The last thing eve needs right now is a carrier buff. They deffo do not need any form of a damage buff (racial or not). They don't really have a combat role in fleet battles - that function is held by supers and dreads. All a damage buff would do is make ratting carriers better at ratting. NO to that.

If you want to balance them - remove sentry drones from their drone bays - eve gets exponentially better. I'm kind of a fan of mother ships getting fighter bombers and carriers getting fighters and leaving it right there.

Racial drone bonus is interesting.

But I disagree on all carriers needing resistance buffs. The Thanny damage bonus is its differentiation: it's a gank carrier, not a logi carrier.

Yes, but it is a carrier, it goes in Triage and loses its bonus.

Then don't click on the Triage button.

Duh.

The last thing eve needs right now is a carrier buff. They deffo do not need any form of a damage buff (racial or not). They don't really have a combat role in fleet battles - that function is held by supers and dreads. All a damage buff would do is make ratting carriers better at ratting. NO to that.

If you want to balance them - remove sentry drones from their drone bays - eve gets exponentially better. I'm kind of a fan of mother ships getting fighter bombers and carriers getting fighters and leaving it right there.

Since we're throwing out crazy ideas let's just give carriers 8 turret hard points, restricted to small turrets, a tracking bonus to small weapons, and a smartbomb bonus too. Then call them anti frigate support.


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In seriousness though, the root of the 'carrier' problem is the attitude that they are logistics ships all the time, which current mechanics push. That should be true while they are triage fit, but that shouldn't really be the only use for carriers in fleet. Even the aforementioned wrecking ball, they were logistics ships and drone bandwidth buffers, and anti-super bouncing platforms.

I don't know how to 'fix' this without doing something completely radical like stripping them down to their models and rebuilding the entire class.

IDK if the solution is to add to them a siege function and give them hard points, or change logistics mods so they are cap impossible to use without a bonus to cap usage or bonus them to some form of ewar, but until carriers are more than just really big logistics ships and drone buffers, they are still going to be a problem, to which the typical answer is just going to be a bigger blob of carriers or super carriers.

Well, how about equally logi boats?

Giant space priest? That's the Revenant, and the rest of supercarriers.

If you look at dreads, sure they have differences in resilience, but they are dps machines. It doesnt really matter cause Dreads have 1 role only, and all dreads fulfill that role; hit the pos or the capital.

*agrees*
*cries in a corner due to having skilled amarr dreadnought*

On a more serious note, the only capital that really needs a buff is the revelation

Any change to carriers that would make them better ratting ships is a bigassfreaking NO. That's not what they were intended for when put in the game, but that's what they are being used for. NO to making them better isk farmer bots.

You will keep your 3k thanny, its just that other carriers will be on par too. Not all people can fly multiple carriers, and its like creating subclasses within the carrier class. All dreads didnt used to be the same. Nag had dual dps system and was weak. That got fixed and still its weak, but very usable. Then phoenix got redundant. Problem taken care of. Rev and Moros were fine for their roles. So you end up with all dreads fulfilling their role, which is PWNAGE.

In carriers you dont see that, and they havent changed at all. Close the gap thats all. All carriers will keep their bonuses, but rest will stay close by.

Since Carriers are logistics ships, they must have a rigid tank.All carriers should get a bonus to resistances, adding to their resilience( not just Archon and Chimmy).

Why not give Thanatos and Nidhoggur a bonus to armor repair or shield boost amount? They can have weaker spider tanking with stronger onboard tanking, thus they'll be useful in small groups or especially useful in triage mode which disallows remote reps.

I just pointed out that the discrepancies you see, are just the pros and cons of each hull, they're better at each respective role than each other carrier is, whether one role is more prominent than the other is a debate of meta, not balance.

I just pointed out that the discrepancies you see, are just the pros and cons of each hull, they're better at each respective role than each other carrier is, whether one role is more prominent than the other is a debate of meta, not balance.

Exactly. So what the OP is complaining about is that each carrier has a specific role, and the OP isn't happy because he wants them to be able to do every role.

The Thanatos is the best DPS carrier (you shouldn't even bother fitting a triage so not sure why your complaining about that one), Nidhoggur is the best RR carrier, Archon is the best armour fleet ship, and the Chimera is the best shield fleet ship.

I get the impression that people complain because some alliance drone told them to train the Chimera or the Archon because they are the best large scale fleet ships and probably told them the Nid and Thanatos are useless (which is a myth), and so without thinking for themselves they come onto the forums to QQ asking CCP to change them so they can use their Nid or Thanatos in their alliance fleet.

Just think of it like this OP, the Guardian and Basilisk are the best fleet logi, but that doesn't mean you ask CCP to change the Scimitar and Onerios to have a resist bonus does it.

What shouldnt I even bother about fitting a triage module on the thanny? You will deny me modules and fits? Maybe thanny is the only carrier i can fly so far. I dont exactly have 100 mil sps.

Maybe you should have chosen your training queue better. This is like griping about not getting the same bonus for railguns on a Zealot that you get with an Eagle.