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Fire Giant
Caldari
Wolfenrecon
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.12.20 16:30:00 -
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He was in a 0.8 belt and had about 4 hammerhead drones swarming him. I was there basically to gather wrecks for salvage but since his drones had killed the rats I will get flagged for opening and cleaning out the cargo before I salvage so here is my question:
1. If I clean out his can and get flagged will his drones attacke me?
2. If his drones attacke me I assume I can fire back correct?
3. If #2 is yes can I also attack his mining barge as well?
4. If I steal from his can and his drones attack can I attack his drones and his barge?
Just wanna be clear before I make a mistake and get popped by concord
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Paddlefoot Aeon
Neogen Industries
Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2006.12.20 16:31:00 -
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Try it in a tech 1 frig...
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Beef Hardslab
AlphaHivE
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Posted - 2006.12.20 16:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Fire Giant
1. If I clean out his can and get flagged will his drones attacke me?
2. If his drones attacke me I assume I can fire back correct?
3. If #2 is yes can I also attack his mining barge as well?
4. If I steal from his can and his drones attack can I attack his drones and his barge?
1. If he is a macro, chances are he isn't going to attack you. Make sure he's in a noob corp though, just in case.
2. Yes if he attacks you are free to attack back.
3. Yes
4. Yes
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PathetiQ
Gallente
The Rat Pack
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Posted - 2006.12.20 16:33:00 -
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If you steal any can that its not your the corp or the player (if hes not in a corp) can attack you freely. If they do so, you can fireback without any sec status penality and without being concordEDEKEKE!
so:
1. basicly AFK player drone attack NPC automatically, and not Player...(that may happen) ;)
2. yes
3. yes
4. yes
Stealing stuff since 1969!
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CreEDLom
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.20 16:39:00 -
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If he left his drones out then he is not a Macro Miner. If he were to warp away with drones out then they would be left behind. Or can Macro turds automate poping drones and having another ship pick up whats in a can?
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Fire Giant
Caldari
Wolfenrecon
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.12.20 16:39:00 -
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Ok....thanks for the replies.
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Lysit Kaune
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.12.20 16:52:00 -
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I've seen a few macrominers that seem to auto drop and pick up drones. You tend to see them more when drones are less buggy (Followed one macro group cos a retriever had left 4 of its 5 drones, when it went into a new system to mine I tanked the rats with my own drones:P)
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Serianant
Gallente
Genos Occidere
Edge of Sanity
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Posted - 2006.12.20 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon
Try it in a tech 1 frig...
Seriously doubt a T1 frig could take out a barge in .8 before Concord came and pwnt him. In .5 you would have a better chance (slower response time for Concord), but still none whatsoever of killing him.
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WredStorm
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.12.20 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: WredStorm on 20/12/2006 20:42:03
Edited by: WredStorm on 20/12/2006 20:38:49
Pre-Kali the drones will not attack you. Post-Kali I suspect the same is still true, but couldn't say with 100% certainty.
Before the Kali update, though, I was jet-can mining and saw someone in an industrial warp in a few km from me and start heading towards me. I had a bunch of hobgoblins in my drone bay for dealing with any NPCs and launched them and targeted him as soon as I saw this ore thief heading towards me... I also warned him on local to please head in another direction, that I was not macro-mining.
He ignored my warning in local and I was expecting my drones to start pounding on him the moment he took ore out of my jet-can; at a minimum I figured I'd order them to attack him as soon he flashed red at me. He gets close to my jet-can and starts to align towards a starbase. I suddenly see the majority of my ore disappear from my jetcan and my drones are still there floating around me and my overview doesn't show the guy as blinking red, so I figure I can't order my drones to attack him yet.
I quickly close and reopen my overview and now the guy is suddenly blinking red (meaning I can safely attack him without Concord getting into the fray) yet my drones weren't doing a thing. I ended up having to manually tell them to engage him which occurred just as he was warping away.
Net loss: about 30 minutes of mining, so no big deal.
Net gain: some good information regarding how drones work... they won't attack another player automatically just because you have gained the right to attack them without Concord's interferance... you have to tell them to. In hind-sight this is probably a darn good thing, too, because otherwise any nasty pirate with a -5.0 or lower rating that came near someone with drones out would find drones shooting at them and giving said pirate the right to attack back. Learning as much as I did from this little scenario was well worth the loss of 30 minutes worth of ore.
How does this apply to the OP? If the guy is really macro mining then his drones won't auto-attack you. Even if his macro program launches and pulls back in his drones when he is warping around you're still almost assuredly safe, because I doubt his macro program is smart enough to know that another PC is approaching, has taken his ore, and is then capable of targeting you and ordering his drones to attack you. If you don't see him targeting you then you know for sure he can't order his drones to attack you and as mentioned above, I don't believe they'll auto-attack you as they wouldn't pre-kali.
Wred
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Tornan
Minmatar
Oberon Incorporated
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.12.20 20:54:00 -
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A little off topic but lets say I am jet can mining in a gang, with one gangmate chilling at a moon, some one comes in and steals my ore, can my gangmate warp on him and take him out?
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JeanClaude DuSoir
Gallente
Anqara Industries
Serenus Letum
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Posted - 2006.12.20 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tornan
A little off topic but lets say I am jet can mining in a gang, with one gangmate chilling at a moon, some one comes in and steals my ore, can my gangmate warp on him and take him out?
Yes, if the gangmate is in your corp.
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syphurous
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2006.12.20 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: JeanClaude DuSoir
Yes, if the gangmate is in your corp.
I was sure it was any gang mates reguardless of Corp.
Does this count NPC corps ?
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Beef Hardslab
AlphaHivE
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Posted - 2006.12.20 22:01:00 -
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No
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Semblence
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Posted - 2006.12.20 23:02:00 -
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Edited by: Semblence on 20/12/2006 23:05:05
Originally by: CreEDLom
If he left his drones out then he is not a Macro Miner. If he were to warp away with drones out then they would be left behind. Or can Macro turds automate poping drones and having another ship pick up whats in a can?
Completely wrong I'm afraid. Macros always have their drones out in any belt that has NPCs (or their shields on permananently, or both.)
Drones will automatically attack NPCs that shoot you, meaning that in empire most farmers can ignore rats.
Therefore, there is no point making a macro that picks up left-behind drones. They cost nothing and they already attack NPCs automatically.
Ask around in channel macrointel in-game if you need advice on macrohunting.
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Sean Dillon
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.20 23:24:00 -
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Swap his can with a "harmless" shuttle, if he kills it dock and return with a bigger ship.
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Cookie
Snakeoil Industries Ltd.
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Posted - 2006.12.20 23:37:00 -
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Quote:
He ignored my warning in local
He was prolly macro-ore-stealing.
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Ladyah Liandri
Soapbox Pilots
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Posted - 2006.12.21 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: syphurous
Originally by: JeanClaude DuSoir
Yes, if the gangmate is in your corp.
I was sure it was any gang mates reguardless of Corp.
Does this count NPC corps ?
No. It's the owner of the can AND his/her corp that will get agression towards a thief. Only exception is NPC corps. In that case the owner is on his/her own. 
BTW that's why miner protectors often jet ore cans for their miners.
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DangermanUK
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Posted - 2006.12.21 10:01:00 -
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Question: How do you know he was a macro miner? Did you try to convo him at all?
I'm getting totally fed up with the number of people that are now assuming every miner is a macro miner. Someone did the old can-swap on me while I was mining the other day. That's fine and the game mechanics allow for it. However, when I convo'd him he was totally suprised and admitted he "thought" I was an MM.
C'mon guys, at least try and convo a miner before you "assume" he's a macro!
Tell tale signs of an MM:-
- usually 1 or more barges in a belt
- jetcans are not named, or have a random nonsense name
- they mine pretty much every type of roid in the belt
- the character's are usually in npc corp (and haven't been in any other corp)
- the character's sec status is still 0.0
- the characters do not respond to convo invites
- the characters have "random" names e.g. jjjfff***kzzz etc. although some now seem to be using sensible names....so they are learning!
- the characters in the belt were all created on or around the same time and may only be a few days or weeks old.
and to check:-
- check their profiles for above characteristics
- try a little convo
- trying bumping their ships to see if they "wake" up. Some macros will suddenly stop mining and after a few minutes either (a) start mining again, or (b) move in unison to a station or another belt.
When you are satisfied, then liberate the ore :)
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BigWhale
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.21 10:58:00 -
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Edited by: BigWhale on 21/12/2006 10:58:59
If it's a macro miner, get yourself a blaster boat, stop at the 'rock throwing distance' from the can and miner in question.
Lock target, jettison one hybrid charge, open your can, open his can, transfer ore, get aggro flagged, kill the miner and warp away to a safe spot or insta dock. Killing should be easy at this distance, you can also scramble and web, Dominix with 7x Neutrons A/M charges sounds like a good choice,...
When timer runs out, get a hauler and grab the ore from your can.
Oh, and report macro miner.
Come back later and check if the miner is there again. If he is, rinse and repeat... ;>
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Iyanah
Minmatar
Mining Munitions and Mayhem
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Posted - 2006.12.21 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Fire Giant
He was in a 0.8 belt and had about 4 hammerhead drones swarming him. I was there basically to gather wrecks for salvage but since his drones had killed the rats I will get flagged for opening and cleaning out the cargo before I salvage so here is my question:
1. If I clean out his can and get flagged will his drones attacke me?
2. If his drones attacke me I assume I can fire back correct?
3. If #2 is yes can I also attack his mining barge as well?
4. If I steal from his can and his drones attack can I attack his drones and his barge?
Just wanna be clear before I make a mistake and get popped by concord
he'd have to actively lock you and tell the drones to attack. i salvage from these people all the time in a stabber, and they never try to attack me. a few newbies try to attack me in frigates and destroyers, and pay the price (yeah i fitted a warp scrambler to my salvager for just such an occasion).
9 times out of 10 people don't care that you loot and salvage their wrecks, as long as you don't loot the wrecks of someone in a battleship whilst you're in a little destroyer you'll be fine. rule of thumb, if you reckon you can take them, loot and salvage away.
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Xanath Fireheart
Caldari
Under Heavy Fire
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Posted - 2006.12.21 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: BigWhale
Edited by: BigWhale on 21/12/2006 10:58:59
If it's a macro miner, get yourself a blaster boat, stop at the 'rock throwing distance' from the can and miner in question.
Lock target, jettison one hybrid charge, open your can, open his can, transfer ore, get aggro flagged, kill the miner and warp away to a safe spot or insta dock. Killing should be easy at this distance, you can also scramble and web, Dominix with 7x Neutrons A/M charges sounds like a good choice,...
When timer runs out, get a hauler and grab the ore from your can.
Oh, and report macro miner.
Come back later and check if the miner is there again. If he is, rinse and repeat... ;>
You must first wait until he attacks you for stealing his ore to avoid a concord response
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Sean Dillon
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.21 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Xanath Fireheart
Originally by: BigWhale
Edited by: BigWhale on 21/12/2006 10:58:59
If it's a macro miner, get yourself a blaster boat, stop at the 'rock throwing distance' from the can and miner in question.
Lock target, jettison one hybrid charge, open your can, open his can, transfer ore, get aggro flagged, kill the miner and warp away to a safe spot or insta dock. Killing should be easy at this distance, you can also scramble and web, Dominix with 7x Neutrons A/M charges sounds like a good choice,...
When timer runs out, get a hauler and grab the ore from your can.
Oh, and report macro miner.
Come back later and check if the miner is there again. If he is, rinse and repeat... ;>
You must first wait until he attacks you for stealing his ore to avoid a concord response
Are you can try kill him before they come, thorax with medium drones and blasters does a pretty good job. Just dont do it in .7 and up.
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BigWhale
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.21 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: BigWhale on 21/12/2006 12:34:35
Originally by: Xanath Fireheart
You must first wait until he attacks you for stealing his ore to avoid a concord response
Oh? I wasn't sure how concord reacts on ore stealing? It doesn't? I mean if victim will get a kill right and that's all, then true macro miner won't even attack ore thief.
So, can you just sit by the macro miner and steal ore from his can?
I was sure that concord would react to this stealing. That's why I suggested killing. If concord is comming, let's make the best of it. But if it's not comming, then you have your own private miner...
... all you have to do now is to write a macro that will steal ore from macro miners! :P
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Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
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Posted - 2006.12.21 12:41:00 -
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Word to the wise...This has happened. Macro hunter found a rather juicy target and harrassed and shot him down for three weeks.
Macro minner gets ****ed, sends the hunter some ISK, and a Eve-mail "Revenge is sweet, $50 well spent". Macro hunter has account banned for buying ISK.
case 2. Macro minner isnt AFK, but controling 6 accounts. Hunters start harraseing his op, he petitions for grief play, and hunters get their accounts suspended.
Remember identify, petition, steal ore. CCP encourages multiple accounts, what we do with them is our bussness, as long as we dont violate the EULA.
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