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Darwpromtheus
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Posted - 2003.11.25 23:55:00 -
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Pnulleople who use altchars to hind behind when stealing ore and using
Sociopathic behavior and grief tactics in various degrees against other
players are a part of the game, but never the less they need to be blacklisted and
put in the hall of shame as happens in most social contexts where these dirty ways of
Interactions occur, eve is by no means an exception.
Recently I have crossed path with one of these lowlifes when he/she/it stole from me the fruits of one hour mining in 0.5 space. And of course my reaction as in RL is profanity and abuse, in eve the result from my side is appropriate insult in local.
The lowlife then threatens to file a petition to get CCP to ban me for verbal harassment on a "fellow" player. The same "pitting u against CCP" reaction I got from a pirate who blew up my Indy when I was approaching a stargate, and in return he got some frustration and anger in form of a "very abusive" flameEVE-mai that I sent. In this case an main Char was used to play a criminal who live the ingame pirate style of life (hence the blowing up and looting of my Indy), which I have nothing against and are a part of the game.
But what kind of reaction do u expect when u capitalize on other peoples misery? Are the victims just supposed to laugh it all up and learn to deal with the "it's just a game" issue? Or are they entitle to flame the char with profanity, to let him/her/it have some without risking retribution from CCP?. Because thatÆs what I did. (yeah I know IÆm bad)the pirate narced me out!! LOL :))
I surely got a mail from one GM about the "over the top" flamehate/ mail I Sent to the pirate. But what else were my options to get some balance back (ingame homestatis, retaliation whatever) but verbal offence, which lies between ingame role-playing and real-life frustration?
You tend to identify a lot with the character you play the game with, so an attack ingame on your Character is pretty much psychologically dealt with as an would be attack on your self
That is not the same as not being able to distinguish real-life from ingame play/role-play. In the complex social world as MORG you are entitled to think feel and react to fellow players pretty much as you do against people in real life, (hey they are real life people behind those chars, you know)
So what about the Carebearflavour of this posting? For me itÆs quite simple; I donÆt care if the game mechanics lets people act as *******s against each other or if some sad soul will role-play ingame as a grifer. But I do care about the; "I report you to big brother, petition cries" when they are faced with the reaction they would get from their behavior that they would get in any normal social context where people do this deeds against each others. IÆm not advocating for CCP and GM¦s to not deal with continuous harassment and threats against players but thereÆs a big difference from the frustration ridden lamentations and utter rage you spurt out in an EVE-mail and which you find yourself in when victimized by other players. And outspoken continuous effort to harass a fellow player with multiple abuse.
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Darrin Tobruk
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Posted - 2003.11.26 00:34:00 -
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Here's my opinion offered freely to you.
First, an indy in 0.4 or lower space unescorted is simply asking to be pillaged.
Second: ore thieves are lame. STFU about getting a secure can, they're impractical for most of the heavy mining companies anyway.
Third: it is a game. Yes you put time into getting what you want, but it's just a game. I always try to remain civil in the face of the injustices that do go on in the game. I'm patient. I bide my time until oppertunity for revenge presents itself. Profanity laced tirades only make you look foolish. Just be a spider spinning your web of vengance.
Eviljohn, i almost found you today. I'm coming for you now, after almost 2 months of waiting. Be seeing you soon. 
I also agree that the pirates are some of the first to go running to a GM when some one lets loose on them. My advice again is to just give them a hearty "SCREW YOU" and then start planning your pay back. It's what I do.
Anyway, that's my take on the whole subject. Use it as you will.
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2003.11.26 01:50:00 -
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Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 26/11/2003 02:02:21
Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 26/11/2003 02:02:04
That was me
I blew up your indy
I have your loot-->Jet now has it...I haver her isk
I have your corpse
I got your abusive message
I petitioned GMs
Looks like I won
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Jet Jagowrath
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Posted - 2003.11.26 01:55:00 -
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and i bought the loot, thx
let the cycle of destruction continue,
"anyone need a Battleship?"
Jet x
King Jadrut of The Alliance That Kicks Your Arse Very Badly And Whoops You Like You've Never Seen Before, TATKYAVBAWYLYNSB for short, owns all Jove space, stay away or bad things will happen to you and your hamsters and/or gerbils mmmk
La Maison de tous les plaisirs - Where politics and pleasure meet...
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Dolemite2K
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Posted - 2003.11.26 01:57:00 -
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Gunni
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Posted - 2003.11.26 03:04:00 -
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Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 26/11/2003 02:02:21
Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 26/11/2003 02:02:04
That was me
I blew up your indy
I have your loot-->Jet now has it...I haver her isk
I have your corpse
I got your abusive message
I petitioned GMs
Looks like I won
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Gunni
Viziam
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Darrin Tobruk
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Posted - 2003.11.26 03:44:00 -
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Edited by: Darrin Tobruk on 26/11/2003 03:45:55
Point, set and match. Thanks guys 
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LaneHacker
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Posted - 2003.11.26 03:52:00 -
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Aren't you the guy that lost his Thorax to my Badger Mk2 today?! And your friend in a Kestrel too?
HAHAHAHA
Oh and next time, tell your Corp mate to put some weapons on his Domi if he intends to lock me!
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Anyone want to buy some mining equipment and some heavy missiles? It's all I have left of the salvage from these guys, I already sold the ore back to their Corp that I salvaged from nearby jet-cans!
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2003.11.26 05:23:00 -
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Quote:
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Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 26/11/2003 02:02:21
Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 26/11/2003 02:02:04
That was me
I blew up your indy
I have your loot-->Jet now has it...I haver her isk
I have your corpse
I got your abusive message
I petitioned GMs
Looks like I won
 That time in the morning 
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2003.11.26 05:33:00 -
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Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 26/11/2003 05:33:38
Your indy in the end was worth FA to me, Ive been podded firstly by H4X0 (a long time ago) in an uninsured cruiser fully kitted out, I sent no "eve flame mail" to him. Secondly I got podded in Venal (our fault we attacked them), again I sent no eve "eve flame mail" to him either, he convod me since and we had a cool chat about that night, both of us thinking that it was a load of fun. So I lost like what? 8mil on a cruiser and mods and a BS 70mil. So thats like 78mil compared to your pesky 1mil...err big difference there and in the way we both reacted dont you think, its by time that you grew up sonny.
No cookies for you
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.11.26 07:52:00 -
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1) Get used to it - too many players releasing their anger within the game and podding others just for fun. They think they are cool if they podd someone in indy but they shut up when they loose their BS to pirate killers.
2) Play with it - You can always insult them in roleplaying manner so that they can't complain. Something like: 'You pirate scum, son of 100 sailors, your mother didn't even know their names...'.
3) Get over it - It's a game (for most of us).
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Darwpromtheus
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Posted - 2003.11.29 07:20:00 -
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yeah I know but judging from the replies I got there are alot of immature little kids out there. Little children running around. How old are u guys
Your trying to teaseeee me or something? But as long as u don¦t keep running to CCP everytime I flame ur ass for stealing my stuff so be it. F::::: whanker pirates. LOL
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Darwpromtheus
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Posted - 2003.11.29 07:52:00 -
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No the case being made was running to mommi CCP after one (1) flame, not the supposed victimization-relativity issue ( I lost 3.8 mil isk in antibiotica but you lost 50 mil the day before yadi yadi. It¦s a game I know but If u take into account the time u spend playing and the energy u put down it¦s not a mere "it¦s just a game issue"
And if u consider who initiated aggression against who u realise very soon that ur argument is very weak and fitting for your ends only sonny.
If ur gonna be doing **** to me u will have to deal with profanity. And stop the narcing will ya? Where¦s the friggin criminal codex? bringing ingame metaroleplaying issues to account attacking.
LOL. A pirate and a god damned Thief shud expect being called all sorts of names that¦s what u throw to parasites. Petions from parasitic playertypes complaining about abuse and name calling should not count it is the burning sun in ur shameful desert.and u have choosen this path.
Hey congratulations to ur "victory"
lOL again.
It¦s just a game.
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Darwpromtheus
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Posted - 2003.11.29 08:14:00 -
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That time in the morning
What¦s the matter ? Yes I know it¦s way past ur bedtime sonny.
And u can keep the the four mining 1¦s those will build u a nice BS I¦m sure ..
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Darth Tom
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Posted - 2003.11.29 10:43:00 -
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It¦s just a game.
Then stop getting so worked up about it.
You get attacked, you die - boo hoo hoo.
Next time pay more attention, fit different modules, whatever.
Point being, it's *incredibly* difficult to force combat in EVE, and it's trivially easy to escape.
There is absolutely no grounds for abusive swearing when you get blown up.
Abuse is the resort of the impotent man - there are a multitude of better responses, and yes - such abuse should be petitioned.
Cheers,
TOM
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Arboc
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Posted - 2003.11.29 11:03:00 -
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PnullBut what else were my options to get some balance back (ingame homestatis, retaliation whatever) but verbal offence, which lies between ingame role-playing and real-life frustration?
Insurance & some friends with BS's
Seriously tho, if a pirates life if what you choose you should expect a small degree of flaming be it in local or by eve-mail. When you take time to work hard for something just to have it taken away it is very frustrating & human nature is to spout off with a few choice words.
Running to CCP complaining about it when your the aggressor is lame IMO.
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Krowe
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Posted - 2003.11.29 11:51:00 -
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*starts playing the violin for Darwpromtheus*
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Xenovetica
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Posted - 2003.11.29 13:15:00 -
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Can this guy get a yarr?
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2003.11.29 14:21:00 -
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No the case being made was running to mommi CCP after one (1) flame
It¦s just a game.
If its just a game then why the need to harrass him with words since you know that it is forbidden ?
You may think that those who kill other peaple in online games are just kids but you would be amazed by the immature flaming we get from so called adults that just dont relise that this is a game, we play it as we see fit as we have fun doing that.
And btw than I personally know no kids in the pirate proffession but I know alot of childish grown ups that arent pirates
That would explane why pirates get so many hate mails from the likes of you.
Spawn of the Devil
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Val Duane
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Posted - 2003.11.29 15:08:00 -
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Krowe: Try playing the violin for Tenacha Khan, who cried to the GMs about the ugly words that hurt his ears and apparently broke his heart so much he needed to petition the guy.
Darth Tom: "Abuse is the resort of the impotent man" That may be true, but what is to be said of someone who attacks an Indy in a BS or Cruiser...never mind one who cries to his mommy after 1 abusive mail. Want a tissue?
I think there are a lot of pirates out there that couldn't give a rats ass about some abuse after they hijack someoneÆs Indy. Kudos to them. Sleep in the bed you make my friends.
For those who can't handle the aggression shown them in words, after they have shown aggression in force....shame, poor you. Get over it. Go take your new found aggression out on another Indy.
Finally...keep up the pirating guys. Nothing wrong with it at all. Gives a nice balance to the game. I think Pirating is the only thing that is keeping eve from being sold as "Eve-Online: Deep Space Mining Simulation MMORPG."
Besides....it gives us "good citizens" something better than NPC rats to hunt :D
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Aterak
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Posted - 2003.11.29 15:15:00 -
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Quote:
Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 26/11/2003 02:02:21
Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 26/11/2003 02:02:04
That was me
I blew up your indy
I have your loot-->Jet now has it...I haver her isk
I have your corpse
I got your abusive message
I petitioned GMs
Looks like I won
looks to me like your dead. its one thing to steal ore, people hate it and even most pirates frown upon it. but petitioning because you couldn't handle the attack he sent your way. you are the weakest ore theif i have ever heard of if i find you i don't care if i am in an ibis after death i will kill you
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.11.29 20:58:00 -
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Is fun professions, you should try them out.
Hauling Consultants (tm)
Accounting Consultants (tm)
Inflation Control Inspectors (tm)
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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TIvian
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Posted - 2003.11.30 13:11:00 -
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m0oooooooo
(\_/)
(O.o)
(> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!! |
Darwpromtheus
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Posted - 2003.11.30 16:38:00 -
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Yeah more pirates and orethieves who have the guts and the stamina to take some metaroleplaying ****down mixed with authentic rage.
Anyone of u criminals heard about the ingame ignore button? my tip to a brave Pirate piloting a BS Dominix or whatnot loaded with guns and shipwreckin stuff would be: set the guy in the indi ur about to blast away on "preignore" that way u don¦t have to get nasty letters crawling in ur inbox after ur dirty deed is done. Because don¦t expect me to laugh it all up in local afterwards and compliment you on ur skills and handling with that BIGASS laser of urs. Yes it¦s a game but within the frames of the game u can¦t take away my right to get really really ****ed!
But u guys have certainly been a source of inspiration to me and alot of others no doubt. From nowone I will make sure that I make a Griefing altchar of my own, or should I go all the way and make a Mainchar griefer? That way I give others the opportunity to plunge **** in the right direction where it¦s due.
And what a way for my lawenforcement mainchar to get som extra isk in his bankaccount thanks to my drugtrafficing n00bie shooting altchar.
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Darwpromtheus
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Posted - 2003.11.30 16:57:00 -
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And to "Dart Tom" or whatever: Hey dude where can I find sum antipirate or antiDominix modules to my Itereon III ?
I know that u can solve this delicate issueu will be handsomely paid when ur done.
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Cell Satimo
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Posted - 2003.11.30 17:32:00 -
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IMHO, The best way to wind people up who kill you is to be polite, just don't swear or use anatomical references.
Given that some people provoke you to laugh at your tirade of abuse, breaking the EULA just makes you more of a laughing stock.
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Darwpromtheus
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Posted - 2003.11.30 19:33:00 -
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It should be clear to any one now, that communication with me after devestation of my property or life and ur the perpertrator is doomed to be filled with ALOT of anatomical references.
Hey ur suggestion sounds like that buddhist munk who walks right out in the street pours a gallon of gasolin on top of his head and sets the persona on fire. That¦s a nice way to show thar ur nott happy with thing aint it ?
And u totally missed my point; USing The EULA as a bat to hit ur antagonist that¦s all fine and dandy then ?..Laugh it all up then.
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Darth Tom
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Posted - 2003.11.30 20:27:00 -
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Quote:
And to "Dart Tom" or whatever: Hey dude where can I find sum antipirate or antiDominix modules to my Itereon III ?
I know that u can solve this delicate issueu will be handsomely paid when ur done.
So, to recap then:
- you lack the intellect to outfit your ship for anything other than mining or massive cargo space?
- you understand the terms of the EULA, yet you feel you are justified in flaunting it, because you got killed?
- you claim you understand it is a game, then fly into a childish rage when you do badly at it?
Genius. Pure genius.
Cheers,
TOM
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Darth Tom
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Posted - 2003.11.30 20:32:00 -
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Darth Tom: "Abuse is the resort of the impotent man" That may be true, but what is to be said of someone who attacks an Indy in a BS or Cruiser...never mind one who cries to his mommy after 1 abusive mail. Want a tissue?
They are playing the game, playing a role within the game, and playing it well.
Getting abusive about it is justifiable how, exactly?
In that situation, you have 2 options:
- you learn from your mistake, and kit your ship out differently next time, or seek revenge
- or -
- you act like a child about it, and have a little tantrum
Throwing a hissy fit in game, then on the forums, just because things didn't go your way - nice. Very mature. From someone who claims it's just a game.
If you think that sort of behaviour is worthy of defence - stick up for the guy.
Personally I think he's acting like a whiny child, and that the game would be a better place without him.
Cheers,
TOM
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Darwpromtheus
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Posted - 2003.12.01 07:41:00 -
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Hey mister starwarsyspoofer.
Ur pathetic so called "comeback" peppered with some kind of internal twisted, logic coped with a serious attempt(!?) to get me banned from the game just for expressing my opinions awakens the rage in me yet again.
Ur postings are bad attempts to say something without bother with decent reasoning. Since when is it childish to elaborate ur opinions?You are the one going in the wrong direction better stop that "ship" or yours.
And show that EULA up ur ass before I do.
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Darwpromtheus
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Posted - 2003.12.01 08:08:00 -
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My recap: hey dude u don¦t think ur taking those dreams of becoming a SYS-admin a little to far?
Why don¦t file a application to ccp instead of using outgame tricks to ban me, and tell me now? Who is really bad at this "game". But thas¦s what u would expect from a guy with hybriscomplex hence the "godwannabe" insignia.
MY point is (to spell it out for ya) Try using ingame mechanics not spam CCP mailbox with insignificant crybaby petition and if u like to hold the backs of those petitionspammers it¦s ur choice because that¦s what "god" gave you; free will.
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Darwpromtheus
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Posted - 2003.12.03 01:30:00 -
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The narcing continues:
Arhounenen Pirates resorts to petition.
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Ch'ryl
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Posted - 2003.12.03 11:00:00 -
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I think it's about time you grew up.
People shouldn't have to put up with foul language no matter what their profession. Using it to express your anger and frustration at what was done to you merely shows a lack of intelligence and wit.
Why is it that when someone tells you that there are over a billion stars in the universe, you believe them, but if they tell you there is wet paint somewhere, you have to touch it to make sure? |
Darwpromtheus
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Posted - 2003.12.03 14:22:00 -
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Edited by: Darwpromtheus on 03/12/2003 14:23:42
It has nothing to do with age or childish behavior it is in fact away to radiate instrumental agression towards someone.
In a socialcontext that is used to let people know that u didn¦t liked what they did to you otherwise you send the message that it¦s OK to mess with you.
That was, as I have pointed out earlier metaroleplaying and genuine rage, mixed in one schweet coctail. There most be som gravel in the machinery, for parasitic individuals shall be labeled and shunned as outkasts, as happens in every civilized society.
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Dark Nyte
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Posted - 2003.12.03 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Nyte on 03/12/2003 16:35:48
what do ppl really expect ?
and its not like anyone making these pettions when they hear sware words in a film write to the distributor?
and if its about kids then ? its ok for them to think killing is fun and stealing is ok, but must not sware... get a grip (or give game age restriction!)
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Ch'ryl
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Posted - 2003.12.03 16:29:00 -
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You missed my point. There are ways of showing your displeasure and dislike for someone and their actions without having to resort to bad language. Intelligent people have the wherewithall to stand up for themselves without cussing.
What you seem to be saying is that if you don't use foul language people will think you are weak? I say that is absolute drivel. There are many people in this game whom I respect as being strong players whom I have never seen use foul language. I respect them a lot more than those who resort to foul language because they lack the vocabulary to get their point across otherwise.
Why is it that when someone tells you that there are over a billion stars in the universe, you believe them, but if they tell you there is wet paint somewhere, you have to touch it to make sure? |
Dark Nyte
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Posted - 2003.12.03 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Nyte on 03/12/2003 18:44:21
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You missed my point. There are ways of showing your displeasure and dislike for someone and their actions without having to resort to bad language. Intelligent people have the wherewithall to stand up for themselves without cussing.
What you seem to be saying is that if you don't use foul language people will think you are weak? I say that is absolute drivel. There are many people in this game whom I respect as being strong players whom I have never seen use foul language. I respect them a lot more than those who resort to foul language because they lack the vocabulary to get their point across otherwise.
Its unfair to say that inteigent people don't sware or resort to cussing. because it is
a) not true
b) a Sweeping generalisation
c) Implying that anyone who does not agree with you in that cussing is wrong is in fact stupid
well am i stupid then? do i lack vocabuary (i might not be able to spell but if you bring that up i can turn this whole PC stuff right back on you)
You have made a moral decision that swaring is wrong, not a intelectual one, backed up with opinions not facts.
(and of corse being a moral choice you feel an obligation to push it onto others)
Further more from the content of the post in this tread of the person who made the petion and i quote "looks like I won" they did'nt do it because they were offend they did it out of spite! and to do actually try and harm someones in real life (even by getting them banned) out of spite is far worse than using a word that you don't like
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Ch'ryl
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Posted - 2003.12.03 23:47:00 -
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Edited by: Ch'ryl on 03/12/2003 23:48:41
It is not only a moral decision not to swear. It is the fact that it is against the rules of the game itself. Why else would the player have got banned for swearing if it was allowed?
And why should anyone have to put up with someone else's foul language if it's not what they want to read/hear?
And no, I am not one of those people who puts other people down for bad spelling or grammar. That has nothing to do with intelligence and I am not even going to go into that. Remember, you raised that subject, not me.
Ok so I did make a bit of a sweeping generalisation, but I do find that out of most of the people I meet, the only ones who resort to bad language to that extent are:
a) trying to intimidate
b) lacking in vocabulary and conversational skills
and
c) not very bright
I'm not talking about people who let the odd cussword slip when they hit their thumb with a hammer, or get annoyed. I'm talking about people who let loose a stream of verbal abuse (and yes, at that level it is abuse) at the drop of a hat because someone annoys them.
It's not just a moral viewpoint, it's a matter of swearing being socially unacceptable. If it was okay for people to behave in that manner it wouldn't be an arrestable offence. If swearing was okay it wouldn't be a bannable offence in the chat channels on eve, and it wouldn't be a bannable offence on the forums.
This is my opinion, yes, and as such I will continue to voice it because I believe it to be true and not because I want to force anyone else to believe it to be true. I am merely arguing my viewpoint, just as you are arguing yours.
Why is it that when someone tells you that there are over a billion stars in the universe, you believe them, but if they tell you there is wet paint somewhere, you have to touch it to make sure? |
Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2003.12.03 23:54:00 -
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Seems that this thread has grown quiet alot
Firstly Darwpromtheus in you msg you said "Plz don¦t bother replying ur****got cause I blocked U."....that is where you were wrong, did you really think that I would not reply to your message, well I did to ccp.
I get flamed all the time by people, I dont have a problem with, what I did have a problem with was your petty childish insults and the manner in which you wrote them...the above quote tells me that ccp should have a word with your parents to stop them from letting you use there cc for your eve subscription, because as I see it, you cannot be over 18.
I have aliitle sister who is nearly 16 and from listening to her friends I gather that you are at the same mental level as them.
Let me give you a taste as what I see as acceptable messages
Well i hope your pleased with your little frag fest, killing my mate Proteuz was a big mistake. He's not happy I'm not happy and the rest of his mates ain't happy!
You better watch your backs from now on coz were coming for you and WHEN we find you we WILL **** you! Then where gonna **** u over again, and again and again!
You've been warned!!! Your days are numbered!!!
Bad language in that, but not personal insults
You are now on KOS on our Corp !!
Simple...but still pretty funny
You are the first person who has ever thrown personal insults at me, as for what you said earlier about putting people on ignore before I pod them...why, when evryone with the exception of you and only you comes back with a decent piece of flame or a convo.
The people who have posted here agreeing with me that he is totally out of order, thnx
For the people that agree with him, Im quiet appaled really
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2003.12.03 23:57:00 -
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looks to me like your dead. its one thing to steal ore, people hate it and even most pirates frown upon it. but petitioning because you couldn't handle the attack he sent your way. you are the weakest ore theif i have ever heard of if i find you i don't care if i am in an ibis after death i will kill you
ORE THEIF
Where did you get the idea that I am an ore theif..I leave that to Skillz
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2003.12.04 00:02:00 -
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Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 04/12/2003 00:07:53
Quote:
Quote:
That time in the morning
What¦s the matter ? Yes I know it¦s way past ur bedtime sonny.
And u can keep the the four mining 1¦s those will build u a nice BS I¦m sure ..
Firstly get the quotes right
I dont think that you would understand it any way...
Tenacha Khan points at Gunni.."he started it"
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Darwpromtheus
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Posted - 2003.12.04 02:38:00 -
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Edited by: Darwpromtheus on 04/12/2003 02:38:55
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Edited by: Ch'ryl on 03/12/2003 23:48:41
It is not only a moral decision not to swear. It is the fact that it is against the rules of the game itself. Why else would the player have got banned for swearing if it was allowed?
>No body got banned but he tried to do that to me tried after (1) flame = lamer.<
And why should anyone have to put up with someone else's foul language if it's not what they want to read/hear?
LOL ..that¦s the meaning of foul language directed to target to hurt and to use psychological warfare.
It's not just a moral viewpoint, it's a matter of swearing being socially unacceptable. If it was okay for people to behave in that manner it wouldn't be an arrestable offence. If swearing was okay it wouldn't be a bannable offence in the chat channels on eve, and it wouldn't be a bannable offence on the forums.
>Well screw that since the aggressor is bringing **** on himself that¦s not even in question. What goes around comes around.
Continous effort and harassment should be treated the way ur posting is implying but one flame or lashout in local should not be subject nor reason to run to CCP for petition.<
And for TK the alt or whatever:
U don¦t get it do you ? I tried to bring you the same pain u brought me when u GANKED my indy That¦s my way of psych u grasp??? ONE flame....and petition, ur weak. ....sigh.
And what¦s that about ur sister?
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Posted - 2003.12.04 02:50:00 -
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The insults are indeed ment to spite u, just as you are trying to ban my account in spite.
U grasp?
MY flame is (1) retaliation ur attempt to ban me is well..... U figure it out
U get?
And ur comeback sux. What¦s that about ur sister again ? U are constantly trying to bring this issue to an outgame issue when all I did was one targeted flame to insult ur char since my new clone was ****ed when he found out what happened.
LOL.
And all this would not have been unless u decided to gank my indy. If I would been the INDYGANKER I would not be surprised to find some EVEhatemail in my mailbox.
U get?
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2003.12.04 02:50:00 -
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Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 04/12/2003 02:52:20
Nuber 1, you did not get Ganked
I think you screwed up when making the quotes, you message gas nothing to do with it
My sisters friends all 15 use the same type of insults and throw the same type if tantrums as you...which leads me to believe that you are about the same age, just funny the way you refer to me as a kid, when you are the childish one
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2003.12.04 02:55:00 -
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The insults are indeed ment to spite u, just as you are trying to ban my account in spite.
U grasp?
MY flame is (1) retaliation ur attempt to ban me is well..... U figure it out
U get?
And ur comeback sux. What¦s that about ur sister again ? U are constantly trying to bring this issue to an outgame issue when all I did was one targeted flame to insult ur char since my new clone was ****ed when he found out what happened.
LOL.
And all this would not have been unless u decided to gank my indy. If I would been the INDYGANKER I would not be surprised to find some EVEhatemail in my mailbox.
U get?
Er no I dont...you must be talking about another time..not me, becasue when I podded you, it was not ganking.
Your insults were there long before you got petitioned..
Furthermore, I never tried to get you banned, I asked the Gm to have a word with you.
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2003.12.04 02:57:00 -
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Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 04/12/2003 03:11:30
You talk about comebacks..Im not trying to flame you, I am simply pointing things out to you. The foolish and stupid players need to be educated...its only fair
Also, if your insults are sent to spite me, it is not really working, what you did in the begining annoyed me...especially the way you put me on ignore straight away..what were you afraid of, some nasty words
And all this would not have been unless u decided to gank my indy. If I would been the INDYGANKER I would not be surprised to find some EVEhatemail in my mailbox.
As I have already stated I do not get annoyed when I get podded...
I go out of my way to make things fair for the people I kill, you have plenty of time to get away..invul time of like 5-10secs with threat flashing up on your screen...then the time it takes for a bs to lock you, unlike some I cant kill you in one volley...you had all this time and were still too stupid to warp away. You should make an alt and send yourself a flamed up message telling yourself how ghey YOU are and how stupid YOU are for not getting away....that would make alot more sense. Then once you have read that one, log back in again and send another message to yourself saying the same, this time instead of being ghey and stupid for not running away, tell yourself that you are ghey and stupid for sending me a message which broke ccp rules and then coming to whine about it on the forums.
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2003.12.04 03:13:00 -
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Well, I have said all I have to say on this matter...continue on to try and flame all you want.
Thank you for you attention
Tenacha Khan
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Darwpromtheus
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Posted - 2003.12.04 10:36:00 -
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Edited by: Darwpromtheus on 04/12/2003 10:38:22
Once again u try to rationalize what happened through ur selfserving perspective. I called it a gank since u went for my indy with a dominix no fairness in that.
The issue here is NOT (as I have allready told you) what do to or not to do in a combat situation. You are on the wrong track, trying to obscure the REAL issue at hand with talks about ingame strategies when Petitiongankin and ccp narcing is the prime reason why I posted, no whining here, I just don¦t like getting petitoned for (1) eve-mail with profanity,,, if it were 2 or 3 I could have seen the point of running to ur GM and crying about foul words btw I didn¦t realize that pirates very unionized ???
LOL. It¦s not flaming if it contains communication. FYI.
I will fight to smacktalk u indigankers oregriefers in local without u running to ur GM with logfiles trying to ban my account, but if u don¦t want to hear how ghey u really are stop with the crimes and mess with my property and char (of course u shuddent without pirates this game sux)
Should I bring some shocking remarks in to EVE GM-crybaby court from u in, uttered in local? when u said that u wanted to desecrate my frozen body if that¦s not appaling I don¦t know what is and if that¦s not Ghey I don¦t know what ghey is......
LOL
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Indira Firebrand
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Posted - 2003.12.04 11:22:00 -
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Oh you lost a friggin indy!
Calm down already! its rediculous and annoying that you cant seem to just let it go.
i get put in a pod I yell at myself unless its an exploit(jip camping or gridding). Then I yell at CCP, but I have yet to ever yell at someone that destroys my ship, its just too childish.
ps: petitioning after 1 e-mail WAS weak tho. You probably narced on a 14 year old kid.
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Dell
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Posted - 2003.12.04 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 26/11/2003 02:02:21
Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 26/11/2003 02:02:04
That was me
I blew up your indy
I have your loot-->Jet now has it...I haver her isk
I have your corpse
I got your abusive message
I petitioned GMs
Looks like I won
*snip*
-Jehova
RN Killboard
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Dark Nyte
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Posted - 2003.12.04 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Nyte on 04/12/2003 12:11:48
Edited by: Dark Nyte on 04/12/2003 11:58:38
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Edited by: Ch'ryl on 03/12/2003 23:48:41
It is not only a moral decision not to swear. It is the fact that it is against the rules of the game itself. Why else would the player have got banned for swearing if it was allowed?
And why should anyone have to put up with someone else's foul language if it's not what they want to read/hear?
And no, I am not one of those people who puts other people down for bad spelling or grammar. That has nothing to do with intelligence and I am not even going to go into that. Remember, you raised that subject, not me.
Ok so I did make a bit of a sweeping generalisation, but I do find that out of most of the people I meet, the only ones who resort to bad language to that extent are:
a) trying to intimidate
b) lacking in vocabulary and conversational skills
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c) not very bright
I'm not talking about people who let the odd cussword slip when they hit their thumb with a hammer, or get annoyed. I'm talking about people who let loose a stream of verbal abuse (and yes, at that level it is abuse) at the drop of a hat because someone annoys them.
It's not just a moral viewpoint, it's a matter of swearing being socially unacceptable. If it was okay for people to behave in that manner it wouldn't be an arrestable offence. If swearing was okay it wouldn't be a bannable offence in the chat channels on eve, and it wouldn't be a bannable offence on the forums.
This is my opinion, yes, and as such I will continue to voice it because I believe it to be true and not because I want to force anyone else to believe it to be true. I am merely arguing my viewpoint, just as you are arguing yours.
ah but you are not arguing a point to are saying that they are stupid, "not very bright"
that is a banable offence too in the forum acording to rules isn't it ? personal attack and all that.
And to do that is plainly worse than using a bad word or a stream of ? when someone swares at u you get upset and angry and feel offended ok.. but when you call someone stupid or not very bright you are being prejudice, you saying that they are not equal to u, that in fact you are better? you are not better! you just have a belife that something is a measure of how inteligent you are when all its is a measure of is what you belive is right and what u belive is wrong!
socially unacceptable is a "moral code" as the laws that may bind them are moral laws the law after all gets you to put you hand on a bible.
(although i am not 100% sure they is a law that says no swareing? just maybe disturbing peace or something?)
I don't have to agree with the rules of the game to play it, as in this country we are allowed to speak out against things we don't agree with. (you may note I have not used bad language)
I stress you have broken the forum rules.
you have made a personal insult.
you have:
Called him childish
CAlled him stupid
you made no previous points about rules or any logic in your agument, and all my points too you were that you were not arguing a point you were name calling.
and you never addressed the fact that however uninteigent and or not talked about it is, it also socially unaccpetable to grass on ppl, this is case from the playground to the masonic lodge.
but i digress,
don't try and take high ground now pulling at rules that i never made refeerence too. or at laws that aren't inforced or back pedling, makeing claims on the small number of ppl you may have met the ones being your itelectual friend won't be swaring at you as you don't generally pod your m8s
you called ppl stupid, and with that statement you try and take the high ground. you are very very wrong on what is acceptable and what really hurts ppl inside more ? what do think is more likely to have scared someone for life
being called stupid at school by teachers or being called F***ing s**t eating scum bucket ? by your peers ? i can answer you this from experience.
calling someone a f**king fat C**t its not the cuss words that hurt them most it is the word with out stars!
your moral objections or socaitly objections mean nothing when instead of calling someone a **** you make them feel like one
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Ch'ryl
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Posted - 2003.12.04 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: Ch'ryl on 04/12/2003 12:57:21
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Ok so I did make a bit of a sweeping generalisation, but I do find that out of most of the people I meet, the only ones who resort to bad language to that extent are:
a) trying to intimidate
b) lacking in vocabulary and conversational skills
and
c) not very bright
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ah but you are not arguing a point to are saying that they are stupid, "not very bright"
that is a banable offence too in the forum acording to rules isn't it ? personal attack and all that.
Now you're just being pedantic. Read what I said above. It says that 'I do find that'. In other words, in my experience. I didn't call people names. I said that I have personally found that such extensive use of bad language shows a lack of intelligence. That is still my opinion.
However, you are trying to use semantics to make it appear that I have made a personal attack on someone and called them names. That is untrue. I have merely stated my opinion on a certain type of behaviour In my personal experience. Giving my personal opinion on someone's behaviour is NOT a bannable offence. Personal attacks and namecalling are and I have not done that. If I had said directly to him as an individual 'you are stupid and childish' that would have been a personal attack. Again, I did not do that. I did, in a manner of speaking, call his behaviour stupid and childish, which is a totally different matter. Please learn to distinguish between the two.
And please, stop trying to put words into my mouth.
For your information I was not trying to make him feel inferior to me. Nor would I try to make anyone feel that way. I was arguing that his initial behaviour was wrong. I still feel it is and no amount of your twisting my words in an attempt to make me look like the wrong-doer will change that.
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And to do that is plainly worse than using a bad word or a stream of ? when someone swares at u you get upset and angry and feel offended ok.. but when you call someone stupid or not very bright you are being prejudice, you saying that they are not equal to u, that in fact you are better?
Again, I was referring to his behaviour and how it makes him appear. He could be the most intelligent man in the world and the moment he starts uttering a torrent of foul language in MY opinion he makes himself appear unintelligent.
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I don't have to agree with the rules of the game to play it, as in this country we are allowed to speak out against things we don't agree with. (you may note I have not used bad language)
No you don't have to agree, but you have to abide by them or you could get banned. Which is what this is all about isn't it? The fact that he broke the rules, risked getting banned, and then whined on the forums about it when he was reported.
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I stress you have broken the forum rules.
you have made a personal insult.
you have:
Called him childish
CAlled him stupid
I stress that I have done nothing of the sort. Please read above because I really am sick of having to repeat myself.
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and you never addressed the fact that however uninteigent and or not talked about it is, it also socially unaccpetable to grass on ppl, this is case from the playground to the masonic lodge.
Well you see I don't agree with this train of thought. If that were the case no one would ever report crime or wrongful behaviour and people would literally get away with murder. The only time I see the words grass and narc used are by people who have done something wrong and have been found out because someone reported them. As in this case. And is it socially unacceptable? Or is it only socially unacceptable amongst people who do things they could be 'grassed' on for?
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being called stupid at school by teachers or being called F***ing s**t eating scum bucket ? by your peers ? i can answer you this from experience.
Both are wrong. Don't you see that??? It is no more right to call someone profane names than it is to call them stupid. However, I repeat (yet AGAIN) that I did NOT call him stupid. I suggested that his BEHAVIOUR showed a lack of intelligence. And in my personal experience it does.
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calling someone a f**king fat C**t its not the cuss words that hurt them most it is the word with out stars!
Actually, again, it's both. The words in stars just add vitriol to the personal attack and make even worse. Using the words in stars tends to intimidate the victim of the abuse even more so.
Why is it that when someone tells you that there are over a billion stars in the universe, you believe them, but if they tell you there is wet paint somewhere, you have to touch it to make sure? |
Dark Nyte
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Posted - 2003.12.04 13:43:00 -
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Intelligent people have the wherewithall to stand up for themselves without cussing.
this is directly saying that all iteligent ppl don't vuss therefore anyone else is not inteilgent therefore stupid
there is no it seems to me or the ppl i come accross here you only put that in after!
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However, you are trying to use semantics to make it appear that I have made a personal attack on someone and called them names.That is untrue
really then what is this ?
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I think it's about time you grew up.
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It says that 'I do find that'. In other words,
again this is the back pedling this was after i called you up on it.
u say in one thing and then make out like you were saying some thing else two posts l8r
you said what you said
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I have merely stated my opinion on a certain type of behaviour In my personal experience.
it only become your personaly oppinion afterwards. where afterwards
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Giving my personal opinion on someone's behaviour is NOT a bannable offence. Personal attacks and namecalling are and I have not done that.
actually i kinda of depends on that opnion...
and you have made an attack you are just hiding behind what you think as a inteligent argument civil ness in other words you veild your meaning but it is still there for all to see. "you should grow up" and "you are childish" ?? you really expect me to belive these mean 2 different things
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I think it's about time you grew up.
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I did, in a manner of speaking, call his behaviour stupid and childish,
no you told him to grow up you can see it plan as day, there is no manner of speaking its is clear in black and white what you said? do you think i won't look at your post ?
i didn't say you were the wrong doer I am saying you are a hypocrit. you are doing what he did only you are doing it sneeky like.
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Again, I was referring to his behaviour and how it makes him appear. He could be the most intelligent man in the world and the moment he starts uttering a torrent of foul language in MY opinion he makes himself appear unintelligent.
this does not mean
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Intelligent people have the wherewithall to stand up for themselves without cussing.
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Both are wrong. Don't you see that??? It is no more right to call someone profane names than it is to call them stupid. However, I repeat (yet AGAIN) that I did NOT call him stupid. I suggested that his BEHAVIOUR showed a lack of intelligence. And in my personal experience it does.
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both may be wrong but stupid is personal sware words arent.
I have quoted you often enoght to prove you did not make suggestions, or manner of speakings. you made a sentence designed to call him stupid in a supperor way. at least you are stupid you aren't implying your superior to boot
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Actually, again, it's both. The words in stars just add vitriol to the personal attack and make even worse. Using the words in stars tends to intimidate the victim of the abuse even more so.
but still it is tha meaning of the middle word that sticks and really hurts, the cuss words are just effect
he did one and you did other.
and don't say i am twisting your words because they are plain in your first 2 posts you are twisting your own words now, adding phrases like behaviour and in my opinion . these words did not appear till after i reponded to you calling him childish and stupid you may have veiled it but it is still there plain as day
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Ch'ryl
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Posted - 2003.12.04 14:12:00 -
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*Sigh*
Ok, I concede that in telling him to grow up I implied that he was being childish. In my opinion he was being childish and that is still my opinion. When people say 'oh grow up' they are saying that you are behaving like a child. That is still not calling anyone names. It is calling them on their behaviour. What I should have said, was 'You are being childish'. There, that better?
And yes, I said that intelligent people have the wherewithall to express themselves without swearing. They do. It is a statement of fact. If, by his behaviour, he took that to mean that I think he isn't intelligent, then I'm sorry but that was the impression he gave me by his actions. Again I chose my words wrongly. What I should have said was 'Intelligent people have the wherewithall to express themselves without swearing, so you are making yourself appear less intelligent by using foul language'. Is that better?
What you are suggesting is that me expressing my opinion in that way is as bad as him calling people names and swearing, and that is complete and unadulterated tosh in my opinion.
Let me say this in a way that you can't misconstrue:
I think his behaviour was childish.
I think he showed himself in a bad light and made himself look unintelligent by his language and behaviour.
I'm not going to post any more in reply to this as you are clearly out to argue with anything anyone says (I have formed this opinion from reading your other posts on other threads). I would call you a troll but that would be wrong of me so I won't.
Let's just say that you won the argument because I can't be bothered replying to such a pedant anymore.
Why is it that when someone tells you that there are over a billion stars in the universe, you believe them, but if they tell you there is wet paint somewhere, you have to touch it to make sure? |
Dark Nyte
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Posted - 2003.12.04 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Nyte on 04/12/2003 15:03:06
just for information though its not how you say grow up its weather you should say it at all make a point not an insult.
[you can probaly find in those other post somewhere where i break this rule?]
Actually there was another thread where I was called a troll (or at least everyone in thread was) and i thought about it and decide to delete my comments and I came here and was going to delete my last but one post, but i saw your reply.
Its not so much I am out to insight anger as I have it incited within me. (which probably means im a flamer not a troll, i am still trying hard not to say anything on what you have just said)
yes i am pedantic and yes I do keep close tabs on words and comments people use. and i try alot to try and write humours (or at least light hearted posts) but i do often get caught up in these kinds of things. for which to all i am sorry.
i'm not going to call you or imply you are anything...
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.12.04 15:30:00 -
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people who can't insult other people without resorting to low-end cusswords, aren't worth anyone's time.
*click*
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*click*
*click*
*click*
bah..
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Jehova
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Posted - 2003.12.04 15:36:00 -
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Parties of this discussion have stated that it is over. The dicussion now is more of a meta disussion and people trying to troll eachother into warnings. I am closing it.
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