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Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
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Posted - 2015.09.23 14:20:17 -
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Yep. There are race advantages which were scrapped, but still some leftovers are here. Namely, rookie ships.
While we may talk a lot about "Each ship got unique advantages and got it's own work to cover" bs, there are hard determined winner and 3 losers.
The winner is. off course, velator. Yes, it's not the fastest one. In exchange for this velator is:
1)Enjoying the biggest cargohold,
2)Enjoying double the drone power.
2a)Which are bonused for both damage and health. Bias is strong with this one!
3)The most agile GÇö it alligns better than the reaper!
4)Bonused for blasters - the biggest dps for the buck
These make Velator the best rookie ship for:
Hauling
Ratting
Cyno
Mining
Actually fighting
There are several ways to fix that:
1)Allow to change rookie ship given. Doesn't actually fix things, but it allows everyone who picked wrong to free himself from the consequences which came before the game even started.
2)Nerf Velator. Possible ways:
a)-1 turret hardpoint - makes Velator inferior, but "versatile".
b)-5/5 bandwidth/drone bay - pretty obvious, isn't it?
3)Buff other rookie ships. Again, several ways:
a)+5/5 bandwidth/drone bay
b)35% bonus to turret damage instead 10% one.
c)Add extra low/med slot to all the rookie ships BUT velator. Probably, buff CPU by about 12.5% to allow more or less painless fitting in that extra slot. |
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
Void..
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Posted - 2015.09.23 16:19:45 -
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You are kidding, right  |
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
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Posted - 2015.09.23 16:26:06 -
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Sheeth Athonille wrote:You are kidding, right
Nope. |
Prastigus
Unbrella
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Posted - 2015.09.23 16:51:58 -
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wow. |
Paranoid Loyd
6993
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Posted - 2015.09.23 18:16:46 -
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Trolling or not trolling, it's pretty sad you took the time to write all that down, let alone actually think about it. 
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc.
Low-Class
1439
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Posted - 2015.09.23 20:30:54 -
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how much time do you realistically spend in these ships mate.
Any answer of over 2 days per year means you need to reconsider some of your life choices fyi |
Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2015.09.24 01:33:57 -
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Even the velator has a drone bay? Had no idea.
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.09.25 00:10:45 -
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I don't know if I should feel trolled or not.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
The WINGSPAN Logo Alliance
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Posted - 2015.09.25 03:06:15 -
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I mean if Velators were fleet doctrines or part of some massive gank fit I could understand, but is this really a problem?
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Arcos Vandymion
White Beast Inc.
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Posted - 2015.09.25 06:35:15 -
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Thought about typing elaborate post why it doesn't really matter - wasn't really worth the time to write it down =s |
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter
Absolute Zero.
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Posted - 2015.09.25 09:40:49 -
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Chance Ravinne wrote:I mean if Velators were fleet doctrines or part of some massive gank fit I could understand, but is this really a problem?
It wasn't the problem even before, but CCP decided to rebalance them anyway. Not like something this minor will take more time to change than OP had to spend to write the thing.
Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
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W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp
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Posted - 2015.09.25 10:08:27 -
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impairor>reaper>ibis=velator is the true power ranking of them, velator isnt good |
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
520
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Posted - 2015.09.25 10:34:39 -
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Gallente has proven it's superior power even in rookie class. |
Kynric
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2015.09.25 17:52:26 -
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It sems odd to me that the npcs stations stock all varities of rookie ships. It would be a nice touch if matari station issued reapers to all. It would be nice if the experience in each station were a bit more unique. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1256
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Posted - 2015.09.25 19:28:13 -
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Rookie ships got badass capacitor. And 100+dps velators with plate+AAR are actually beasty. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
1036
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Posted - 2015.09.25 22:09:07 -
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As odd as it might sound, I've long thought rookie ships should be like the Gnosis (before there was a Gnosis to be like), let everyone try everything in a nice general training ship that is roughly competetive with current rookie ships, but with more options to work with.
Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy.
I invented Tiericide
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Neph
Operation Meatshield
Plexodus
150
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Posted - 2015.09.27 22:47:13 -
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This is almost an /r/eve level of shitposting. +1
Our peoples have stared extinction in the eye; but we have spat in that eye and stood to fight with valor and undying loyalty to our culture and our kin. Our struggle is as one, so let us struggle together.
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LordInvisible
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.15 13:22:43 -
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And while we are at it, can we get a setting in general options that tells station ship manager NOT TO GIVE ME ANY NOOB SHIPS WHEN I DOCK IN POD!?? |
Dato Koppla
Kiwis In Space
No Points Necessary
896
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Posted - 2015.10.15 22:36:51 -
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[Velator, PvP]
200mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Hobgoblin II x2
This could actually kill a buffer tank Cruiser that has no drones and no neut (like a Zealot) if you tackle it lol. It also does 142 dps with Void and heat which is actually quite reasonable in the frigate world. It is comparable to some scram kite frigs I fly.
I wouldn't say it's the best though, the Ibis gets the epic jams. However the Impairor is completely inferior when it comes to fitting a combat fit like this. It can't fit plate + rep + guns since lasers take up alot more powergrid and it does less dps. The Reaper however can field a comparable fit and has it's own advantages like faster speed, better cap and selectable damage type even though the raw dps is lower. However the shield boost bonus is kinda wasted on the Reaper due to the 2/2/2 setup of Rookie frigs.
Overall the Impairor can use a small buff probably to fitting to make it abit more combat worthy.
There you go, proper serious discussion on the combat worthiness of Rookie frigs. Enjoy.
P.S. this has inspired me to go fly a Velator and try kill some stuff lol |
W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp
378
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Posted - 2015.10.15 22:47:14 -
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[Impairor, New Setup 1]
Overdrive Injector System II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
1MN Afterburner II
Warp Disruptor II
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Ultraviolet S
Small Focused Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Ultraviolet S
kills all velators though |
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.10.15 22:48:02 -
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Neph wrote:This is almost an /r/eve level of shitposting. +1
Heh, funny you should mention that.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Whelm
CRA Haven
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Posted - 2015.10.16 03:56:34 -
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Don't forget about the pirate rookie ships 
Echo
Role Bonus:
50% bonus to Small Projectile Turret damage
22.5% bonus to Small Projectile Turret tracking speed
22.5% bonus to Small Projectile Turret falloff
22.5% bonus to Small Projectile Turret optimal range
Hematos
Role Bonus:
100% bonus to Small Energy Turret damage
30% reduction in Small Energy Turret activation cost
45% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer transfer amount
30% bonus to Stasis Webifier max velocity factor
Immolator
Role Bonus:
100% bonus to Small Energy Turret damage
22.5% bonus to Small Energy Turret tracking speed
30% bonus to Small Energy Turret optimal range
22.5% bonus to Shield Booster amount
Taipan
Role Bonus:
50% bonus to Light Missile and Rocket max velocity
12% bonus to all shield resistances
30% bonus to Drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield
25% bonus to Drone max velocity
Violator
Role Bonus:
75% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage
22.5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret tracking speed
30% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret falloff
30% bonus to Stasis Webifier max velocity factor |
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
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Posted - 2015.10.19 10:17:30 -
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Whelm wrote:Don't forget about the pirate rookie ships
Nah, these are just fine, like any limited edition ship. These are so rare they barely do anything to game balance. |
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
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Posted - 2015.12.27 17:31:14 -
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Even though people don't care that much, problem is still here. |
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
The Bastion
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Posted - 2015.12.27 21:07:07 -
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Leila Meurtrier wrote:Even though people don't care that much, problem is still here.
Way to necro a dead post
People don't care because it is not a problem. Only time people do things in rookie ships is when they are traveling (all equal for that) or goofing off. Yes, I know that's going to come to bite me in the ass with people saying they only ever use rookie ships or whatever, but you know what I mean.
Rookie ships are not important. Everyone but you seems to agree. Why on earth should the devs waste time "balancing" a rookie ship when they could spend the time doing something that will actually help the game? |
Angel Mortalitas
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.01.06 02:35:39 -
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Sheeth Athonille wrote:Leila Meurtrier wrote:Even though people don't care that much, problem is still here. Way to necro a dead post People don't care because it is not a problem. Only time people do things in rookie ships is when they are traveling (all equal for that) or goofing off. Yes, I know that's going to come to bite me in the ass with people saying they only ever use rookie ships or whatever, but you know what I mean. Rookie ships are not important. Everyone but you seems to agree. Why on earth should the devs waste time "balancing" a rookie ship when they could spend the time doing something that will actually help the game?
What, you've never been in a noobship fleet roam? I'd bet Plex to Isk you would say they are "not important" if you ran into one 
Also, why the bitching on "necro"? Take a wander through any number of threads and there are people practically screaming "use search function!!!", someone does use said function and they get accused of necro. There's just no winning some days.
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