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Ghostshadow Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.12.20 15:35:00 - [1] Eragon and Eldest are two of the best books i've ever read. Now i went and watched the movie last night. Whoever directed that movie and whoever wrote the script need to be lynched. That has got to be the most confusing, choppiest, cornyest and just downright most retarded movie i've ever seen. By itsself it was a bad movie, comparing it to the books it was absoulutly horrible. I can understand leaving parts out from the book or it would have been a 10 hour long movie, but the storyline was hardly even simmiler to the book. I took my girlfriend with me who's never read the books and she was asking me stuff through the whole movie like "Who was that, and why are they there" etc. it was poorly written and directed and anyone who's never read the books had no idea what was going on, even after reading the books I had a hard time keeping up with the movie. one last rant before I go, It would be much less painfull if you watched the movie on MUTE. The diolog was HORRIBLE. It sounded like a 5th grade christmas play at the local church. anyways /rant off _________________________________ He who laughs last Thinks slowest
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.20 15:55:00 - [2] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/12/2006 16:02:39 Originally by: Ghostshadow Eragon and Eldest are two of the best books i've ever read. Are you crazy? They're almost completely ripped off from other fantasy novels and are literally built out of cliche and melodrama. I don't think a single new idea was introduced to the genre in the series: even the concept of the dwarven city inside the mountain was directly stolen (as was pretty much everything else!) I can't speak for Eldest, as I only read Eragon, but I highly doubt the writer magically improved from "middle school quality" to "worthy of a page in a novel" in a year. I know a very talented writer who literally took a red pen to the book and covered the first five chapters with red ink due to its incredibly low quality of writing. She planned to present a fully-edited book to him at a book signing but got bored after a few days of serious editing. Of course the movie sucked--it was based on one of the most overrated fantasy novels in history. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (Back up!)
Kharakan Amarr Morticus Impendium	Posted - 2006.12.20 16:13:00 - [3] Bearing in mind he was (apparently) 15 at the time of writing the book, it's not too hard to see that he would've been susceptible to influence. Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari) HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
Benco97 Gallente Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.20 16:17:00 - [4] Well, I'm not going to attack the OPs choices but I myself could FEEL the aura of rubbish that the books and film have, Now i'm definately steering well clear. However... I'm sure someone will enjoy it and with that in mind can it really be that bad? if it makes someone smile, someone happy.. then it's worth it (just don't WATCH it) "MY GOD KEEP THIS AWAY FROM BENCO97!!!!!" - Constantine Arcanum
Kharakan Amarr Morticus Impendium	Posted - 2006.12.20 16:34:00 - [5] Edited by: Kharakan on 20/12/2006 16:36:58 While I haven't seen the film yet, I found this review rather funny. There's a pretty decent section that reads like this: Quote: In long-ago farawayland, 17-year-old farm boy Eragon (Ed Speleers) is the King Arthur Skywalker Potter figure, an orphan with a magic scar. His Excalibur is the big, blue, pill-shaped object that he finds in the forest primeval. For a moment I detected allegory - Ye Olde Legendde of Viagraa. All the characters and places certainly seem to have been named by the folks over at Pfizer: There's Galbatorix (use as directed), Saphira (because the Change of Life doesn't have to change your lifestyle) and Alagaesia (reserved for cases of extreme headache; may cause internal combustion). By far the coolest name associated with the movie is Stefen Fangmeier, but it turns out he's only the director, and that name is all he's got going for him. Good stuff Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari) HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
Anatolius Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.20 16:52:00 - [6] Originally by: Kharakan Bearing in mind he was (apparently) 15 at the time of writing the book, it's not too hard to see that he would've been susceptible to influence. I remember the kid getting on Letterman because of that. I still haven't read the book, and have little desire to. However, having seen the previews of the movie.. If it's even a Peter Jackson level mockery of the book, I've almost certainly read far, far worse things written by far, far older people. "If God be for us, whom can be against us?"
Ghostshadow Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.12.20 17:05:00 - [7] Edited by: Ghostshadow on 20/12/2006 17:18:48 Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/12/2006 16:02:39 Originally by: Ghostshadow Eragon and Eldest are two of the best books i've ever read. Are you crazy? They're almost completely ripped off from other fantasy novels and are literally built out of cliche and melodrama. I don't think a single new idea was introduced to the genre in the series: even the concept of the dwarven city inside the mountain was directly stolen (as was pretty much everything else!) I can't speak for Eldest, as I only read Eragon, but I highly doubt the writer magically improved from "middle school quality" to "worthy of a page in a novel" in a year. I know a very talented writer who literally took a red pen to the book and covered the first five chapters with red ink due to its incredibly low quality of writing. She planned to present a fully-edited book to him at a book signing but got bored after a few days of serious editing. Of course the movie sucked--it was based on one of the most overrated fantasy novels in history. Stupid forums ate my post. Well, as i said before I enjoyed the books emmensly. They where a new and entertaining read for me. I'm not a big reader and have never read a book of this type before so sorry for my ingnorance is his ideas were stolen. But keep in mind these books were also for the Teen audiance (and written by a teen) and not ment to be criticized by someone who's probably read similer books that were published before the author was even born. I'm sure he didn't take the time to research every mid-evil dragon-riding, magic-wielding swordsman story out there to see if his story was a cliche or not. He was 15, already graduated, too young to go to collage so he got bored and wrote a book. How many people do you know that started a book at 15, finished at 17(?) had had thier first book published and was a New York Times bestseller? Anyways, point of the OP was great book, horrible movie. _________________________________ He who laughs last Thinks slowest
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.20 17:13:00 - [8] Originally by: Ghostshadow Eragon and Eldest are two of the best books i've ever read. Oh God, you need to read more books! --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Ghostshadow Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.12.20 17:23:00 - [9] Yes, i probably need to read more books :P But unlike video games/movies i can't watch trailers and deside of it looks good or not. I go 2-3 years inbetween buying new books simply because i can never seem to find one that looks interesting. _________________________________ He who laughs last Thinks slowest
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.20 17:33:00 - [10] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/12/2006 17:39:55 Originally by: Ghostshadow Well, as i said before I enjoyed the books emmensly. They where a new and entertaining read for me. I'm not a big reader and have never read a book of this type before so sorry for my ingnorance is his ideas were stolen. But keep in mind these books were also for the Teen audiance (and written by a teen) and not ment to be criticized by someone who's probably read similer books that were published before the author was even born. Harry Potter was also for a teen audience. It didn't suck. I know at least ten people below the age of 18 who could have written better work than Eragon. Heck, I know somebody who wrote an entire novel for NaNoWriMo (National Novel Writing Month). Originally by: Ghostshadow I'm sure he didn't take the time to research every mid-evil dragon-riding, magic-wielding swordsman story out there to see if his story was a cliche or not. He was 15, already graduated, too young to go to collage so he got bored and wrote a book. You don't "research" to find out if your ideas are cliche. They're cliche because they're NOT HIS IDEAS. If he came up with them himself, they wouldn't be cliche. His entire book is stolen, and he's lucky most of the authors he stole from aren't around any more to sue him. I can see why his book might not seem like rubbish to someone who hardly reads, though. Sort of like how someone who had never seen a movie might think Waterworld was good. P.S. You don't have to buy books. Use a library. I read a good two books a week and don't pay a thing -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (Back up!)
Anatolius Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.20 17:52:00 - [11] Originally by: Dark Shikari I can see why his book might not seem like rubbish to someone who hardly reads, though. Sort of like how someone who had never seen a movie might think Waterworld was good. Sir, I slap thee with a glove, and will meet you at the location of your choosing. How dare you insult a movie whose greatness allowed it to have imitation Spam! "If God be for us, whom can be against us?"
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.20 17:53:00 - [12] Originally by: Anatolius Originally by: Dark Shikari I can see why his book might not seem like rubbish to someone who hardly reads, though. Sort of like how someone who had never seen a movie might think Waterworld was good. Sir, I slap thee with a glove, and will meet you at the location of your choosing. How dare you insult a movie whose greatness allowed it to have imitation Spam! -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (Back up!)
Madorthene PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.20 17:55:00 - [13] Edited by: Madorthene on 20/12/2006 17:56:30 Huge reader of books myself, and I have to say the film looked a bit on the ****e side when I saw an advert for it at the local cinema. Which is a shame. Some of the effects in it seemed well done to me. But the actor for the main character had crap practically oozing from every orifice, so I probably won't go see it.
Indra Sebuchiore Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.12.20 23:52:00 - [14] Edited by: Indra Sebuchiore on 20/12/2006 23:51:58 Originally by: Madorthene But the actor for the main character had crap practically oozing from every orifice, so I probably won't go see it. Sounds like some really bad p0rn... __________________________________________ "In girum imus nocte, et consumimur igni."
Lucian Alucard Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.21 00:23:00 - [15] The kid who wrote this book watched star wars one to many times and played ALOT of D&D Greyhawk befor writing this book. And the directors/cast basically needed the cash, which was Jeremy Iron's reason for doing it but then again he DID do D&D the movie which was only barely worse then Eragon. Christ when the guys who did Underworld ripped off of Whitewolf they at least didn't make the movies TOTALLY crappy.
Amataras Minmatar Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2006.12.21 00:32:00 - [16] I've always considered myself as having a healthy knowledge of the fantasy genre, knowing the names of all the best well-known authors (Tolkein, Donaldson, Eddings, Jordan, Feist, King, Goodkind, Zindell etc...), but I'd never heard of Eragon or Paolini until now. -------- The Eve Diplomacy Table Eve Development Network
Anell Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.21 06:00:00 - [17] I've read both Eragon and Eldest. I didn't bother to go see the movie because in the trailers I could see 1) horrible acting and dialogue and 2) events that I know did not take place in either book. I read both books and as others mentioned found them to be fairly poorly written. Still there is a story to be experienced in them and I enjoyed them on that level. That being said if you are at all interested in fantasy then you should pick yourself up a copy of George R.R. Martin's "A Game of Thrones." This is the first book in what is currently a 4 book series with more on the way. Martin is pretty much the undisputed top dog of fantasy. I wouldn't recommend him for anyone under 13 if your thinking about picking up a gift for someone, since his books are for a mature audience.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.21 06:34:00 - [18] Originally by: Anatolius Originally by: Dark Shikari I can see why his book might not seem like rubbish to someone who hardly reads, though. Sort of like how someone who had never seen a movie might think Waterworld was good. Sir, I slap thee with a glove, and will meet you at the location of your choosing. How dare you insult a movie whose greatness allowed it to have imitation Spam! The original writer of Waterworld gave a presentation at my college, long ago, while the film was running. After the credits stopped he said, "After this, nothing of it is what I wrote," or some such. Pretty funny, if you ask me. Originally by: Troy Knight [After training Warp Drive Ops I] Still time I could have used training something else.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.21 06:34:00 - [19] Originally by: Anatolius Originally by: Dark Shikari I can see why his book might not seem like rubbish to someone who hardly reads, though. Sort of like how someone who had never seen a movie might think Waterworld was good. Sir, I slap thee with a glove, and will meet you at the location of your choosing. How dare you insult a movie whose greatness allowed it to have imitation Spam! The original writer of Waterworld gave a presentation at my college, long ago, while the film was running. After the credits stopped he said, "After this, nothing of it is what I wrote," or some such. Pretty funny, if you ask me. Originally by: Troy Knight [After training Warp Drive Ops I] Still time I could have used training something else.
GouldFish Unscoped Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.21 13:22:00 - [20] Originally by: Lucian Alucard Christ when the guys who did Underworld ripped off of Whitewolf they at least didn't make the movies TOTALLY crappy.[/quote Sorry but underworld was only dwarfed by the likes of Hostage and paparazi for crappy films.
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.21 18:27:00 - [21] Edited by: Hellraiza666 on 21/12/2006 18:27:55 It looks **** from the advert

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