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Andrea Jaruwalski
Caldari
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.22 06:28:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: DiuxDium
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
Originally by: DiuxDium
This is to say, the caracal needs +1 mid slot, -crapton of mass. +~20-40m/s. As well as a small boost to PG and a decent boost to CPU to have a chance of fitting. 40cpu BCUII's 4tw. 
No, it doesn't. This is just your request for:
- A Cheap ship that cannot fit or benefit from the range bonus it gets for the HAM. It's not enough for you, so you need more CPU to have ganking power on your 5m ship.
Seriously, bad request for your own little greed.
I fly gallente. 
I'd insult you now, but I'm laughing to hard.
I'd laugh but i'm too busy typing an insult back for your ignorant request for a ship you don't even fly.
Do you even read yourself? Hi, I fly gallente but i will suggest to make another Ship i don't even fly a bit easy to fit so i can perform better with it.
No? Well, Go on and laugh, pick up a mirror and realise you're the one you're making fun of. 
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jbob2000
Gallente
Rage of Angels
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.22 06:30:00 -
[32]
Originally by: DiuxDium
...Turrents...
!~#@%^%$&^$@#
TURRETS TURRETS TURRETS!!!!!!!!
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DiuxDium
Casting Shadows
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Posted - 2006.12.22 06:32:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
Originally by: DiuxDium
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
Originally by: DiuxDium
This is to say, the caracal needs +1 mid slot, -crapton of mass. +~20-40m/s. As well as a small boost to PG and a decent boost to CPU to have a chance of fitting. 40cpu BCUII's 4tw.
No, it doesn't. This is just your request for:
- A Cheap ship that cannot fit or benefit from the range bonus it gets for the HAM. It's not enough for you, so you need more CPU to have ganking power on your 5m ship.
Seriously, bad request for your own little greed.
I fly gallente.
I'd insult you now, but I'm laughing to hard.
I'd laugh but i'm too busy typing an insult back for your ignorant request for a ship you don't even fly.
Do you even read yourself? Hi, I fly gallente but i will suggest to make another Ship i don't even fly a bit easy to fit so i can perform better with it.
No? Well, Go on and laugh, pick up a mirror and realise you're the one you're making fun of.
"I fly Gallente" does not equate to "I've never flown caldari". If you want I can post about 100 some odd kill-mails involving me and a Caldari Cruiser. You're a bafoon if you don't realize the fitting issues that occur due to the 40cpu of BCUII's. If you weren't talking straight out of your ass, you'd also realize the relativly high-mass of the Caracal makes AB\MWD less than pretty. Add to that the mid-slot req to both tackle and tank, and we have a serious issue. Closing range with Caldari is very difficult, this has alot to do with having both the slowest, and largest ships in game currently.
Before you randomly post your stupidity in my general direction, take a look at this. Cruisers now you read every last bit from those links. When you're done, come back and lecture me about "How much you know about a ship you've obviously never flown". How's that buccko?
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jbob2000
Gallente
Rage of Angels
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.22 06:37:00 -
[34]
Originally by: DiuxDium
"I fly Gallente" does not equate to "I've never flown caldari". If you want I can post about 100 some odd kill-mails involving me and a Caldari Cruiser. You're a bafoon if you don't realize the fitting issues that occur due to the 40cpu of BCUII's. If you weren't talking straight out of your ass, you'd also realize the relativly high-mass of the Caracal makes AB\MWD less than pretty. Add to that the mid-slot req to both tackle and tank, and we have a serious issue. Closing range with Caldari is very difficult, this has alot to do with having both the slowest, and largest ships in game currently.
Before you randomly post your stupidity in my general direction, take a look at this. Cruisers now you read every last bit from those links. When you're done, come back and lecture me about "How much you know about a ship you've obviously never flown". How's that buccko?
uhh.... missiles are pretty short range... unless you use them for pve... which happens to be 95% of the caldari ship users
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Andrea Jaruwalski
Caldari
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.22 06:37:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Andrea Jaruwalski on 22/12/2006 06:38:29
Originally by: DiuxDium
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
Originally by: DiuxDium
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
Originally by: DiuxDium
This is to say, the caracal needs +1 mid slot, -crapton of mass. +~20-40m/s. As well as a small boost to PG and a decent boost to CPU to have a chance of fitting. 40cpu BCUII's 4tw.
No, it doesn't. This is just your request for:
- A Cheap ship that cannot fit or benefit from the range bonus it gets for the HAM. It's not enough for you, so you need more CPU to have ganking power on your 5m ship.
Seriously, bad request for your own little greed.
I fly gallente.
I'd insult you now, but I'm laughing to hard.
I'd laugh but i'm too busy typing an insult back for your ignorant request for a ship you don't even fly.
Do you even read yourself? Hi, I fly gallente but i will suggest to make another Ship i don't even fly a bit easy to fit so i can perform better with it.
No? Well, Go on and laugh, pick up a mirror and realise you're the one you're making fun of.
"I fly Gallente" does not equate to "I've never flown caldari". If you want I can post about 100 some odd kill-mails involving me and a Caldari Cruiser. You're a bafoon if you don't realize the fitting issues that occur due to the 40cpu of BCUII's. If you weren't talking straight out of your ass, you'd also realize the relativly high-mass of the Caracal makes AB\MWD less than pretty. Add to that the mid-slot req to both tackle and tank, and we have a serious issue. Closing range with Caldari is very difficult, this has alot to do with having both the slowest, and largest ships in game currently.
Before you randomly post your stupidity in my general direction, take a look at this. Cruisers now you read every last bit from those links. When you're done, come back and lecture me about "How much you know about a ship you've obviously never flown". How's that buccko?
Well other than about 20 words that are not commonly used and mean nothing to me which you used in your topic i will reply by:
- High mass is a Caldari thing.
- Not being able to fit a fully T2 fitting on a cruiser that is worth 5m is normal.
- Massive ammount of crap to make your point valid = failed.
Quote:
Add to that the mid-slot req to both tackle and tank, and we have a serious issue.
Sorry, you're flying gallente. 'We' isn't you or concerning gallente since this is about Caldari ships or weaponry. Remember? Back to your room.
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Nordvargr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.12.22 06:40:00 -
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Ahhh I was waiting for this. 
Caldari get a close range weapon and can't just sit still and shoot at things anymore. I was hoping more for taking on HAM fitted drakes and caracals with no propulsion mods in-game, but reading the whining on the forums is also very pleasurable.
Poor, poor caldari.
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Nybbas
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.22 07:54:00 -
[37]
uhmmmm caracals kick major ass as is...
yeah sure turret users can use lower damage ammo for better ranges (which for any close range ship is a joke)
you can pick damage types. stop whining. Not to mention
CALDARI GET TWO SKILLS THAT TRAINED TO LEVEL FIVE GIVE THEM MORE THAN A 100% INCREASE TO RANGE
TURRET USERS GET TWO SKILLS THAT WHEN TRAINED TO LEVEL FIVE BARELY GIVES THEM A 25% BOOST TO THEIR MAX RANGE.
this is fair how?
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Halciform
Gallente
Star Kingdom of Manticore
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.22 08:37:00 -
[38]
"Fair" mean what? Its just no same.
For range, turrets have modules boosting range...for low and mid slots. Missiles have none...that could make balance.
For HAM fits...use drake and hope you get in range |
Zyrla Bladestorm
Minmatar
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.12.22 08:52:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Halciform
"Fair" mean what? Its just no same.
For range, turrets have modules boosting range...for low and mid slots. Missiles have none...that could make balance.
For HAM fits...use drake and hope you get in range
WTB mod that increases falloff!
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Apologies for any rambling that may have just occurred.
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Zxepa
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Posted - 2006.12.22 09:43:00 -
[40]
And i ask myself "How does every caldari thread start out as"?
"W3 N33DZ MOR RANG PLZ MOR DPS MOR EZ MODE MOR TUX111! WE R PLZ GET MOR" STFU?!
You've gotten EVERYTHING you've whined for!
plz we need a fl33t shipz plz kekeke - Tux: Heres a Rohk
plz tux we n33d bax our 7th tp 4 teh drake - Tux: Done
plz we n33d a medium sized munition dat spewz mor DPS den chuck norris - Tux: I lurve you guys, heres a HAM
plz teh damgi3 rigz for meesls cost 2 much kalibur tux plz cut dat inhalfz - Tux: :D! done
You see, you WOULD whine about range because you've never had to step out of your 89km sanctuary before.
Yes, like the rest of eve, taste the power of the t2 neutron brutix
Enjoy your new range.
Because caldari is special-ed mode.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.12.22 10:16:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Zxepa
And i ask myself "How does every caldari thread start out as"?
"W3 N33DZ MOR RANG PLZ MOR DPS MOR EZ MODE MOR TUX111! WE R PLZ GET MOR" STFU?!
You've gotten EVERYTHING you've whined for!
plz we need a fl33t shipz plz kekeke - Tux: Heres a Rohk
plz tux we n33d bax our 7th tp 4 teh drake - Tux: Done
plz we n33d a medium sized munition dat spewz mor DPS den chuck norris - Tux: I lurve you guys, heres a HAM
plz teh damgi3 rigz for meesls cost 2 much kalibur tux plz cut dat inhalfz - Tux: :D! done
You see, you WOULD whine about range because you've never had to step out of your 89km sanctuary before.
Yes, like the rest of eve, taste the power of the t2 neutron brutix
Enjoy your new range.
Because caldari is special-ed mode.
First read: Boah! Lol rofl
Second read: Hmm Somehow I did not find a single inaccuracy in those statements.
The range/damage/fitting for launchers never followed a logical pattern.
The HAM launchers fit perfectly in there.
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The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing.
by Sharkbait | 2006.09.20 |
Phant Zon
Minmatar
No Quarter.
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Posted - 2006.12.23 04:56:00 -
[42]
I dont know about Caldari, but as a Matar pilot these are wonderful little launchers. They fit nicely on AC cruisers when one doesnt have the room for heavies or nos, and are a useful secondary weapon system.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.12.23 06:22:00 -
[43]
becuase they drake is SUCH a agile little thing.
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DrEiak
Amarr
IONSTAR
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.23 06:35:00 -
[44]
heres an idea, stop using missles all together cause i hate missle users who whine about their weapons. Try using turrets for a little while and learn how to fly a real ship :P (no insult to missle users but seriously, anyone who thinks missles are underpowered needs to start flying amarr and minmataar ships)
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j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.23 06:47:00 -
[45]
"T1 HAM should be able to hit atleast 25k with skills, it is a medium size weapon.
"
Denied. Nearly 15 km with skills before any possible ship bonus is applied is more than enough range for weapon with damage output of the heavy blasters...
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Larkonis Trassler
g guild
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Posted - 2006.12.23 08:18:00 -
[46]
HAY GUYZ!
I think a lot of people are forgetting something here... Missiles are not guns.
It's like saying ZOMG THIS CHEESE DOESN'T TASTE LIEK CHALK! WHAT IS GOING ON!
Why don't we just normalise all races weapons and ammo and keep the pretty graphics?
HAM launchers could maybe do with a bit of an adjustment with regards to fitting... but hey, suck it up, adapt improvise and overcome (and for the record I am a missile user). All weapons have their own fitting issues and problems. People are just upset that the promised Uber HAMs have turned out... balanced.
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.12.23 08:34:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Nybbas
uhmmmm caracals kick major ass as is...
yeah sure turret users can use lower damage ammo for better ranges (which for any close range ship is a joke)
you can pick damage types. stop whining. Not to mention
CALDARI GET TWO SKILLS THAT TRAINED TO LEVEL FIVE GIVE THEM MORE THAN A 100% INCREASE TO RANGE
TURRET USERS GET TWO SKILLS THAT WHEN TRAINED TO LEVEL FIVE BARELY GIVES THEM A 25% BOOST TO THEIR MAX RANGE.
this is fair how?
QFT. The missile skills giving 10% is pretty lame...
Lets not speak of the javelin HAMs, btw... those are just ridiculous ****-takers when it comes to range and damage.
Anyway, if missiles take ooohhh so long to reach their target, and are thus 'useless', surely you caldari wouldn't mind if the range was reduced by a large amount?
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2SecondsTilMidnight
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Posted - 2006.12.23 08:53:00 -
[48]
This thread makes me wish I wasn't a missle user... its a friggen SHORT RANGE weapon!! You want to get in range? Take 1-2 slots off of your mid slots (*gasp*) and fit an ab, mwd, or webber. You want higher damage with a decent range then use fury HMs or jav HAMS. fury HMs are actually higher dps than jav HAMs, but shoot what you want.
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Riho
Red Wrath
Exquisite Malevolance
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Posted - 2006.12.23 09:56:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Nice View
I really believe they need to fix these.
Why oh why would CCP make HAM's then limit them to such crappy range??
T1(rough draft):
Rockets = 9k (light missiles = 25k)
HAM = 12k (heavy missiles = 65k)
Torp = 85k (cruise missiles = 110K)
T1 HAM should be able to hit atleast 25k with skills, it is a medium size weapon.
This would not make it over powered since the range is still pretty bad and they are SLOWWWWW............
Please give HAM some loven
no love needed.... close range missiles :/
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Riho
Red Wrath
Exquisite Malevolance
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Posted - 2006.12.23 10:00:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Audri Fisher
becuase they drake is SUCH a agile little thing.
guess u never flown a ferox before revelations...
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.23 12:20:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Nice View
Weapons with AMMO NO SKILLS ADDED TO INCREASE RANGE
And this exactly makes this little list completly useless.
Missiles get an 125% range boost from 2 skills (rank 2 and rank 4)
Turrets get a 25% range boost from 2 skills (rank 2 and rank 5)
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