, may be ISS should review his membership too?
Clipparius Soar Angelic	Posted - 2007.01.03 15:18:00 - [58] Originally by: Freya Celeste Another example of well known ISSN pirate is Butter Dog, he pirates in Sukanan and when his standing drops below -5 he join ISSN to fix it then he is back in his pirate corp - just review his corp history to see how many times he did this cycle, may be ISS should review his membership too? You haven't been keeping up with the news, have you?
Sgt Napalm Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2007.01.03 18:51:00 - [59] Don't feed the trolls Clip. Retired [ISSN] [Video] Skool of Harpy - Da Blarpy


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