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Darwpromtheus
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Posted - 2003.11.25 23:55:00 -
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Pnulleople who use altchars to hind behind when stealing ore and using
Sociopathic behavior and grief tactics in various degrees against other
players are a part of the game, but never the less they need to be blacklisted and
put in the hall of shame as happens in most social contexts where these dirty ways of
Interactions occur, eve is by no means an exception.
Recently I have crossed path with one of these lowlifes when he/she/it stole from me the fruits of one hour mining in 0.5 space. And of course my reaction as in RL is profanity and abuse, in eve the result from my side is appropriate insult in local.
The lowlife then threatens to file a petition to get CCP to ban me for verbal harassment on a "fellow" player. The same "pitting u against CCP" reaction I got from a pirate who blew up my Indy when I was approaching a stargate, and in return he got some frustration and anger in form of a "very abusive" flameEVE-mai that I sent. In this case an main Char was used to play a criminal who live the ingame pirate style of life (hence the blowing up and looting of my Indy), which I have nothing against and are a part of the game.
But what kind of reaction do u expect when u capitalize on other peoples misery? Are the victims just supposed to laugh it all up and learn to deal with the "it's just a game" issue? Or are they entitle to flame the char with profanity, to let him/her/it have some without risking retribution from CCP?. Because thatÆs what I did. (yeah I know IÆm bad)the pirate narced me out!! LOL :))
I surely got a mail from one GM about the "over the top" flamehate/ mail I Sent to the pirate. But what else were my options to get some balance back (ingame homestatis, retaliation whatever) but verbal offence, which lies between ingame role-playing and real-life frustration?
You tend to identify a lot with the character you play the game with, so an attack ingame on your Character is pretty much psychologically dealt with as an would be attack on your self
That is not the same as not being able to distinguish real-life from ingame play/role-play. In the complex social world as MORG you are entitled to think feel and react to fellow players pretty much as you do against people in real life, (hey they are real life people behind those chars, you know)
So what about the Carebearflavour of this posting? For me itÆs quite simple; I donÆt care if the game mechanics lets people act as *******s against each other or if some sad soul will role-play ingame as a grifer. But I do care about the; "I report you to big brother, petition cries" when they are faced with the reaction they would get from their behavior that they would get in any normal social context where people do this deeds against each others. IÆm not advocating for CCP and GM¦s to not deal with continuous harassment and threats against players but thereÆs a big difference from the frustration ridden lamentations and utter rage you spurt out in an EVE-mail and which you find yourself in when victimized by other players. And outspoken continuous effort to harass a fellow player with multiple abuse.
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Darrin Tobruk
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Posted - 2003.11.26 00:34:00 -
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Here's my opinion offered freely to you.
First, an indy in 0.4 or lower space unescorted is simply asking to be pillaged.
Second: ore thieves are lame. STFU about getting a secure can, they're impractical for most of the heavy mining companies anyway.
Third: it is a game. Yes you put time into getting what you want, but it's just a game. I always try to remain civil in the face of the injustices that do go on in the game. I'm patient. I bide my time until oppertunity for revenge presents itself. Profanity laced tirades only make you look foolish. Just be a spider spinning your web of vengance.
Eviljohn, i almost found you today. I'm coming for you now, after almost 2 months of waiting. Be seeing you soon. 
I also agree that the pirates are some of the first to go running to a GM when some one lets loose on them. My advice again is to just give them a hearty "SCREW YOU" and then start planning your pay back. It's what I do.
Anyway, that's my take on the whole subject. Use it as you will.
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2003.11.26 01:50:00 -
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Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 26/11/2003 02:02:21
Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 26/11/2003 02:02:04
That was me
I blew up your indy
I have your loot-->Jet now has it...I haver her isk
I have your corpse
I got your abusive message
I petitioned GMs
Looks like I won
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Jet Jagowrath
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Posted - 2003.11.26 01:55:00 -
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and i bought the loot, thx
let the cycle of destruction continue,
"anyone need a Battleship?"
Jet x
King Jadrut of The Alliance That Kicks Your Arse Very Badly And Whoops You Like You've Never Seen Before, TATKYAVBAWYLYNSB for short, owns all Jove space, stay away or bad things will happen to you and your hamsters and/or gerbils mmmk
La Maison de tous les plaisirs - Where politics and pleasure meet...
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Dolemite2K
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Posted - 2003.11.26 01:57:00 -
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Gunni
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Posted - 2003.11.26 03:04:00 -
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Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 26/11/2003 02:02:21
Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 26/11/2003 02:02:04
That was me
I blew up your indy
I have your loot-->Jet now has it...I haver her isk
I have your corpse
I got your abusive message
I petitioned GMs
Looks like I won
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Gunni
Viziam
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Darrin Tobruk
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Posted - 2003.11.26 03:44:00 -
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Edited by: Darrin Tobruk on 26/11/2003 03:45:55
Point, set and match. Thanks guys 
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LaneHacker
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Posted - 2003.11.26 03:52:00 -
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Aren't you the guy that lost his Thorax to my Badger Mk2 today?! And your friend in a Kestrel too?
HAHAHAHA
Oh and next time, tell your Corp mate to put some weapons on his Domi if he intends to lock me!
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Anyone want to buy some mining equipment and some heavy missiles? It's all I have left of the salvage from these guys, I already sold the ore back to their Corp that I salvaged from nearby jet-cans!
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2003.11.26 05:23:00 -
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Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 26/11/2003 02:02:21
Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 26/11/2003 02:02:04
That was me
I blew up your indy
I have your loot-->Jet now has it...I haver her isk
I have your corpse
I got your abusive message
I petitioned GMs
Looks like I won
 That time in the morning 
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2003.11.26 05:33:00 -
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Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 26/11/2003 05:33:38
Your indy in the end was worth FA to me, Ive been podded firstly by H4X0 (a long time ago) in an uninsured cruiser fully kitted out, I sent no "eve flame mail" to him. Secondly I got podded in Venal (our fault we attacked them), again I sent no eve "eve flame mail" to him either, he convod me since and we had a cool chat about that night, both of us thinking that it was a load of fun. So I lost like what? 8mil on a cruiser and mods and a BS 70mil. So thats like 78mil compared to your pesky 1mil...err big difference there and in the way we both reacted dont you think, its by time that you grew up sonny.
No cookies for you
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.11.26 07:52:00 -
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1) Get used to it - too many players releasing their anger within the game and podding others just for fun. They think they are cool if they podd someone in indy but they shut up when they loose their BS to pirate killers.
2) Play with it - You can always insult them in roleplaying manner so that they can't complain. Something like: 'You pirate scum, son of 100 sailors, your mother didn't even know their names...'.
3) Get over it - It's a game (for most of us).
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Darwpromtheus
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Posted - 2003.11.29 07:20:00 -
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yeah I know but judging from the replies I got there are alot of immature little kids out there. Little children running around. How old are u guys
Your trying to teaseeee me or something? But as long as u don¦t keep running to CCP everytime I flame ur ass for stealing my stuff so be it. F::::: whanker pirates. LOL
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Darwpromtheus
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Posted - 2003.11.29 07:52:00 -
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No the case being made was running to mommi CCP after one (1) flame, not the supposed victimization-relativity issue ( I lost 3.8 mil isk in antibiotica but you lost 50 mil the day before yadi yadi. It¦s a game I know but If u take into account the time u spend playing and the energy u put down it¦s not a mere "it¦s just a game issue"
And if u consider who initiated aggression against who u realise very soon that ur argument is very weak and fitting for your ends only sonny.
If ur gonna be doing **** to me u will have to deal with profanity. And stop the narcing will ya? Where¦s the friggin criminal codex? bringing ingame metaroleplaying issues to account attacking.
LOL. A pirate and a god damned Thief shud expect being called all sorts of names that¦s what u throw to parasites. Petions from parasitic playertypes complaining about abuse and name calling should not count it is the burning sun in ur shameful desert.and u have choosen this path.
Hey congratulations to ur "victory"
lOL again.
It¦s just a game.
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Darwpromtheus
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Posted - 2003.11.29 08:14:00 -
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That time in the morning
What¦s the matter ? Yes I know it¦s way past ur bedtime sonny.
And u can keep the the four mining 1¦s those will build u a nice BS I¦m sure ..
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Darth Tom
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Posted - 2003.11.29 10:43:00 -
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It¦s just a game.
Then stop getting so worked up about it.
You get attacked, you die - boo hoo hoo.
Next time pay more attention, fit different modules, whatever.
Point being, it's *incredibly* difficult to force combat in EVE, and it's trivially easy to escape.
There is absolutely no grounds for abusive swearing when you get blown up.
Abuse is the resort of the impotent man - there are a multitude of better responses, and yes - such abuse should be petitioned.
Cheers,
TOM
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Arboc
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Posted - 2003.11.29 11:03:00 -
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PnullBut what else were my options to get some balance back (ingame homestatis, retaliation whatever) but verbal offence, which lies between ingame role-playing and real-life frustration?
Insurance & some friends with BS's
Seriously tho, if a pirates life if what you choose you should expect a small degree of flaming be it in local or by eve-mail. When you take time to work hard for something just to have it taken away it is very frustrating & human nature is to spout off with a few choice words.
Running to CCP complaining about it when your the aggressor is lame IMO.
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Krowe
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Posted - 2003.11.29 11:51:00 -
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*starts playing the violin for Darwpromtheus*
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Xenovetica
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Posted - 2003.11.29 13:15:00 -
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Can this guy get a yarr?
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2003.11.29 14:21:00 -
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No the case being made was running to mommi CCP after one (1) flame
It¦s just a game.
If its just a game then why the need to harrass him with words since you know that it is forbidden ?
You may think that those who kill other peaple in online games are just kids but you would be amazed by the immature flaming we get from so called adults that just dont relise that this is a game, we play it as we see fit as we have fun doing that.
And btw than I personally know no kids in the pirate proffession but I know alot of childish grown ups that arent pirates
That would explane why pirates get so many hate mails from the likes of you.
Spawn of the Devil
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Val Duane
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Posted - 2003.11.29 15:08:00 -
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Krowe: Try playing the violin for Tenacha Khan, who cried to the GMs about the ugly words that hurt his ears and apparently broke his heart so much he needed to petition the guy.
Darth Tom: "Abuse is the resort of the impotent man" That may be true, but what is to be said of someone who attacks an Indy in a BS or Cruiser...never mind one who cries to his mommy after 1 abusive mail. Want a tissue?
I think there are a lot of pirates out there that couldn't give a rats ass about some abuse after they hijack someoneÆs Indy. Kudos to them. Sleep in the bed you make my friends.
For those who can't handle the aggression shown them in words, after they have shown aggression in force....shame, poor you. Get over it. Go take your new found aggression out on another Indy.
Finally...keep up the pirating guys. Nothing wrong with it at all. Gives a nice balance to the game. I think Pirating is the only thing that is keeping eve from being sold as "Eve-Online: Deep Space Mining Simulation MMORPG."
Besides....it gives us "good citizens" something better than NPC rats to hunt :D
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Aterak
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Posted - 2003.11.29 15:15:00 -
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Quote:
Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 26/11/2003 02:02:21
Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 26/11/2003 02:02:04
That was me
I blew up your indy
I have your loot-->Jet now has it...I haver her isk
I have your corpse
I got your abusive message
I petitioned GMs
Looks like I won
looks to me like your dead. its one thing to steal ore, people hate it and even most pirates frown upon it. but petitioning because you couldn't handle the attack he sent your way. you are the weakest ore theif i have ever heard of if i find you i don't care if i am in an ibis after death i will kill you
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.11.29 20:58:00 -
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Is fun professions, you should try them out.
Hauling Consultants (tm)
Accounting Consultants (tm)
Inflation Control Inspectors (tm)
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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TIvian
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Posted - 2003.11.30 13:11:00 -
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m0oooooooo
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(O.o)
(> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!! |
Darwpromtheus
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Posted - 2003.11.30 16:38:00 -
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Yeah more pirates and orethieves who have the guts and the stamina to take some metaroleplaying ****down mixed with authentic rage.
Anyone of u criminals heard about the ingame ignore button? my tip to a brave Pirate piloting a BS Dominix or whatnot loaded with guns and shipwreckin stuff would be: set the guy in the indi ur about to blast away on "preignore" that way u don¦t have to get nasty letters crawling in ur inbox after ur dirty deed is done. Because don¦t expect me to laugh it all up in local afterwards and compliment you on ur skills and handling with that BIGASS laser of urs. Yes it¦s a game but within the frames of the game u can¦t take away my right to get really really ****ed!
But u guys have certainly been a source of inspiration to me and alot of others no doubt. From nowone I will make sure that I make a Griefing altchar of my own, or should I go all the way and make a Mainchar griefer? That way I give others the opportunity to plunge **** in the right direction where it¦s due.
And what a way for my lawenforcement mainchar to get som extra isk in his bankaccount thanks to my drugtrafficing n00bie shooting altchar.
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Darwpromtheus
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Posted - 2003.11.30 16:57:00 -
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And to "Dart Tom" or whatever: Hey dude where can I find sum antipirate or antiDominix modules to my Itereon III ?
I know that u can solve this delicate issueu will be handsomely paid when ur done.
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Cell Satimo
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Posted - 2003.11.30 17:32:00 -
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IMHO, The best way to wind people up who kill you is to be polite, just don't swear or use anatomical references.
Given that some people provoke you to laugh at your tirade of abuse, breaking the EULA just makes you more of a laughing stock.
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Darwpromtheus
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Posted - 2003.11.30 19:33:00 -
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It should be clear to any one now, that communication with me after devestation of my property or life and ur the perpertrator is doomed to be filled with ALOT of anatomical references.
Hey ur suggestion sounds like that buddhist munk who walks right out in the street pours a gallon of gasolin on top of his head and sets the persona on fire. That¦s a nice way to show thar ur nott happy with thing aint it ?
And u totally missed my point; USing The EULA as a bat to hit ur antagonist that¦s all fine and dandy then ?..Laugh it all up then.
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Darth Tom
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Posted - 2003.11.30 20:27:00 -
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And to "Dart Tom" or whatever: Hey dude where can I find sum antipirate or antiDominix modules to my Itereon III ?
I know that u can solve this delicate issueu will be handsomely paid when ur done.
So, to recap then:
- you lack the intellect to outfit your ship for anything other than mining or massive cargo space?
- you understand the terms of the EULA, yet you feel you are justified in flaunting it, because you got killed?
- you claim you understand it is a game, then fly into a childish rage when you do badly at it?
Genius. Pure genius.
Cheers,
TOM
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Darth Tom
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Posted - 2003.11.30 20:32:00 -
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Darth Tom: "Abuse is the resort of the impotent man" That may be true, but what is to be said of someone who attacks an Indy in a BS or Cruiser...never mind one who cries to his mommy after 1 abusive mail. Want a tissue?
They are playing the game, playing a role within the game, and playing it well.
Getting abusive about it is justifiable how, exactly?
In that situation, you have 2 options:
- you learn from your mistake, and kit your ship out differently next time, or seek revenge
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- you act like a child about it, and have a little tantrum
Throwing a hissy fit in game, then on the forums, just because things didn't go your way - nice. Very mature. From someone who claims it's just a game.
If you think that sort of behaviour is worthy of defence - stick up for the guy.
Personally I think he's acting like a whiny child, and that the game would be a better place without him.
Cheers,
TOM
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Darwpromtheus
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Posted - 2003.12.01 07:41:00 -
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Hey mister starwarsyspoofer.
Ur pathetic so called "comeback" peppered with some kind of internal twisted, logic coped with a serious attempt(!?) to get me banned from the game just for expressing my opinions awakens the rage in me yet again.
Ur postings are bad attempts to say something without bother with decent reasoning. Since when is it childish to elaborate ur opinions?You are the one going in the wrong direction better stop that "ship" or yours.
And show that EULA up ur ass before I do.
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