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I really think cancers like off grid boosting are why we are seeing numbers decline. Yes it will take some short term pain to get rid of the cancer but the long term decline will hopefully end, and even reverse.

BTW I listened to a podcast where ccp fozzie said they are making some headway on the technical issues of off grid boosters. He could not give us a date through.

Really? Off grid boosting is why people are leaving? You don't think it could possibly be because of nerf to capital ship movement (jump fatigue)? Or maybe all the new changes to null sov?

I often see people complain about off grid boosters. Sadly the vast majority of these people are simply picking engagements that they would lose even if the opponent was not using warfare links. Not saying that's the case here but always something to keep in mind.

Really? Off grid boosting is why people are leaving? You don't think it could possibly be because of nerf to capital ship movement (jump fatigue)? Or maybe all the new changes to null sov?

How many people have access to capital ships, and how many people have the ability to go and PvP and then end up on the wrong side of OGBs?

I'll focus on the main part of your mindless drivel.

1. While EVE is a pvp-centric game, the majority of people are either in highsec or nullsec; and while any day one newbie can fit a ship and go off and pvp, they normally don't.

2. OGBs are not so effing prevalent that they would drive people away from the game.

3. Flying a Capitol Ship does not take all that long to skill for now. In fact, skilling for a Jump Freighter is rather quick now, and are very useful. Oh, did I mention that that the publicized fights non-EVE players will often hear about will be the big capitol ship battles. Not that little 4 vs. 7 frig battle you just had in Kedama. People get into EVE because they want to fly the big ships.


Get over yourself, OGBs are not the main reason people quit. If I had to say anything is the main reason people quit, it would be those people who get their mining barge ganked because they fail to do some research about this game.

I'll focus on the main part of your mindless drivel.

1. While EVE is a pvp-centric game, the majority of people are either in highsec or nullsec; and while any day one newbie can fit a ship and go off and pvp, they normally don't.

2. OGBs are not so effing prevalent that they would drive people away from the game.

3. Flying a Capitol Ship does not take all that long to skill for now. In fact, skilling for a Jump Freighter is rather quick now, and are very useful. Oh, did I mention that that the publicized fights non-EVE players will often hear about will be the big capitol ship battles. Not that little 4 vs. 7 frig battle you just had in Kedama. People get into EVE because they want to fly the big ships.

Saying that boosts are what is causing newer players to not stick with EVE is being very selective with the facts. Do some people quit because they get the impression that EVE is unfair? Im sure they do. Have newbs been quitting EVE in droves with EVE retention numbers being ludicrously low for its entire existence separate from the proliferation of OGB? i think you will find they have.....



The drop in numbers really does seem to be as a result of a final straw scenario for lots of older players regarding jump and SOV. Remember when one bittervet quits, thats usually 2-4 characters that no longer log on.

You cant just explain away low new player retention by pointing fingers at the OGBoogyman when new player retention has always been very low.

I can certainly speak for myself and say that as a mainly solo pilot ogb is a major reason I no longer pvp.

[OGB] was enough for me and plenty of other people to decide to watch more tv with their spouse instead of logging in.

... Again I can just speak for myself and say I would certainly be more likely to pvp if ogb was fixed.

Yet i literally dont know a single person that has quit or taken a break because of boosts. I dont even know anyone who viewed boosts as a contributing factor to their inactivity.

Far be it for me to question cerains motivations but i get the impression he likes to blame things for his shortcomings and OGB are a convenient target. That while he may have quit PvP due to lack of compelling (self-generated) content or burnout, he blames OGB as the single factor to further his vapid rhetoric and make himself feel better about being a quitter.

I didn't say or imply that OGB is the main reason why people leave. I said Jump-Fatigue is trivial in comparison to OGB because it affects so few people directly. That it's the culprit for fewer capital fights - maybe. Except there are capital fights happening daily.

Also capital fights are only arguably the main focus of the EVE publications - the thrill is just as much, if not more, about the scale and the number of people involved and the real money equivalent of the stuff destroyed that catches the attention. To claim that everyone who hears about EVE from this media ends up looking forward to a year long train to participate in those fights in those same big ships is unreasonably positive of the players' interest and attention time span.

Meanwhile, how is any of this related to the relatively fast skilling into a Jump Freighter? Does everyone rush to play EVE so that they could hop into a Jump Freighter "rather quickly" and participate in these big fights with their freighters?

So whilst the 4-7 frig fight in Kedama isn't what most players will hear about, it's what a majority will participate in with an out-of-the-box or slightly higher-SP character.

Wanting an environment that is healthy to actually play in moment-to-moment, instead of a game where everyone waits to get pinged for the spontaneous capital fight, is bad? I suppose opinions are just that - opinions.

Jump Freighters factor in due to logistics. Lowsec and nullsec markets are crap. Having a JF makes it a lot easier to resupply yourself.

So we can all agree that OGBs are not the be-all end-all of why people are leaving the game?

The fact that a player can just buy an alt account with a T3 and significantly boost his PvP ability with said alt is really a bit insulting.

If that wasn't bad enough, fleet assist links also give The Blob even bigger advantages than they already have. As if it wasn't hard enough to fight in 1vX situations, they also have an absurd force multiplier on their side in the form of a 6-link Tengu.

Putting fleet links on grid is not enough. They should simply be removed from this game.

I mean picture that for a second. An Eve Online without fleet links. No more dragging the Loki alt around with you everywhere you go. No more 70km warp disrupting Garmurs. It would be so much cleaner, so much simpler. It would be so much more fair.

It think i covered that. Even giving you the benefit of the doubt, one account is just an anecdote.

So we can all agree that OGBs are not the be-all end-all of why people are leaving the game?

Wow what a terrible post.

You can buy an account to do anything. Someone still had to train it, and that someone used to have the same advantage. Also, not that it is simple to buy an account. they do cost many billion isk after all. ive never bought an account, but the fix to people buying accounts would be to stop people from being able to buy accounts. Im neutral on that matter. i dont care who is behind the screen, i only see the pixels in space.

As for links giving the blob an advantage, ask brave newbies how much their links helped then when i engaged their blob with a single garmur and killed about 8 (out of 30ish) dudes in the time it took them to complete a plex.

One thing i can agree on, removing boosts completely is better than putting boosts on grid. That actually would only help the blob. Though apart from people saying boosts are unfair i dont see a valid reason to do so. EVE is unfair by design after all.