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Myadra
Amarr Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna
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Posted - 2006.12.24 22:52:00 -
[121]
nice story, and so true... I have experienced so many useless complex's in deep 0.0 now.. with less loot than a lvl4 mission and alot more risk & time involved.
Anyway, i did a post here about 0.0 npc regions Here
Explaining my fustration at some other things too.
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Araxmas
The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency
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Posted - 2006.12.24 22:57:00 -
[122]
Hehe, at least you had fun. Speaking of exploration does a hackable/archeo structure look any different on the overview as i found a site with 'Guristas research lab' and other such things but before i could warp back to it the next day so that i could hack/archeo it, it had disapeared. --------
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M3ta
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:23:00 -
[123]
Just put in your minds - once and for all - that CCP really LOVES when players lose ships. If it's many ships, even better. If the reward is a Miner I, it gets funny on top of that.
"sadism" is not petitionable. ------------------------------ loose != lose you're != your it's != its (CCP, fix Moa description) they're != there != their hanger != hangar rouge != rogue (thanks Baleorg) then != than (CC |
Raine Albus
Caldari Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.11 13:26:00 -
[124]
The rewards for these complexes deffo seems too little to be bothering with them. My corp ran one which took 2-3 hours and got roughly 10mil in rewards. They were not best pleased
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Im Free
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Posted - 2007.01.15 18:45:00 -
[125]
Has any one come across a dd called - serp Fortress? Hard stuff in the 2nd part please evemail if u have any hints on this one..
also i have found hacking DDs they drop datecores and invention bpc BPO!
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Xcom
Gallente Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.15 23:18:00 -
[126]
What are you guys complaining about? IsnÆt it obvious? The point of the complex is obviously the roids. ThatÆs what the Miner I is for. CanÆt you see it? If you donÆt have the mining equipment youÆre suppose to finish the mission and get the equipment. Duhh
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Ztrain
GIT-R-DUN Southern Connection
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Posted - 2007.01.20 03:44:00 -
[127]
We have done a number of these plexes around. The question comes down to how do you trigger the events. We got one that took us around several different systems to many different events but we have yet to figure out how to reproduce that. Or is it just random?
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Goberth Ludwig
The Establishment Establishment
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Posted - 2007.01.20 13:54:00 -
[128]
LMAO I laughed so hard I scared my brother when I read the Tag part that costed you a thron. I mean the mega spawns where nasty but that was just gratuitious and plain EVIL by the devs ahha =D
- Gob
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AdmiralNaismith
The Black Guards
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Posted - 2007.01.20 14:31:00 -
[129]
Eventually we will find a site labeled, "A really, really bad idea.". Then, of course, everyone will try to solo it.
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Nai Ling
Diligent Souls
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Posted - 2007.01.25 21:29:00 -
[130]
Sorry to Necro this, but I had to mention something I noticed.
I'm suprised Nikolas. Where was the smack about how many WCS the NPCs were using?
Also... Why not get a better tanked BS, and slap some logistics cruisers on it? Seems that you would need the good tank + better armor hp with the logistics bonuses on armor rep + range on the cruisers. AND.. if you lose the cruisers, they are a lot cheaper to replace than the BS itself. _____________________________________________
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MoeStyles
Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.25 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Raine Albus The rewards for these complexes deffo seems too little to be bothering with them. My corp ran one which took 2-3 hours and got roughly 10mil in rewards. They were not best pleased
We had fun though.. :)
One of them actually send everyone running around the region to 5 different places with promise of a 1bil ISK reward. Funny thing was, the result was a petition because after reading the message, there was no reason at all that we shouldn't have gotten the reward. CCP then comes back and say... "It's a chance" type situation. Right.. tell that to the storyline we all read after the plex was completed.
Anyway.. this post made me laugh.. it's always about the loot.. never about the fun.. boohoo... :) --
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2007.01.25 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Nikolas After killing the NPCs on the first lvl, we started taking down the structures. Suddenly a little message appeared saying that we had triggered a small explosion by killing the structure that was keeping the gate locked. A micro doomsday device went offà
Scratch: 1 Wolf, 1 Ishtar
I wonder if setting off the doomsday thingy hurts the NPCs as well as the players? Would be interesting...try and take down the structure to nuke everything in sight.
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Xealot
Blazing Saddles
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Posted - 2007.01.26 20:07:00 -
[133]
OMG
i feel sorry for you guys --------------------------
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2007.01.26 20:21:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 26/01/2007 20:18:58 Dear lord, that's got to rank as one of the greatest *****-ups with new content...
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Stakhanov
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.28 15:13:00 -
[135]
Hmmm... grief tactics
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Yarnesh Vitora
Minmatar Imperial Ravens
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Posted - 2007.01.28 16:12:00 -
[136]
I don't have time right now to read the whole thread but isn't it possible that one of the other people doing the complexes with you got their first and took all the good loot?
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Clatita
Minmatar United Warriors Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.01.29 14:05:00 -
[137]
next time you might want to fit for em/thermal and kinetic. just a thought :)(some sansha use kinetic missiles)
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Nerogk Shorn
Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2007.01.30 06:15:00 -
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That is really funny. CCP really needed to up the creativity of their npc based missions. I mean I have created more randomness in a 2 week Visual Basic game I made in high school. They should make those plex's really random so it is kinda new and unexpected all the time. It would really help against farmers and make me pay attention more.
GJ CCP I am starting to like you. The tag thing blows though. There should be one random complex in the game that should be impossible. This isn't it obviously. Good story Nikolas.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.01.30 07:23:00 -
[139]
While I totally and sympathetically feel the pain of the OP, he's just chose a bad time to do a large 2 level exploration complex.
CCP is one of the best MMO companies out there, if for any reason, they understand balance.
CCP HEAVILY PRENERFSeverything they release, from rigs/salvaging, to invention and exploration.
CCP must do this, because their player run economy is a fragile thing. It can absorb alot of damage from mineral price spikes, t1 module flooding, etc. But when it comes to new items like interfaces (esp. ones that are permenant and dont get used up) they'll be very careful, because once those things are on the market, they'll stay there forever.
Case in point, Harvester drones. They might be 7mill a pop now, but back in the day everyone and their mother had em because of a bug in convoy spawn drops.
So, Im absolutely sure that CCP is aware of all the let downs in invention, salvaging, and exploration. They'll boost it soon, but only when they're sure how much.
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2007.02.10 15:51:00 -
[140]
So any updates on these complexes yet? ----------
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DuckQuack
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.10 16:22:00 -
[141]
great story... *SS* was very fun to read.. more of that please..
and sorry to hear of the sucky loot...
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Relevohs
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Posted - 2007.02.11 12:25:00 -
[142]
Sure smells of "something else" needs to be done to trigger better loot. Only reason I'm thinking so is the fact that the end loot is such complete crap for such an insane effort required.
Has there been any explicit response from CCP on this?
I can't justify CCP spending the large chunk of money and effort that it took to put in Exploration type sites if the end result is people would avoid them because of the potential for crap loot. Something is wrong here - we just need to find out if it's a bug or if we need to do something else during the mission to trigger something to happen / trigger the good loot.
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Ling Xiao
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Posted - 2007.02.11 13:40:00 -
[143]
CCP: redefining incompetence.
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Hellspawn01
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.02.11 14:06:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Commander Nikolas
In the Can:
1x Cargo Scanner I 1x Small Nosferotu I 1x Miner I
We thought to ourselves, how can this be? Who uses 4x Giga Pulse Lasers to defend a miner I? Who uses a doomsday device to stop the theft of a Small Nos? How is it fair that we finally destroyed a complex that is impossible to complete without ship losses and we get nothing... What was the point?
I agree. No reward accept for a good example of teamwork.
Originally by: Commander Nikolas The CCP Risk vs Reward Formula:
Lvl 4 Mission in a 1.0 System = Centus-X Loot
No risk of being killed by other players No time spent trying to "find" the mission No real risk of losing ships No doomsday suprises No POS guns spawning on top of you
Its the first time that I hear about complex drops in empire missions, except some faction drops here and there.
Btw, how much ISK did you all make from bounties?
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Diablo Venator
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Posted - 2007.02.11 16:40:00 -
[145]
I have a similar story..
I spent approx 2hrs probing out an exploration site, went bakc an got my bs...
Warped in to find 4 bs a couple of bc's and a few warp scram frigs. so i started popping them... next min i find that support has warped in in the form of a few more bs and a few more frigs...
ok i think, this aint so bad i can handle these.. to my dismay the more i popped the more warped in.. so i call in a corp mate for assistance..
We warp back in to be faced with 30+ bs's 20+ bc's and approx 15 frigs.. we lasted about 30secs before having to warp out.
We sit in the station for a while and decide this is a corp operation, so i send out a corp mail.
24hrs later the fleet assemble consisting of 8 battleships, 4 drakes, and a basilisk for support.
I warp in to have the entire room instant agro on me, but because i had approx 25 heavy rep drones on me,plus support fromthe basilisk i managed to tank, we shot everything in sight. Pleased with our success we warp into the second room only to be faced with a similar fleet.
Same thing again, we managed to tank the room and take out the drugs farm. on blowing up the tower we get a message saying 'the mission is escalating' so we had to warp the fleet 4 jumps to another system.
Again faced with a large fleet we managed to take them all out only to be told again 'the mission is escalating, so we go another 4 jumps to be faced with a not so large fleet but still strong enough to make it more than a solo op.
again we blow the buildings up, this time we are sent 15 jumps and an hour to complete the mission.. so we get going, with a corp mate collecting loot and salvaging..
we warp in, to find a huge hanger and a few ships gaurding it.. we are approximatly 50km from this building and all aligned.. (from expeariance we know more are going to show up) which they did.... in a BIG way...
next min a fleet of 40+ battleships land ontop of us with an unknown amount of bc's and frigs, but i would estimate another 40 ships... so we were facing 80+ npc's all within 20km of us..
i instanlty hit 'warp fleet' to the nearest base only to find the lag was appauling, and we lost a battleship and the basilisk by the time the lag stopped we were sat outside the station all very much deep into hull.. (petitions have gone in for the ship losses btw)
i warped back in a shuttle, so the bs's in our fleet could warp to 100km of me and start snypnig away...
after a while we broke the fleet just in time before the mission closed, only to be sent a message.. 'you should not have shot the overseer (approx 3hrs before) or we would have got a huge reward, he sold out his own life to stop us..'
after looting the hanger array i found the reward...
A MINMATAR SHUTTLE BPC 100RUN
well, thanks CCP all that time and effort only to be insulted for our efforts..
so after nearly 2months of solid training for exploration 45+ man hours to do the 'expedition' 2 very expensive ships down
may as well all go back to mission running, it would have brought much more into the corp..
I do have to say that my corp was awsome, the support and team work was astounding so a big thumbs up to them.
Exploration has now left a very bad taste in my mouth, the risk / reward is just not worth it!
Maybe i'm wrong, next time i might find a can gaurded by 2 frigs that has a rattlesnake bpc in it or something... lol
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Jennifer Meek
Gallente Planck Bubble Generation Technologies
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Posted - 2007.02.11 22:12:00 -
[146]
To be honest these stories seem to be a little fishy.
What if they are ploys by the OP to scare people away from doing hidden complexes so they can reap the rewards from themselves.
I mean it would be believable if you said just crap loot, but when you say you got crap loot AND get faction/officer loot in a 1.0 that strikes me as very fishy
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Diablo Venator
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: Diablo Venator on 12/02/2007 11:34:24
Originally by: Jennifer Meek To be honest these stories seem to be a little fishy.
What if they are ploys by the OP to scare people away from doing hidden complexes so they can reap the rewards from themselves.
Hmm, well i know my story is true... I suggest you go find a hidden complex, get a large fleet and the reap the rewards of a shuttle bpo and a miner 1...
I have never come across faction loot in 1.0.. that to me sounds fishy...
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Reachok
Amarr Low Grade Ore
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Posted - 2007.02.12 22:15:00 -
[148]
Edited by: Reachok on 12/02/2007 22:15:58
Originally by: Jennifer Meek To be honest these stories seem to be a little fishy.
What if they are ploys by the OP to scare people away from doing hidden complexes so they can reap the rewards from themselves.
I mean it would be believable if you said just crap loot, but when you say you got crap loot AND get faction/officer loot in a 1.0 that strikes me as very fishy
Nope, totally true. My corp tried the exact same hidden complex, with exactly the same results on the first level. We however did not want to lose our ratting bs's, so after losing our tanker, then reading this post, we opted out.
As far as faction loot, anything is possible. An ex corpmate picked up a faction bs BPC from a plain old rat in a 0.0 belt a few weeks back. Granted, she was in 0.0 but after hundreds of hours ratting those same belts, I'd never seen nor heard of a faction bs BPC dropping from a standard (not officer) rat.
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Danny Hawk
Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.12 22:25:00 -
[149]
its called sansha military complex. we did it after pwnin the sencond lvl ure supposed to get a message tellin u where to go to next, we traveled from lower stain to delve then period basis killin three diferent parts of the plex with the last message in delve telling us the next one is a rallying point the the big fleet, we get there and, absolutly nothing there. we petition it and they tell us its bugged but they cant say whats supposed to happen.
Moral of story
if it has a gate in the plex DONT BOTHER DOING IT
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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.02.12 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Diablo Venator I have a similar story..
I spent approx 2hrs probing out an exploration site, went bakc an got my bs...
Warped in to find 4 bs a couple of bc's and a few warp scram frigs. so i started popping them... next min i find that support has warped in in the form of a few more bs and a few more frigs...
ok i think, this aint so bad i can handle these.. to my dismay the more i popped the more warped in.. so i call in a corp mate for assistance..
We warp back in to be faced with 30+ bs's 20+ bc's and approx 15 frigs.. we lasted about 30secs before having to warp out.
We sit in the station for a while and decide this is a corp operation, so i send out a corp mail.
24hrs later the fleet assemble consisting of 8 battleships, 4 drakes, and a basilisk for support.
I warp in to have the entire room instant agro on me, but because i had approx 25 heavy rep drones on me,plus support fromthe basilisk i managed to tank, we shot everything in sight. Pleased with our success we warp into the second room only to be faced with a similar fleet.
Same thing again, we managed to tank the room and take out the drugs farm. on blowing up the tower we get a message saying 'the mission is escalating' so we had to warp the fleet 4 jumps to another system.
Again faced with a large fleet we managed to take them all out only to be told again 'the mission is escalating, so we go another 4 jumps to be faced with a not so large fleet but still strong enough to make it more than a solo op.
again we blow the buildings up, this time we are sent 15 jumps and an hour to complete the mission.. so we get going, with a corp mate collecting loot and salvaging..
we warp in, to find a huge hanger and a few ships gaurding it.. we are approximatly 50km from this building and all aligned.. (from expeariance we know more are going to show up) which they did.... in a BIG way...
next min a fleet of 40+ battleships land ontop of us with an unknown amount of bc's and frigs, but i would estimate another 40 ships... so we were facing 80+ npc's all within 20km of us..
i instanlty hit 'warp fleet' to the nearest base only to find the lag was appauling, and we lost a battleship and the basilisk by the time the lag stopped we were sat outside the station all very much deep into hull.. (petitions have gone in for the ship losses btw)
i warped back in a shuttle, so the bs's in our fleet could warp to 100km of me and start snypnig away...
after a while we broke the fleet just in time before the mission closed, only to be sent a message.. 'you should not have shot the overseer (approx 3hrs before) or we would have got a huge reward, he sold out his own life to stop us..'
after looting the hanger array i found the reward...
A MINMATAR SHUTTLE BPC 100RUN
well, thanks CCP all that time and effort only to be insulted for our efforts..
so after nearly 2months of solid training for exploration 45+ man hours to do the 'expedition' 2 very expensive ships down
may as well all go back to mission running, it would have brought much more into the corp..
I do have to say that my corp was awsome, the support and team work was astounding so a big thumbs up to them.
Exploration has now left a very bad taste in my mouth, the risk / reward is just not worth it!
Maybe i'm wrong, next time i might find a can gaurded by 2 frigs that has a rattlesnake bpc in it or something... lol
side note the reward was the ISK off bounties and loot and slavage stuff u got over 15 hours of pumping out NPCs endlessly and the shuttle BPC well just pawn it off on contracts
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