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Bosswoman
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Posted - 2015.09.22 09:55:22 -
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Ship skins.... yeah I know shame on me for starting another thread on this Topic but I don't like the greedy way CCP is heading with the current business model in regards to ship skins.
So last time I checked EVE Online was not a "Free To Play Game" So why for the love of sweet baby Jebus are the prices for ship skins so high?
Using the base price of 900 AUR = 5.00$. You get 1$ = 180 AUR
That over 4.00$ for a Frigate and 8.50$ For a Battleship skin.
Worst part is that the Skin is only for one ship not even the ship hull. Lets look at the Typhoon, Typhoon Fleet Issue and Panther, they are all the same ship hull with no variations and yet we have to pay $8.50 for each? Come on CCP stop being greedy.
If CCP is in need of the extra capital they should drop the price to 2-3$ per ship hull per skin. If this was the case I think the vast majority of players would drop a few bucks on their favorite ship(hull) But as it stands I think CCP has its head in the clouds, I mean 36$ on a poorly done Super Cap Skin?
And before you start sir/ma'am trollsalot; yes I know art cost a lot of money but I can buy cosmetic Items on a free to play game cheaper then I can on EVE, a game that I pay to play ever month.
With that whats your thoughts?
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.09.22 09:58:01 -
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i think they are a tad expensive yeah but hardly outrageously so.
hardly matters though , they are vanity items so...
Better the Devil you know.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
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Posted - 2015.09.22 10:07:24 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:hardly matters though , they are vanity items so...
^^^
I also don't agree with the pricing, but it makes no difference in the end whether I have them or not.
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Outlawd
Evian Industries
EVIAN NATION
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Posted - 2015.09.22 10:10:43 -
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Bosswoman wrote:Ship skins.... yeah I know shame on me for starting another thread on this Topic but I don't like the greedy way CCP is heading with the current business model in regards to ship skins. So last time I checked EVE Online was not a "Free To Play Game" So why for the love of sweet baby Jebus are the prices for ship skins so high? Using the base price of 900 AUR = 5.00$. You get 1$ = 180 AUR That over 4.00$ for a Frigate and 8.50$ For a Battleship skin. Worst part is that the Skin is only for one ship not even the ship hull. Lets look at the Typhoon, Typhoon Fleet Issue and Panther, they are all the same ship hull with no variations and yet we have to pay $8.50 for each? Come on CCP stop being greedy. If CCP is in need of the extra capital they should drop the price to 2-3$ per ship hull per skin. If this was the case I think the vast majority of players would drop a few bucks on their favorite ship(hull) But as it stands I think CCP has its head in the clouds, I mean 36$ on a poorly done Super Cap Skin? And before you start sir/ma'am trollsalot; yes I know art cost a lot of money but I can buy cosmetic Items on a free to play game cheaper then I can on EVE, a game that I pay to play ever month. With that whats your thoughts? (lets please keep this somewhat civil)
There is no fine print anywhere that is saying, just because skins are there, do they have to be explicitly affordable to your financial scenario. I would imagine they are more intended for people who want to look somewhat different and are priced to make them more unique.
There is no way I would want to pay money for a skin if everyone and their mother has it. What's the point in that?
Nor is this a move to the f2p model either. If the game became flooded with items such as: "You can now use a stargate TWICE in one hour for x unit of this item for $4", then yeh, that would be f2p.
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Johan Civire
Flux Technologies Inc
Gentlemen's.Parlor
974
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Posted - 2015.09.22 10:19:32 -
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Bosswoman wrote:Ship skins.... yeah I know shame on me for starting another thread on this Topic but I don't like the greedy way CCP is heading with the current business model in regards to ship skins. So last time I checked EVE Online was not a "Free To Play Game" So why for the love of sweet baby Jebus are the prices for ship skins so high? Using the base price of 900 AUR = 5.00$. You get 1$ = 180 AUR That over 4.00$ for a Frigate and 8.50$ For a Battleship skin. Worst part is that the Skin is only for one ship not even the ship hull. Lets look at the Typhoon, Typhoon Fleet Issue and Panther, they are all the same ship hull with no variations and yet we have to pay $8.50 for each? Come on CCP stop being greedy. If CCP is in need of the extra capital they should drop the price to 2-3$ per ship hull per skin. If this was the case I think the vast majority of players would drop a few bucks on their favorite ship(hull) But as it stands I think CCP has its head in the clouds, I mean 36$ on a poorly done Super Cap Skin? And before you start sir/ma'am trollsalot; yes I know art cost a lot of money but I can buy cosmetic Items on a free to play game cheaper then I can on EVE, a game that I pay to play ever month. With that whats your thoughts? (lets please keep this somewhat civil)
Can you please stop making whining threats! The only complains i have is that the game is half finish or half broken depend on what side you are one. Skins in the other hand do not matter its just cosmetic nobody gives a f*ck about that. I can thing of 2 million other worst marketing. This however is the best option, nobody is harm and nobody is pay to win.
This complain you have is about a price of a skin thats and thats not related. But the game is not required to pay for that skin. Its a extra option and its not needing. So stop the QQ and play the god damn game or leave it and stay at your facebook games.
And i can troll what ever i want because this is nonsense. The problem is you. And i stay with that. I`m not in defend mode for ccp because we know the f*ck some things up. But this..... just nonsense. |
Bosswoman
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.09.22 10:23:36 -
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Outlawd wrote:Bosswoman wrote:Ship skins.... yeah I know shame on me for starting another thread on this Topic but I don't like the greedy way CCP is heading with the current business model in regards to ship skins. So last time I checked EVE Online was not a "Free To Play Game" So why for the love of sweet baby Jebus are the prices for ship skins so high? Using the base price of 900 AUR = 5.00$. You get 1$ = 180 AUR That over 4.00$ for a Frigate and 8.50$ For a Battleship skin. Worst part is that the Skin is only for one ship not even the ship hull. Lets look at the Typhoon, Typhoon Fleet Issue and Panther, they are all the same ship hull with no variations and yet we have to pay $8.50 for each? Come on CCP stop being greedy. If CCP is in need of the extra capital they should drop the price to 2-3$ per ship hull per skin. If this was the case I think the vast majority of players would drop a few bucks on their favorite ship(hull) But as it stands I think CCP has its head in the clouds, I mean 36$ on a poorly done Super Cap Skin? And before you start sir/ma'am trollsalot; yes I know art cost a lot of money but I can buy cosmetic Items on a free to play game cheaper then I can on EVE, a game that I pay to play ever month. With that whats your thoughts? (lets please keep this somewhat civil) There is no fine print anywhere that is saying, just because skins are there, do they have to be explicitly affordable to your financial scenario. I would imagine they are more intended for people who want to look somewhat different and are priced to make them more unique. There is no way I would want to pay money for a skin if everyone and their mother has it. What's the point in that? Nor is this a move to the f2p model either. If the game became flooded with items such as: "You can now use a stargate TWICE in one hour for x unit of this item for $4", then yeh, that would be f2p.
You seem to be a bit confused. This was not about what I can or cant afford or about EVE being a f2p game. This is about high prices on multiple ships with the same hull( ie no extra art cost) being sold. Also Cheaply made Skins being sold for over 35$. |
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
69
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Posted - 2015.09.22 10:35:13 -
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Outlawd wrote:
There is no fine print anywhere that is saying, just because skins are there, do they have to be explicitly affordable to your financial scenario. I would imagine they are more intended for people who want to look somewhat different and are priced to make them more unique.
There is no way I would want to pay money for a skin if everyone and their mother has it. What's the point in that?
Nor is this a move to the f2p model either. If the game became flooded with items such as: "You can now use a stargate TWICE in one hour for x unit of this item for $4", then yeh, that would be f2p.
I dont think skins are ment to make you look unique. Everyone can get the skins, if not with RL money, then with ingame money. Thats no big achievement. For me, skins are just a way to make your ships look better and for that the price is way too high. For example, i really like the new Maelstrom skin, but im not going to pay 8Gé¼ for it. I bought the GTA complete collection (all GTA games with all DLCs (before GTA5 came out)) for 11Gé¼ during a Steam sale and CCP wants me to pay 8Gé¼ for ONE texture? NOPE.
BTW, what you describe as F2P is P2W. Big difference. |
Bosswoman
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.09.22 10:39:35 -
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Johan Civire wrote:Bosswoman wrote:Ship skins.... yeah I know shame on me for starting another thread on this Topic but I don't like the greedy way CCP is heading with the current business model in regards to ship skins. So last time I checked EVE Online was not a "Free To Play Game" So why for the love of sweet baby Jebus are the prices for ship skins so high? Using the base price of 900 AUR = 5.00$. You get 1$ = 180 AUR That over 4.00$ for a Frigate and 8.50$ For a Battleship skin. Worst part is that the Skin is only for one ship not even the ship hull. Lets look at the Typhoon, Typhoon Fleet Issue and Panther, they are all the same ship hull with no variations and yet we have to pay $8.50 for each? Come on CCP stop being greedy. If CCP is in need of the extra capital they should drop the price to 2-3$ per ship hull per skin. If this was the case I think the vast majority of players would drop a few bucks on their favorite ship(hull) But as it stands I think CCP has its head in the clouds, I mean 36$ on a poorly done Super Cap Skin? And before you start sir/ma'am trollsalot; yes I know art cost a lot of money but I can buy cosmetic Items on a free to play game cheaper then I can on EVE, a game that I pay to play ever month. With that whats your thoughts? (lets please keep this somewhat civil) Can you please stop making whining threats! The only complains i have is that the game is half finish or half broken depend on what side you are one. Skins in the other hand do not matter its just cosmetic nobody gives a f*ck about that. I can thing of 2 million other worst marketing. This however is the best option, nobody is harm and nobody is pay to win. This complain you have is about a price of a skin thats and thats not related. But the game is not required to pay for that skin. Its a extra option and its not needing. So stop the QQ and play the god damn game or leave it and stay at your facebook games. And i can troll what ever i want because this is nonsense. The problem is you. And i stay with that. I`m not in defend mode for ccp because we know the f*ck some things up. But this..... just nonsense.
Take a second and re-look at what i'm trying to say. This is not a QQ thread whining about Skins being to much for me to afford ( I could buy them all and still be financially ok, if not of sould mind) This is a thread about CCP's bad business model. 8$ for a ship skin is greedy and I don't like where that may lead CCP and EVE online to.
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Odie McCracken
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2015.09.22 10:42:56 -
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Vanity items should frankly be more than they are, not less. |
Outlawd
Evian Industries
EVIAN NATION
18
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Posted - 2015.09.22 10:51:28 -
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Bosswoman wrote:
You seem to be a bit confused. This was not about what I can or cant afford or about EVE being a f2p game. This is about high prices on multiple ships with the same hull( ie no extra art cost) being sold. Also Cheaply made Skins being sold for over 35$.
No no, I understood perfectly. I counter claim that it is you, who does not understand and yes, it is entirely about affordability. To some people, -ú10 for a skin is nothing and it gets them the ability to have something somewhat unique. It also allows CCP some extra profits. Whether you like the system or not has little consequence in the overall scheme of things. It's the way it is.
If you don't want to pay that money, don't. There is no reason for you to be paying it. CCP clearly has a marketing campaign and pricing strategy that is better thought out than your assumptions of "cheap skins" not being applicable to "multiple ship types". Ranting here will not change things.
Algarion Getz wrote:
I dont think skins are ment to make you look unique. Everyone can get the skins, if not with RL money, then with ingame money. Thats no big achievement. For me, skins are just a way to make your ships look better and for that the price is way too high. For example, i really like the new Maelstrom skin, but im not going to pay 8Gé¼ for it. I bought the GTA complete collection (all GTA games with all DLCs (before GTA5 came out)) for 11Gé¼ during a Steam sale and CCP wants me to pay 8Gé¼ for ONE texture? NOPE.
BTW, what you describe as F2P is P2W. Big difference.
Of course they are! How many of them have you seen? I have better things than skins to buy with ISK.
As I said above, this is entirely about affordability. If you want your ship to look different, you pay your money and move on. They don't have to lower the cost just because you can't justify spending 8 euros on a skin. That's your financial dilemma, not theirs.
I described a f2p model. A p2w model would be to allow people to buy ships, or mods. Limiting people to systems (in a theoretical sense) does not make it p2w, it just limits your interaction with the game.
In conclusion, you both seem to be affected with the same malaise of not understanding financial ascendance and affordability. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I
Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2015.09.22 10:53:32 -
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top tip: dont like the price, dont buy them, simples
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Max Fubarticus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2015.09.22 10:54:05 -
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Bosswoman wrote:Ship skins.... yeah I know shame on me for starting another thread on this Topic but I don't like the greedy way CCP is heading with the current business model in regards to ship skins. So last time I checked EVE Online was not a "Free To Play Game" So why for the love of sweet baby Jebus are the prices for ship skins so high?Using the base price of 900 AUR = 5.00$. You get 1$ = 180 AUR That over 4.00$ for a Frigate and 8.50$ For a Battleship skin. Worst part is that the Skin is only for one ship not even the ship hull. Lets look at the Typhoon, Typhoon Fleet Issue and Panther, they are all the same ship hull with no variations and yet we have to pay $8.50 for each? Come on CCP stop being greedy. If CCP is in need of the extra capital they should drop the price to 2-3$ per ship hull per skin. If this was the case I think the vast majority of players would drop a few bucks on their favorite ship(hull) But as it stands I think CCP has its head in the clouds, I mean 36$ on a poorly done Super Cap Skin?
And before you start sir/ma'am trollsalot; yes I know art cost a lot of money but I can buy cosmetic Items on a free to play game cheaper then I can on EVE, a game that I pay to play ever month.With that whats your thoughts? (lets please keep this somewhat civil)
OMW, not another one of these "rage against the establishment ops"
You already answered your own question, so this post is an obvious rant.
1. Free market principle does not mean everything is free. It means that a Business is free to charge whatever they believe their product or service is worth. The Market then determines through volume of sales ( rising, falling, or steady) whether the consumer of that product agrees with the pricing model (Intrinsic Value).
declining Volume = Reduce sales risinfg Sales = ... you get the point.
2. This post is not about CCP greed. It is about your personal view of the Ship Skins intrinsic value. They are a novelty item!! Would I pay the current market value for them? Heck no! Why? Because there are other in game things I place a higher value on. And its not because I think CCP is greedy.
3. If you purchase a cosmetic item in a F2P game... It's not free lol. You killed your own argument with that statement. Please stop being a victim and become an Eve community asset. Have a wonderful day!
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co.
483
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Posted - 2015.09.22 10:56:12 -
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Bosswoman wrote:Ship skins.... yeah I know shame on me for starting another thread on this Topic but I don't like the greedy way CCP is heading with the current business model in regards to ship skins. So last time I checked EVE Online was not a "Free To Play Game" So why for the love of sweet baby Jebus are the prices for ship skins so high? Using the base price of 900 AUR = 5.00$. You get 1$ = 180 AUR That over 4.00$ for a Frigate and 8.50$ For a Battleship skin. Worst part is that the Skin is only for one ship not even the ship hull. Lets look at the Typhoon, Typhoon Fleet Issue and Panther, they are all the same ship hull with no variations and yet we have to pay $8.50 for each? Come on CCP stop being greedy. If CCP is in need of the extra capital they should drop the price to 2-3$ per ship hull per skin. If this was the case I think the vast majority of players would drop a few bucks on their favorite ship(hull) But as it stands I think CCP has its head in the clouds, I mean 36$ on a poorly done Super Cap Skin? And before you start sir/ma'am trollsalot; yes I know art cost a lot of money but I can buy cosmetic Items on a free to play game cheaper then I can on EVE, a game that I pay to play ever month. With that whats your thoughts? (lets please keep this somewhat civil)
Don't want to pay for it? Don't buy it. Please close topic.
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Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
69
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Posted - 2015.09.22 11:21:51 -
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Outlawd wrote:
Of course they are! How many of them have you seen? I have better things than skins to buy with ISK.
As I said above, this is entirely about affordability. If you want your ship to look different, you pay your money and move on. They don't have to lower the cost just because you can't justify spending 8 euros on a skin. That's your financial dilemma, not theirs.
I described a f2p model. A p2w model would be to allow people to buy ships, or mods. Limiting people to systems (in a theoretical sense) does not make it p2w, it just limits your interaction with the game.
In conclusion, you both seem to be affected with the same malaise of not understanding financial ascendance and affordability.
I can afford it, but i won't pay 8Gé¼ for a texture which i can make myself in Photoshop in 5min. For 8Gé¼ i can get a nice indie game or an AAA game during Steam sale!
The lower the price, the higher the chance people will buy it and in the end the seller makes more profit because a lot more people are buying stuff. Thats how microtransactions in F2P games work.
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Boom Laison
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2015.09.22 11:21:51 -
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Rather remove possibility to convert PLEX to AUR. Instead of absorbing existing PLEXes it created more pressure on new PLEXes, so the price of the PLEX went up almost twice since skinns were introduced. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
349
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Posted - 2015.09.22 11:28:45 -
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True, the price for SKINs hardly seems reasonable at first glance: Most ship SKINs require basically no development time or any kind of work for that matter. Look at the Raata Sunset or Wyirkomi Skins for example: They are exactly the same textures and the same models we have on our ships anyway, just with a changed set of colours. And even the ones that have different textures can be made by a single half-decent 3d artist in just a few hours time. SKINs are as low-effort as microtransactions content gets.
Now, does that mean I hate SKINs or think they are overpriced? Quite the contrary. Apparently, people are buying them, despite them giving no advantage in terms of game mechanics, otherwise CCP would not be pushing out more and more. That's money for CCP. Money they probably need, if they want to keep the game going. They are struggling with a generation of players, that mostly rejects subscription models, while having a player base, that mostly rejects "Free to Play", DLC and Microtransactions. They are struggling with decreased subscriber numbers as well, and on top of that, the price for a subscription has not really changed in 12 Years.
Despite all of that, CCP as a company still has to grow. You don't have to like it - I know I don't - but that's how our free enterprise economy works. If a company doesn't grow, it dies.
CCP has been looking into ways to make money besides the subscription fees over the years, and I applaud them for trying to not completely break the game in the process. Most other companies would have given in and put special edition ships and "gold ammo" into the store by this point, if not gone "free to play" (which is a disgusting euphemism, really) alltogether or been bought by Electronic Arts (you can Imagine the game would have died not two years after that).
Now, if SKINs were just a few cents eache, I'd assume everyone would have the ones they want to fly at this point, and the whole thing would be dead already. I'd assume the prices as they are give CCP much more mileage out of the idea, and that's in the end really just good for us as players. If anything, I'd say give us more overly expensive low-effort vanity crap. As long as people are buying it, it helps keep the game alive. |
Outlawd
Evian Industries
EVIAN NATION
20
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Posted - 2015.09.22 11:33:37 -
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Algarion Getz wrote:
I can afford it, but i won't pay 8Gé¼ for a texture which i can make myself in Photoshop in 5min. For 8Gé¼ i can get a nice indie game or an AAA game during Steam sale!
The lower the price, the higher the chance people will buy it and in the end the seller makes more profit because a lot more people are buying stuff. Thats how microtransactions work.
Why do you not understand that, that, is not the business model they have adopted?!
If you are resolute enough to not be subjugate to your emotional need, then good for you. However, if you could afford it, you wouldn't be comparing it to other things for the same money. Either way, I don't care, to be frank.
Honestly, just stop replying without thinking. Have a sit down, maybe a coffee and actually think about it. Then, I will reply to you in a more civil manner. |
Irridan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.09.22 11:37:41 -
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Bosswoman wrote:
bla bla bla
With that whats your thoughts?
(lets please keep this somewhat civil)
You are obviously unfair.
EVE not F2P? Come on. Really Karl?
How much is PLEX nowadays? 19.99$ = 1kkk.
How much time is needed to farm 1kkk?
How many people simply pay with PLEX?
10 years ago, when there were no PLEX at all eve was P2P.
But today - not.
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
351
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Posted - 2015.09.22 11:55:13 -
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Irridan wrote:You are obviously unfair.
EVE not F2P? Come on. Really Karl?
How much is PLEX nowadays? 19.99$ = 1kkk.
How much time is needed to farm 1kkk?
How many people simply pay with PLEX?
10 years ago, when there were no PLEX at all eve was P2P.
But today - not.
The Plex Price and ISK faucets don't make Eve any more F2P today than it was way back when. Yes, it seems easy to get the billion together each month to PLEX your account for you. But think further: The sole fact that you can even buy the PLEX at all, means, that for each player like you, who finds it easy to farm ISK, there is at least one who doesn't. So much so even, that not only does he not PLEX his account, but he pays his subscription fee twice to keep going. And considering that there are who knows how many PLEX out there not being used but hoarded for speculation, there are probably a lot more people who don't have the ISK to spare than people who do. One PLEX activated for a month of game time is always at least one subscription fee paid by a player. That holds true no matter how much a PLEX is worth on the market, be it 150M or 1B. It was true in 2008, when PLEX was not yet even a thing and people traded gametime codes and it's just as true now. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25104
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Posted - 2015.09.22 12:24:25 -
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Non essential luxury items command a luxury price, who'da thunk it.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Tisiphone Dira
New Order Logistics
CODE.
332
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Posted - 2015.09.22 12:46:44 -
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Looking good is only a luxury to those who have never tried it Jonah. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25107
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Posted - 2015.09.22 12:55:37 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:Looking good is only a luxury to those who have never tried it Jonah. Kobe beef is only a luxury to those that have never tried it too, it's still a luxury 
Isn't it about time you got that demon exorcised?
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
2230
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Posted - 2015.09.22 13:02:24 -
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Irridan wrote:Bosswoman wrote:
bla bla bla
With that whats your thoughts?
(lets please keep this somewhat civil)
You are obviously unfair. EVE not F2P? Come on. Really Karl? How much is PLEX nowadays? 19.99$ = 1kkk. How much time is needed to farm 1kkk? How many people simply pay with PLEX? 10 years ago, when there were no PLEX at all eve was P2P. But today - not.
Someone had to pay money for that PLEX to exist on the market so the subscription price was still paid. The only difference is a 3rd arty is involved.
As for sin prices, if the prices doesn't fit, don't buy that ****. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
12428
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Posted - 2015.09.22 13:03:56 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Non essential luxury items command a luxury price, who'da thunk it.
A society and a specific generation that thinks everything should be free, that's who.
I don't care fore 180 dollar skins, so I don't buy 180 dollar skins. I also don't complain to the people selling them that they should make them more affordable for me.
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Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
69
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Posted - 2015.09.22 13:05:38 -
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Outlawd wrote:Algarion Getz wrote:
I can afford it, but i won't pay 8Gé¼ for a texture which i can make myself in Photoshop in 5min. For 8Gé¼ i can get a nice indie game or an AAA game during Steam sale!
The lower the price, the higher the chance people will buy it and in the end the seller makes more profit because a lot more people are buying stuff. Thats how microtransactions work.
Why do you not understand that, that, is not the business model they have adopted?!
But they should use the micro transaction model. A lot more people would use SKINs. It seems weird to me that CCP spends so much time to develep a technical framework for dynamic skins (a few years ago they told us a lot of work needs to be done before we can have skins) and then puts the feature behind a high barrier (high price) so that only a few players will/can use it. (From what i have seen ingame, maybe 1% uses SKINs)
Maybe they have more plans for SKINs, i.e. make temporary SKINs a common reward, so that the permanent ones are something special, but at the moment they just seem overpriced.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25108
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Posted - 2015.09.22 13:16:56 -
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Algarion Getz wrote:Outlawd wrote:Algarion Getz wrote:
I can afford it, but i won't pay 8Gé¼ for a texture which i can make myself in Photoshop in 5min. For 8Gé¼ i can get a nice indie game or an AAA game during Steam sale!
The lower the price, the higher the chance people will buy it and in the end the seller makes more profit because a lot more people are buying stuff. Thats how microtransactions work.
Why do you not understand that, that, is not the business model they have adopted?! But they should use the micro transaction model. A lot more people would use SKINs. It seems weird to me that CCP spends so much time to develep a technical framework for dynamic skins (a few years ago they told us a lot of work needs to be done before we can have skins) and then puts the feature behind a high barrier (high price) so that only a few players will/can use it. (From what i have seen ingame, maybe 1% uses SKINs) Maybe they have more plans for SKINs, i.e. add corportion SKINs and make temporary SKINs a common reward, so that the SKIN feature gets widespread use and the unique, permanent ones become something special, but at the moment SKINs just seem overpriced. The current skin prices are a microtransaction when compared to some of the other nonessential vanity items that are sold via the NEX store; somebody at CCP probably misspelt micro when they looked up the definition pre Incarna and we ended up with macro transactions.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
14000
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Posted - 2015.09.22 13:59:51 -
[27] - Quote
I just got one for 40m, you're saying I got ripped off? Wut? Thats like just one or two lvl4 missions....
I'd buy more, but so few I like, nothing to do with the cost of them.
I'm in it for the money
Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
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Thomas Lot
Mechanical Engineers
0
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Posted - 2015.09.22 14:16:29 -
[28] - Quote
I kind of like the Isk-Aur ratio being so different on various hull skins and other vanity items. When I have a bit of Aur from a markee dragon purchase I can browse the ingame market and the skin store to see how I can maximize my purchase. A couple of times I have been able to manipulate the market where I was able to purchase Plex In-Game for about a 30% discount over what the current market was at the time. |
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
607
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Posted - 2015.09.22 14:18:00 -
[29] - Quote
Still cheap skins and can get them with isk via plex. Good model I find. Is optional and doesnt affect game play. No concern. Common statement. Subs pay for the infrastructure that runs a lower playerbase game. Eve has more intense hardware requirements than most games.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Mai Khumm
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
681
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Posted - 2015.09.22 14:52:52 -
[30] - Quote
As long as we don't get "Golden Ammo" I don't care...
They can charge what they want for what they want!
/thread
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
12432
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Posted - 2015.09.22 14:54:26 -
[31] - Quote
Mai Khumm wrote:As long as we don't get "Golden Ammo" I don't care...
They can charge what they want for what they want!
/thread
I second that /Thread
Hey ISDs, didn't y'all know that 2 declarations of /thread means close it? It's in the Constitution, go look it up 
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
3128
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Posted - 2015.09.22 15:00:54 -
[32] - Quote
I have seen what F2P vanity items cost, a dollar for a hat, 2~3 dollars for an outfit, another 1~2 for shoes, 3~4 for a weapon cover, up to 8 for a pet, and they just keep going. Worst part they have a limited timeframe.
So I am more than ok to pay CCP prices for permanent vanity items.
If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
32354
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Posted - 2015.09.22 15:53:42 -
[33] - Quote
Omnathious Deninard wrote:I have seen what F2P vanity items cost, a dollar for a hat, 2~3 dollars for an outfit, another 1~2 for shoes, 3~4 for a weapon cover, up to 8 for a pet, and they just keep going. Worst part they have a limited timeframe.
So I am more than ok to pay CCP prices for permanent vanity items.
CCP alt spotted
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Verstal
Incredibuilders United
82
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Posted - 2015.09.22 16:19:24 -
[34] - Quote
Great thing any about business model is that it will prove itself right or wrong based on the customers demand for the content. The effort to make skins is very small once you have the base model and textures, its something you can do in photoshop in about 2 minutes.
I wouldn't worry about it honestly if nobody buys them at the price they are at then they will be price reduced down to nothing for me I turned off the ship skinning to save video memory.
Since I know the effort required I would buy a ship package or maybe gift them to someone else for 5 dollars worth of isk or about 250m at the current Plex rate. By package I mean all skins for 1 ship, for supers I might go as high as 500m for all or 10$.
They don't even change the effects on the ships to a special color or something more interesting if you want to compete with Riot games at least study what they do then create your content.
I am sure you know some people at Riot, ask them. :-)
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25114
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Posted - 2015.09.22 16:48:10 -
[35] - Quote
Verstal wrote: The effort to make skins is very small once you have the base model and textures, its something you can do in photoshop in about 2 minutes. If this is so, how come CCP didn't introduce it years ago, and why was T'Amber/Apricot Baby the main source of potential ship skins before CCP ran with it? If it was as easy as you assume it to be, there should have been many more people extracting base models and textures, then dropping them into photoshop and creating stuff for us to drool over.
Quote:Since I know the effort required Given your previous nonsensical "I am a dev" posting about the direction that CCP are taking Eve I would have to say that you're telling pork pies.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
2232
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Posted - 2015.09.22 16:51:15 -
[36] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:As long as we don't get "Golden Ammo" I don't care...
They can charge what they want for what they want!
/thread I second that /Thread Hey ISDs, didn't y'all know that 2 declarations of /thread means close it? It's in the Constitution, go look it up
The constitution does not apply to privately owned board.
/thread |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
12436
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Posted - 2015.09.22 16:52:22 -
[37] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:As long as we don't get "Golden Ammo" I don't care...
They can charge what they want for what they want!
/thread I second that /Thread Hey ISDs, didn't y'all know that 2 declarations of /thread means close it? It's in the Constitution, go look it up The constitution does not apply to privately owned board. /thread
That's 3 /threads now, we're moving into Magna Carta territory here.
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
3128
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Posted - 2015.09.22 16:53:42 -
[38] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:I have seen what F2P vanity items cost, a dollar for a hat, 2~3 dollars for an outfit, another 1~2 for shoes, 3~4 for a weapon cover, up to 8 for a pet, and they just keep going. Worst part they have a limited timeframe.
So I am more than ok to pay CCP prices for permanent vanity items. CCP alt spotted
I'm flattered, you are wrong, but I am flattered nonetheless.
If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25114
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Posted - 2015.09.22 16:56:28 -
[39] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mai Khumm wrote:As long as we don't get "Golden Ammo" I don't care...
They can charge what they want for what they want!
/thread I second that /Thread Hey ISDs, didn't y'all know that 2 declarations of /thread means close it? It's in the Constitution, go look it up The constitution does not apply to privately owned board. /thread That's 3 /threads now, we're moving into Magna Carta territory here. 60 of the 63 clauses of the Magna Carta are no longer part of English Law. Denied
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
6323
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Posted - 2015.09.22 17:06:01 -
[40] - Quote
If the price is too high, people will not buy it, which means the price will come down on it's own until what CCP feels is the "sweet spot" is hit.
Personally, I'd like to see them swing a bit lower as well... but then again, I won't be spending real money for them either.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
5381
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Posted - 2015.09.22 17:14:30 -
[41] - Quote
I haven't purchased any skins yet (I do have legacy ones from the free aurum they handed out when NES opened).
I would if they were more affordable. |
DaReaper
Net 7
2566
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Posted - 2015.09.22 17:25:18 -
[42] - Quote
I bought a few and will again if i see some i like.
Its not a poor business model, though the prices are a tad high, but its ccp game and company and they can set whatever damn price for a vanity or non essential item they want.
stop whining and if you don;t like them then *gasp* don;t buy them
/thread
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
1755
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Posted - 2015.09.22 18:32:01 -
[43] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:i think they are a tad expensive yeah but hardly outrageously so.
hardly matters though , they are vanity items so...
pretty much. although I did spend ~2.5bil for a rattler VE, and ~3bil on a quafe mega a while back. There are a few others I wouldn't mind getting, but not really worth it to me quite yet. The oracle skins look pretty nice, and I like a few other ones, but with just the number of ships I can fly, and the price of skins I probably won't be buying them at a high rate, but probably will pick a few up here and there.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
1195
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Posted - 2015.09.22 21:51:07 -
[44] - Quote
Not sure how many years it might take for CCP to recoup the eve player cash they threw down the pan on dust and vampires, but if i was the corporate them, i'd try and milk it back from the eve community via skins and the likes, so i dunno - working as intended?
Concord Approved Trader
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Cancel Align NOW
Maas Industries
592
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Posted - 2015.09.22 22:02:56 -
[45] - Quote
Each to their own. I prefer to play with my zoom out to see at least 3/4 of grid - alas I just see dots brackets and icons. |
Harry Saq
Blueprint Haus
Blades of Grass
121
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Posted - 2015.09.22 22:12:37 -
[46] - Quote
The way they implemented skins is a ridiculous wasted opportunity and a short sighted money grab. There is no reason why skins couldn't be a basic ship customizing tool based on various templates and color swatches etc. They should have been a regular ingame feature that added flavor to ships you manufacture/purchase, not an immersion breaking money grab.
The thing that makes this game so stale is that even though you built it, nothing about it feels like it is unique to you or different from others....and by it, I mean literally everything manufactured.
See this:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5599875#post5599875
this:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5457452#post5457452
this:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5438577#post5438577
...but mainly this:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5424964#post5424964 |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
352
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Posted - 2015.09.22 22:19:09 -
[47] - Quote
Try defining yourself through the things you do, not the things you own. You might be surprised how unique you feel all of a sudden. |
Harry Saq
Blueprint Haus
Blades of Grass
121
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Posted - 2015.09.22 22:28:05 -
[48] - Quote
Neuntausend wrote:Try defining yourself through the things you do, not the things you own. You might be surprised how unique you feel all of a sudden.
Yawn... |
Marsha Mallow
2535
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Posted - 2015.09.22 23:12:01 -
[49] - Quote
Bosswoman wrote:I don't like the greedy way CCP is heading with the current business model in regards to ship skins.
With that whats your thoughts?
I'm not keen, but I'm hoping there's a reason. SKINS are being sold via Aurum which is handled at the backend (financially) differently to Plex. It might be an experiment in a new type of currency. They probably are trying to find the sweet spot with regard pricing so I'm not sure it's worth having a massive fit over whilst it's being tweaked. Although I too like to grumble and am not buying a thing. We kicked off over Monoclegate and $1000 jeans and basically curtailed attempts to revise the subscription model via vanity items, but the sub model really does need to change. These are purely vanity items, and bizarely there are people willing to spend $1000s on it. From a personal perspective, it's a concern that other players are chucking that type of money at digital items, but it's rife in gaming so... awkward. If it allows CCP to rebuild the subscription model so they can actually go FTP I support it. Even if it is rocky to start with. I just won't buy anything for the time being.
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Non essential luxury items command a luxury price, who'da thunk it.
Bet you didn't say this during Summer of Rage, lol
Jenn aSide wrote:A society and a specific generation that thinks everything should be free, that's who.
I don't care fore 180 dollar skins, so I don't buy 180 dollar skins. I also don't complain to the people selling them that they should make them more affordable for me.
Ummm no. I won't overpay for trash but I can see others doing so ingame (do a lot of recruitment etc so you see wallets/character purchases etc). Had one guy a few weeks ago show me a screeny of his eve-o account management showing $500 of Plex purchases a month. He's less than a year ingame, has multiple high sp characters, every super etc etc but has no idea how to play. You might normally write these people off as sillies, but that's a corpie in a tight knit group, so it does make you cringe. There is also a murky side with implementing this because it means explicity gouging wallet wielding numpties to benefit the wider community - but they're still part of our community and our mates, so. Yeh, not keen. I've seen a couple do this to such excess they had to RMT their way out of game to pay for basic RL stuff (ex, a boiler) and then got whacked with the banhammer and slid into really bad depression.
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: TO THE PITCHFORKMOBILE!
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Marsha Mallow
2535
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Posted - 2015.09.22 23:14:21 -
[50] - Quote
Neuntausend wrote:Try defining yourself through the things you do, not the things you own. You might be surprised how unique you feel all of a sudden.
True
Harry Saq wrote:Neuntausend wrote:Generic non-insightful yartard statement... Yawn...
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: TO THE PITCHFORKMOBILE!
Benny Ohu wrote: fire up the argument calibrators set phasers to outraged overheat keyboards reinforce the thread
Jenn aSide wrote: does anyone have any assless chaps I could borrow?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25118
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Posted - 2015.09.23 00:14:16 -
[51] - Quote
Marsha Mallow wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Non essential luxury items command a luxury price, who'da thunk it. Bet you didn't say this during Summer of Rage, lol Fair comment
That said, my beef in the summer of rage wasn't with the prices of the items that were initially available in the NEX store, it was CCP's blase and dismissive attitude to concerns about golden ships and ammo as well as the overall failure to deliver on promises and the worthless half-arsed implementation of WiS.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Nyu Kaminari
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2015.09.23 00:24:37 -
[52] - Quote
The skins are just extra. I don't mind the business model because most people who think they'd be irrelevant would never pay for them anyway. My nature is a little vein when it comes to EVE so as long as they are not charging 100 bucks and I can get most of them by trading in-game currency to Plex/AUR; seems alright to me. |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
149
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Posted - 2015.09.23 01:27:02 -
[53] - Quote
Skins are simply a money spinner for CCP, and have no relevance in the game. It is disappointing as destructible shiny painted corp and faction ships was something a lot of people were looking forward to. This has pushed that prospect way into the future now if ever at all..
Hopefully they can fleece as much as they can from those who want to play space barbie and put it into more interesting features.
Suggestion for a rebalance of ECM - Modulated ECM Effects
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
354
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Posted - 2015.09.23 01:48:40 -
[54] - Quote
What's a yartard? Is that even a word? When I google it, I find this thread, so it's probably not. |
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
305
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Posted - 2015.09.23 01:54:10 -
[55] - Quote
Don't like them, don't buy them.
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
241
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Posted - 2015.09.23 02:12:53 -
[56] - Quote
Prices are a bit high. Would be fine if it applied to the entire hull line and not one specific ship our of the line....
Been around since the beginning.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1588
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Posted - 2015.09.23 03:19:59 -
[57] - Quote
Neuntausend wrote:Try defining yourself through the things you do, not the things you own. You might be surprised how unique you feel all of a sudden.
Why would you buy something with no production limits to feel unique? I didn't acquire a skin to feel unique, I bought one because I felt the Golem looked better in Kaalakiota colors. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
14004
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Posted - 2015.09.23 04:02:30 -
[58] - Quote
Moac Tor wrote:Hopefully they can fleece as much as they can from those who want to play space barbie and put it into more interesting features.
Nice shirt, Bro!
I had one of those but in navy blue. I sold it for what isk I bought it for after I bought the full pirate faction suit that I have on right now using aur/cash. The eye thing I won in a forum competition. Bought one bomber skin with cash/aur and another frig skin with isk. It all doesn't look as cool as the old avatars, but dang bro!, you look amazing in that "barbie" suit. Rock ooon!
<-- btw far from a fan of WiS, but I've helped CCP recoop some loss after they repented from WiS and did things the way we wanted, I give them that. Note to CCP: Western style cowboy hats, naow! 
I'm in it for the money
Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
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Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
305
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Posted - 2015.09.23 06:24:22 -
[59] - Quote
Did you know some games now use operatives to haunt forums to create the impression of player-based support for their "new ideas" (which are actually modifications to fit business models)? Yeah. Odd, huh? Almost devious.
Ship skins. ROFLMAO. Ship skins.
Back from the 90-day suspension for speaking truth to power.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
14005
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Posted - 2015.09.23 06:33:26 -
[60] - Quote
Otso Bakarti wrote:[i]Did you know some games now use operatives to haunt forums
<-- CIA operative  Yeah, I pass intel and orders to the goons on what to do.
Forget western style cowboy hats, CCP tinfoil hats, naow!
I'm in it for the money
Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
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Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
152
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Posted - 2015.09.23 08:01:43 -
[61] - Quote
Webvan wrote:Moac Tor wrote:Hopefully they can fleece as much as they can from those who want to play space barbie and put it into more interesting features. Nice shirt, Bro!
Hehe well spotted. I am all for character and ship customisation, I just think the way they implemented skins is not interesting at all. The elaborate explanation for how it works is terrible, they don't obey any of the fundamental principles in eve. ie the items are not destructible or tradable once injected, and they offer a relatively low degree of customisation.
Suggestion for a rebalance of ECM - Modulated ECM Effects
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
354
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Posted - 2015.09.23 12:52:39 -
[62] - Quote
Webvan wrote:Otso Bakarti wrote:[i]Did you know some games now use operatives to haunt forums <-- CIA operative Yeah, I pass intel and orders to the goons on what to do. Forget western style cowboy hats, CCP tinfoil hats, naow!
You are not very good at that whole "secret" thing. You are fired. |
Chocolate Mooses
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
50
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Posted - 2015.09.23 14:22:34 -
[63] - Quote
Also the price of PLEX is too high, ganking should be punished by flogging, eve is dying, and grrrr gons. |
Ortus Maleficus
Lambent Enterprises
30
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Posted - 2015.09.23 15:04:45 -
[64] - Quote
My problem with ship skins is that they're not "look at me" enough.
Before the SKIN system, they were special ships. That was cool -- you felt like a bad ass flying something special.
Now no one gives a **** what my skips colors are.
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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
149
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Posted - 2015.09.23 15:08:02 -
[65] - Quote
What's with the barrage of hate threads lately? they've always been around but it seems there's far more of them right now than one would expect given the decent state of the game atm. |
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
1265
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Posted - 2015.09.23 15:44:12 -
[66] - Quote
Make one SKIN apply to a range of different hulls and I'll gladly pay 4 to 8 dollars for one. But 8 bucks for a skin on 1 ship? No thanks. Too expensive. Especially since, let's be realistic here, I'm the only one who is ever going to really see it. The only SKINs worth getting for the purpose of showing off are capital skins.
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Anthar Thebess
1308
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Posted - 2015.09.23 15:48:40 -
[67] - Quote
They are fine , they don't imbalance game .
For me AURUM should be only available by $ purchases not by plex exchange.
Now instead of giving $ to game , they just burn plex supplies stocked on many player accounts.
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Zebator Melkan
Eagle Feathers
0
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Posted - 2015.09.23 16:30:29 -
[68] - Quote
I am sure this has been said but it is worth saying again. yup just three posts up. so i will add what he said
Re-using unique skins and selling them is bullshit!
The only skins that should be available for purchase are new skins specifically created for purchase. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
358
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Posted - 2015.09.23 18:05:15 -
[69] - Quote
Ortus Maleficus wrote:My problem with ship skins is that they're not "look at me" enough.
Before the SKIN system, they were special ships. That was cool -- you felt like a bad ass flying something special.
Now no one gives a **** what my skips colors are.
People never cared about the color of your Ship. People start caring when the actual hull is rare, no matter the color. So don't worry - if you are flying around in your Armageddon Imperial Issue, people will still want to kill you. And if you decide to sell your Guardian Vexor you will still get bajillions of ISK for it. Skins don't replace special edition and AT ships, and neither should they. You can still be a snowflake with a rare ship. |
Marsha Mallow
2538
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Posted - 2015.09.23 20:32:07 -
[70] - Quote
Chocolate Mooses wrote:ganking should be punished by flogging
You want to punish the people killing afk porn addicts by... making them watch porn?
>.>
'Log before you flog' is just as important as 'don't fly what you can't afford to lose'. And it should be enforced, creatively.
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: TO THE PITCHFORKMOBILE!
Benny Ohu wrote: fire up the argument calibrators set phasers to outraged overheat keyboards reinforce the thread
Jenn aSide wrote: does anyone have any assless chaps I could borrow?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25128
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Posted - 2015.09.23 20:40:49 -
[71] - Quote
Marsha Mallow wrote:'Log before you flog' is just as important as 'don't fly what you can't afford to lose'. I lolled IRL.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
71
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Posted - 2015.09.23 21:49:48 -
[72] - Quote
Moac Tor wrote:Skins are simply a money spinner for CCP, and have no relevance in the game. It is disappointing as destructible shiny painted corp and faction ships was something a lot of people were looking forward to. This has pushed that prospect way into the future now if ever at all..
This.
When they announced skins, many people, including me, thought that we would finally get a way to customize the looks of your ships. They even showed us an awesome editor for selfmade skins! What did we get in the end? Overpriced, prefabricated skins. ~12Gé¼ for a skin which can only be used on 1 battleship. Thats ridiculously expensive.
The SKIN feature in its current form is a huge waste of potential. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
9805
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Posted - 2015.09.23 21:59:44 -
[73] - Quote
But its making money!
They are making money here! Money, money, money!
Maybe not a lot, and it feels like a free to play store with subscription aded for good measure but its always better than nothing.
Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
614
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Posted - 2015.09.23 22:30:22 -
[74] - Quote
Moac Tor wrote:
Hehe well spotted. I am all for character and ship customisation, I just think the way they implemented skins is not interesting at all. The elaborate explanation for how it works is terrible, they don't obey any of the fundamental principles in eve. ie the items are not destructible or tradable once injected, and they offer a relatively low degree of customisation.
Well, they were initially destructible. The very first ship skin attempt was applied during the manufacturing phase but didn't fly. Then they went to the one where it is assigned to the character as a nanoparticle license or something and people bought em. I have a nice share of skins. Note my jacket too.
In my case, it is twofold. First, I see it, and eve is a visual experience. It connects to me on my roleplay side. Second, the few dollars I kinda consider a tip to the company. Is pricing off? I dunno. I didn't mind the price though it would be nice if we can get packages.
I paid actual dollars to get this stuff. Compared AUR to plex to market and found the best way. I got my space barbie stuff, and have no regrets to it. It enhances my gameplay simply because of how my brain works with getting immersed into an experience. It is a visual I like more when seeing my avatar, seeing my ship, etc.
Why do people care what color their car is when the purpose of paint is to keep it from rusting? Why is every vehicle on the road not Tremclad orange? Why do people pay thousands on top of a base price just to have a fancy color?
Simple answer, we are animals. Billions of years of evolution from being just amino acids in a pool means we have parts of our body and minds that respond subconciously to stimulus. Ship skins appeal to that. It doesnt have to be logical, only that it does. So our subconcious grapples with our logical conciousness and as such, I have the collection of sanctuary skins for my SoE ships I infrequently use, and a skin for my Basalisk which I rarely fly. Simply because it tickles my subconcious more than the cost of getting them.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
361
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Posted - 2015.09.23 22:36:27 -
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I really wonder what's bad about CCP making money. It's not like they are forcing you to buy this stuff. You really don't need SKINs for anything.
Those SKINs existing does not even rule out custom SKINs in the future. To the contrary, I believe it was stated in one of those Dev blogs, that the new graphics model and the SKIN system pave the way for custom SKINs. Only that having a SKIN editor ingame requires a bit more development than just a predefined set of textures and colors. And now that they have the new graphics model, dishing out a few premade SKINs is a good way to quickly make some money on the side, without hurting the game. And CCP making money is a good thing for Eve players (us). |
Marsha Mallow
2542
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Posted - 2015.09.23 23:33:01 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Right. And I really wonder how sompe people percieve it as a bad thing when CCP is making money. It's not like they are forcing anyone to buy this stuff. You really don't need SKINs for anything.
Those SKINs existing does not even rule out custom SKINs in the future. To the contrary, I believe it was stated in one of those Dev blogs, that the new graphics model and the SKIN system pave the way for custom SKINs. Only that having a SKIN editor ingame requires a bit more development than just a predefined set of textures and colors. And now that they have the new graphics model, dishing out a few premade SKINs is a good way to quickly make some money on the side, without hurting the game. And CCP making money is a good thing for Eve players (us).
Well, we are all armchair economists, game designers and polymaths. No, really.
Or maybe we just like commentating and chatting about stuff. Discussion is good. Some useable bits might emerge, and CCP might use some. The 'EvE is dying' rhetoric is tricky to wade through but it's just verbal shorthand to make a point forcefully, and it gets people involved. Which is good sometimes, rattle some cages, gets people involved.
The only reason I'm not pursuing this one is because I'm hoping there's a larger agenda behind it. If nothing pops out of value in a reasonable timeframe, or there's a whiff of PTW I'd treat it as a knife in the back after being patient and respond in kind.
But actually commenting that something is retardedly overpriced and your mates might be gouged (even if you won't) isn't selfish, petty or entitled. Quite the reverse.
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: TO THE PITCHFORKMOBILE!
Benny Ohu wrote: fire up the argument calibrators set phasers to outraged overheat keyboards reinforce the thread
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Amber Starview
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2015.09.24 00:42:44 -
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A rare item that makes you look awesome/different is ofc going to come at a premium ,kinda like my dad who complains I buy 300 dollar shoes and his do the same thing but for a fraction of the cost .....yeah they shoes but they ain't shoes I would wear .
Yes this community is like my dad ,hates expense and hates change .
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Ferrucio Surge
Solaris Legionnaires
22
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Posted - 2015.09.24 04:04:26 -
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I agree, the prices could be a bit lower. But not by much. Hopefully the SKINs concept will be improving over time, and I do intend to keep getting them. I have a few ideas for them, but the cost isn't a big issue. Just make more money. After all, they're suppossed to be luxury items. |
Bosswoman
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2015.09.24 06:28:11 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Right. And I really wonder how sompe people percieve it as a bad thing when CCP is making money. It's not like they are forcing anyone to buy this stuff. You really don't need SKINs for anything.
Those SKINs existing does not even rule out custom SKINs in the future. To the contrary, I believe it was stated in one of those Dev blogs, that the new graphics model and the SKIN system pave the way for custom SKINs. Only that having a SKIN editor ingame requires a bit more development than just a predefined set of textures and colors. And now that they have the new graphics model, dishing out a few premade SKINs is a good way to quickly make some money on the side, without hurting the game. And CCP making money is a good thing for Eve players (us).
My problem with this, and I feel like most people are failing to see this, is as follows: CCP is using money that we (as a community) give them to play, manage, and develop the game to make ship skins (and other cosmetic items) and then selling it back to us at an overpriced amount. Its not being sold to us with a small tax saying hey we need to make some money off this... its a flat out cash grab. I don't like having my money used to develop something then be told that if I like it I have to pay for it again .
Secondly If CCP is in a state of needing extra money due to whatever the reasons may be then they should be selling this for 2-3 dollars per skin for said ship hull. If this was the case I would fully support this. I love EVE and want to see it grow and prosper but the above business model is not healthy for the game and to be honest its really just a crappy was to treat your paying customers. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25138
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Posted - 2015.09.24 13:46:31 -
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Bosswoman wrote:My problem with this, and I feel like most people are failing to see this, is as follows: CCP is using money that we (as a community) give them to play, manage, and develop the game to make ship skins (and other cosmetic items) and then selling it back to us at an overpriced amount. Its not being sold to us with a small tax saying hey we need to make some money off this... its a flat out cash grab. I don't like having my money used to develop something then be told that if I like it I have to pay for it again . You don't have to buy them.
Every corporation in the world takes the money that you use to buy their products and services and uses it to create new products and services to sell to you, it's commonly known as being in business.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Jessica Danikov
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
450
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Posted - 2015.09.25 19:51:09 -
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Valve's experimentation with item pricing on Steam tends to suggest that there's a strong tendency to overprice things and lower prices can result in overall higher profits, especially when it comes to virtual goods with a static production cost and negligible reproduction cost. Even then, that doesn't mean you flatline costs all the time, having periodic sales and limited availability also has an effect on driving consumer interest.
I fully expect CCP to price SKINs in a way that is mainly profitable, but given the current price points, I reckon they are screwing themselves out of income... but it's probably someone's job and they think they know better and it's their responsibility on whether or how to take a risk on experimenting with different price approaches. There's a chance they don't even read the forums, but they must have stats on how many people actually buy SKINs and I hope they're tapped into the community sufficiently to know that most people aren't happy with the current price scheme. |
Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
509
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Posted - 2015.09.25 20:03:23 -
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my concern is what happens if they change the ship model:
1. do we get screwed and our ship skin goes extinct and we have to buy a new one.
2. If we dont like the skin on the new model, do we get a refund of the skin?
3. Does CCP keep the current model even though it should be changed just because skins are available for it and people might be pissed to have paid for a skin and now the skin would be different / useless ?
Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
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Zebator Melkan
Eagle Feathers
1
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Posted - 2015.09.28 23:29:32 -
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Existing skins should not be used.
they have an art department create something unique and worth buying. Using existing skins that already have a specific history in the game is a lazy cash grab.
Generate something new and you get money without bitching. |
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