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Victoria du Ponte School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.09.29 21:37:04 - [1] - Quote Saisa! My name is Victoria and this is my last desperate hope to find our who my parents or family might be. Here is what little I know about myself. Victoria is not the name I was born with. Whatever that name was, it is long forgotten. According to the best guess by doctors, I was born on 10.01 YC93 +/- eight months. Genetic testing confirms that I am Achuran, but there is evidence of genetic modification: specifically pale skin, freckles, and red hair. I was rescued from a Serpentis location in Syndicate in YC104. I had been owned by a Serpentis officer for as long as I can remember back into my childhood. I do remember my mother, but all I really have are feelings and despite working with some of the best sketch artists of the Caille police, I have been unable to produce a picture. I think she had black hair, though. I know this is not a lot to go on, but hopefully somewhere, someone is missing someone that might be me.
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 1020	Posted - 2015.09.29 21:46:58 - [2] - Quote Have you tried barcode-scanning that tattoo on your head ? Might be useful, if you don't already know what it is. Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Victoria du Ponte School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.09.29 22:04:01 - [3] - Quote Valerie Valate wrote: Have you tried barcode-scanning that tattoo on your head ? Might be useful, if you don't already know what it is. Doesn't come up in any database I have access to. It was originally on my inner left wrist, but I moved it when I cloned. I was rescued by a members of the Gallente military and one of them adopted me. So, I have been living in the Federation since I was rescued. Since I became a capsuleer, though, I really want to try and find out who I am.
Jennifer Starfall Chrysos Aigis 285	Posted - 2015.09.29 22:14:08 - [4] - Quote Ms. Du Pont, the wrist is not a standard location for a State identification code. Are you sure that it's a State ident? Jennifer Starfall
Victoria du Ponte School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.09.29 22:16:43 - [5] - Quote Mom tried to do some checking before the whole war started, but nothing came back. I'd like to check, though. Someone stole me, or my parents from my home. And, while I love my mother and my adopted empire, I want to know where I came from: Achura or the State, or wherever.
Yarosara Ruil State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.09.29 22:33:26 - [6] - Quote Oh you poor girl. Pay no attention to the Blood Raider and her japs. Clearly she has better things to do, like drinking blood or whatever it is her types do. It is not uncommon to orphans to slip out of the system and land in slavery rings outsider the State, specially Tube Childs. I don't think the State sponsored any Achura Tube Child, so you were probably designed by a private clinic. If that's your case, there should probably be a paper trail record. The House of Records station in New Caldari would probably be your best bet to find that paper trail. Whatever it is you do from here on out, it ought to involve you staying as far away as possible from the Federation and their hedonism. You might call the Federation home now, and their way of life might look more appealing, but your place is with your people.
Deitra Vess Hounds of War. Hashashin Cartel 661	Posted - 2015.09.29 22:35:34 - [7] - Quote Good luck.
Akera Kaizen. 0	Posted - 2015.09.29 22:46:38 - [8] - Quote The shipping business is a closed kimono affair. Sometimes it involves boxes 'n equipment.. and sometimes it involves smuggling people. Your barcode sounds like a procured identity badge that might've been invalidated or swept under a database. Havin Achuran folks myself, I grew up in Phoenix and I might just know a fella who has some older State citizenship database mirrors we can plug your tat into. Probably I'm thinkin I got a scanner up in my lab in New Cal if you wanna stop by. sç¦péïµ¥¡pü»µëôpüƒpéîpéïpÇé
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 5631	Posted - 2015.09.30 05:47:40 - [9] - Quote It's not a State Ident code, I can promise you that. Not unless it was damaged when you relocated it - I had it scanned, reconstructed and then extrapolated against all the known corporate codes and got one partial return on a portion of it. Apparently you are a delicious breakfast treat, sold in worker canteens by the LaiDai Corporation. So, I'm dismissing that possibility, since you look way too high in protein for a single-serving breakfast and not nearly high enough in fibre. Of course the chance remains that the code is from a special bio project from one of the Big Eight, but that is highly unlikely. If you were sold into slavery then the odds favour you being the child of one of the dispossessed and that doesn't sort with what sounds like genetic modification and the wealth that buys it. It's far more likely to have been a private code belonging to your owner, I'm afraid, and it may only be an asset tag. You are highly unlikely to be a Tube Child, given your mixed ancestry and your Achuran blood - there are simply too many Achurans to need to batch more of them. Even redheads. But we're in the realms of speculation, here. My apologies, Miss. "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Arkoth 24 Phayder Research 0	Posted - 2015.09.30 08:40:37 - [10] - Quote Capsuleers got no parents. No matter who do you want to call your family - their daughter is dead now, and you're just a bearer of her stolen memories trapped by your own lies. Your quest is pointless. You never had a family and you will never have any. Face it.

Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 730	Posted - 2015.09.30 08:42:49 - [11] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: Capsuleers got no parents. No matter who do you want to call your family - their daughter is dead now, and you're just a bearer of her stolen memories trapped by your own lies. Your quest is pointless. You never had a family and you will never have any. Face it. My clan begs to differ. Yes, this is even knowing that Elmund version 8.0 died outside his pod and Elmund version 7.5 that replaces him is missing about one month's worth of memories. Family insists that blood is blood. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Arkoth 24 Phayder Research 0	Posted - 2015.09.30 08:48:15 - [12] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: My clan begs to differ. Yes, this is even knowing that Elmund version 8.0 died outside his pod and Elmund version 7.5 that replaces him is missing about one month's worth of memories. Family insists that blood is blood. You were made to believe it.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 730	Posted - 2015.09.30 09:35:36 - [13] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: My clan begs to differ. Yes, this is even knowing that Elmund version 8.0 died outside his pod and Elmund version 7.5 that replaces him is missing about one month's worth of memories. Family insists that blood is blood. You were made to believe it. And you were made to believe that capsuleers have no family. Remember that somebody has contributed to the template from which our clones are made, and that somebody has his genes contributed by another individual or another set of individuals. Now the bigger question is how does Elmund version 7.5 fit into the family tree. Am I to be considered the son of Elmund 8.0, or the son of Elmund 8.0's father? Who is Elmund 8.0's father? Is he Elmund 7.0 or the father of Elmund 1.0? Clan voted to just lump Elmund version whatever into another subset of the family tree. They took the tree, drew a bubble right under my parents' names and put my name in it. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Arkoth 24 Phayder Research 0	Posted - 2015.09.30 10:29:01 - [14] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: And you were made to believe that capsuleers have no family. Remember that somebody has contributed to the template from which our clones are made, and that somebody has his genes contributed by another individual or another set of individuals. Now the bigger question is how does Elmund version 7.5 fit into the family tree. Am I to be considered the son of Elmund 8.0, or the son of Elmund 8.0's father? Who is Elmund 8.0's father? Is he Elmund 7.0 or the father of Elmund 1.0? Clan voted to just lump Elmund version whatever into another subset of the family tree. They took the tree, drew a bubble right under my parents' names and put my name in it. It was your choice to consider yourself as Elmund Egivand. It was your clan's choice to adopt you as a part of it's own no-matter-what. And it may be dat lost girl's family choice to believe that a clone with their daughter's memories is their child. Free will - the game of choices. You may call yourself immortal. You may call yourself undead. You may call yourself whatever you like - and you may believe it. But the true nature of every single clone is a dark void. Memories stolen from the dead is the only shelter in this ocean of madness. It's all up to you - to adopt or to reject - until you make your choice. Even if you will choose to choose not. Victoria du Ponte's quest is pointless. Clone got no parents, no past, no reason to be. Until it decide to have one. But first it has to face it's true nature with open eyes.
Yarosara Ruil State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.09.30 12:00:37 - [15] - Quote Enlight me. How is debating philosophy going to help Ser du Ponte discover her own origins? If that curiosity is a good time investment or not though, is irrelevant and nothing of our beewax to care. Ser Arkoth, you can respectably take your transhumanism drivel, and shove it. Some of us still prefer to cling to our humanity and not devolve to whatever monstrocity you classify yourself as.
Arkoth 24 Phayder Research 0	Posted - 2015.09.30 12:28:55 - [16] - Quote Yarosara Ruil wrote: Enlight me. How is debating philosophy going to help Ser du Ponte discover her own origins? If that curiosity is a good time investment or not though, is irrelevant and nothing of our beewax to care. Ser Arkoth, you can respectably take your transhumanism drivel, and shove it. Some of us still prefer to cling to our humanity and not devolve to whatever monstrocity you classify yourself as. "Humanity" got nothing with lies you choose to believe. Victoria du Ponte is dead. Her personality is just a data now - collected, stored, used to made the clone and it's "humanity". There's no origins to discover and no need for help. But clone if free to believe it got any. Just as you do.
Aria Jenneth Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 1604	Posted - 2015.09.30 13:02:07 - [17] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: You may call yourself whatever you like - and you may believe it. But the true nature of every single clone is a dark void. Memories stolen from the dead is the only shelter in this ocean of madness. Gods and spirits.... Pilot, why believe such a cruel thing? The "truth" of our nature will be ambiguous, as it is for others. I'm really curious how you square your belief in free will with the idea that we're basically just memories of dead people, echoing in darkness. Wouldn't such a being be just reacting to whatever is put into its head, without a true self to make decisions? Not that I believe a word of what I just said, but it would seem more consistent with your outlook. For my own part, I approach it exactly the other way around: we are, to virtually all intents and purposes, the same people. But we never had free will to begin with, just complexity and the illusion of a separate self. Victoria du Ponte wrote: I know this is not a lot to go on, but hopefully somewhere, someone is missing someone that might be me. Well ... let's see. Considering you were enslaved as a child, and its original location-- and your original location-- the bar code's likely to be a Serpentis tag. The Serpentis themselves are likely to have records; the Angel Cartel and its associates and affiliates are usually pretty well-organized people, I think. It might work best to try to trace your origins through the people who held you. Carefully, though. It's interesting that they'd modify you. Achura are pretty rare to begin with, so, uh, I apologize for to saying such a thing, but you were likely modified to suit your owner's tastes. That was probably expensive, so, again, there are likely to be records. Just, you know, hidden behind ruthless people.
Victoria du Ponte UC Finishing Program 3	Posted - 2015.09.30 13:44:48 - [18] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: "Humanity" got nothing with lies you choose to believe. Victoria du Ponte is dead. Her personality is just a data now - collected, stored, used to made the clone and it's "humanity". There's no origins to discover and no need for help. But clone if free to believe it got any. Just as you do. I had this discussion with Diana Kim (who also called me a traitor :( ). I'm me and that's all that matters. Philosophy was never my strong point. Aria Jenneth wrote: Considering you were enslaved as a child, and its original location-- and your original location-- the bar code's likely to be a Serpentis tag. The Serpentis themselves are likely to have records; the Angel Cartel and its associates and affiliates are usually pretty well-organized people, I think. It might work best to try to trace your origins through the people who held you. I was afraid of this. Mom tried to see if there was any of the intel at the place where they rescued me, but wasn't able to find anything. As to my 'owner' he was killed in the process.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 5633	Posted - 2015.09.30 14:57:55 - [19] - Quote Victoria du Ponte wrote: As to my 'owner' he was killed in the process. At least the story has a happy ending. Don't listen to the nihilists and do not be branded traitor to a State that never knew you. You're far more likely to be a Client State Achuran by inheritance anyway, just going on probabilities. You have a family and you know they love you and that is worth infinitely more than any philosophy. My advice? Go home. Stay for dinner. Give your mother a hug. "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Victoria du Ponte UC Finishing Program 3	Posted - 2015.09.30 17:42:20 - [20] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Victoria du Ponte wrote: As to my 'owner' he was killed in the process. At least the story has a happy ending. . . . My advice? Go home. Stay for dinner. Give your mother a hug. Respectfully, sir, it has a happy beginning! I was rescued and have all this opportunity now. I know what I was; I don't hide from it. So instead of being near the end of my life expectancy, I am near the beginning. There's more to see than can ever be seen, more to do than can ever be done, but I am going to give it my best shot! As for my mother, sir, you should know that I would never forsake her. Even if I find my biological mother, mom will still be mom. She's helped me so much. So, yeah, I did just that! She made ratatouille.

Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 5640	Posted - 2015.09.30 19:31:04 - [21] - Quote Victoria du Ponte wrote: Maybe, since you got a partial hit on a LaiDai product, I should look more closely into LaiDai? I'm not totally sure how the ident codes work. You could, but it's almost certainly a coincidence, I'm afraid. Ident codes work by giving people tags that can provide information regarding their origin. My own tattoo contains the following number : SV-02E-AA014596-93-019 SV = Suukuvestaa, which is my Corporation of origin. The rest breaks down similarly, if you're interested I can tell you what each digit reveals - but it's dry stuff, referring to my station of origin and some salient info about my Tubechild batch. "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Victoria du Ponte UC Finishing Program 3	Posted - 2015.09.30 19:38:10 - [22] - Quote Oh. So, a dead end?
Yarosara Ruil State War Academy Caldari State 2	Posted - 2015.09.30 22:10:00 - [23] - Quote Well, it could have been worse. At least it wasn't a NOH barcode.
Aria Jenneth Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 1608	Posted - 2015.10.01 00:44:39 - [24] - Quote Victoria du Ponte wrote: Aria Jenneth wrote: Considering you were enslaved as a child, and its original location-- and your original location-- the bar code's likely to be a Serpentis tag. The Serpentis themselves are likely to have records; the Angel Cartel and its associates and affiliates are usually pretty well-organized people, I think. It might work best to try to trace your origins through the people who held you. I was afraid of this. Mom tried to see if there was any of the intel at the place where they rescued me, but wasn't able to find anything. As to my 'owner' he was killed in the process. Well ... I'm a little reluctant to suggest this avenue, as it seems to cause you distress, but ... The Angel Cartel isn't a small pirate outfit. It's essentially an empire in its own right, and it does business in slaves from all backgrounds. How they come by these people is pretty varied; unlike in the Empire, it's not at all a religious thing. They've just sort of straight-up made the call that people can be property. As far as I can gather, or remember, they're nothing if not pragmatic. Having slaves means being prepared to deal with runaways, and that's probably at least part of what that bar code is for-- to help pursuers identify you. And if you were owned by one of the Serpentis (who are Cartel clients), you probably passed through their system at some point. Cartel slave catchers and bounty hunters would probably have access to a database that could identify you by that code, along with any pertinent information they might have. That's likely to include your former owner, but also might well include ownership and medical history, and might even include your origins and how they acquired you. Notably, they may very well have kept track of your relations so they'd have a couple places to look if you disappeared. That might not be very comforting, but it seems more likely to produce results than trying to sift through records of disappeared children.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 731	Posted - 2015.10.01 01:19:44 - [25] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: And you were made to believe that capsuleers have no family. Remember that somebody has contributed to the template from which our clones are made, and that somebody has his genes contributed by another individual or another set of individuals. Now the bigger question is how does Elmund version 7.5 fit into the family tree. Am I to be considered the son of Elmund 8.0, or the son of Elmund 8.0's father? Who is Elmund 8.0's father? Is he Elmund 7.0 or the father of Elmund 1.0? Clan voted to just lump Elmund version whatever into another subset of the family tree. They took the tree, drew a bubble right under my parents' names and put my name in it. It was your choice to consider yourself as Elmund Egivand. It was your clan's choice to adopt you as a part of it's own no-matter-what. And it may be dat lost girl's family choice to believe that a clone with their daughter's memories is their child. Free will - the game of choices. You may call yourself immortal. You may call yourself undead. You may call yourself whatever you like - and you may believe it. But the true nature of every single clone is a dark void. Memories stolen from the dead is the only shelter in this ocean of madness. It's all up to you - to adopt or to reject - until you make your choice. Even if you will choose to choose not. Victoria du Ponte's quest is pointless. Clone got no parents, no past, no reason to be. Until it decides to have one. But first it has to face it's true nature with open eyes. You seem to forget one very important fact: The genes of your clone is inherited from a template. The genes from the template is inherited from either one or two individuals, depending on the circumstances of your birth. This means that you have at least one parent. That parent has parents of his or her own. Whether you like it or not, you have parents, grandparents, great grandparents and so on. Fact of the matter is you have a family, whether you or they acknowledge it or not. Just because a father disowns his son does not make him cease to be the boy's father. The abandonment of an offspring in the wilds does not make the offspring cease to be an offspring. Blood is blood. Either accept it and move on or deny it and be stuck in that blood-relations rut until the day you die, and pass that problem on to the next of kin. On the subject of clones, on the other hand, the question of 'whose offspring', can become a very confusing matter if thought about too hard, especially when one can considers that asexual reproduction exists and, in this manner, the clone can be considered the offspring of the original. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Rook Moray Cell 13 Salvage 44	Posted - 2015.10.01 01:26:43 - [26] - Quote Namas, There's another possibility. You and your family might be connected with the Guristas. We have a lot of systems, operate in most of the State, including the border systems with the Federation. Drop me a line. GÇ£When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.GÇ¥ -Guristas Proverb.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 5644	Posted - 2015.10.01 04:34:47 - [27] - Quote Elmund, you must remember that the donor genetic material is a starting point for Tube Children and not an absolute legacy. Admittedly it's unusual for more more than a few traits to be altered and these are generally done prior to tubing, but strictly speaking there is no reason why the genetic donors of a batch would have to be a couple. It could just as easily be a single individual, as you said or, more likely a collection of people. "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 732	Posted - 2015.10.01 04:41:58 - [28] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Elmund, you must remember that the donor genetic material is a starting point for Tube Children and not an absolute legacy. Admittedly it's unusual for more more than a few traits to be altered and these are generally done prior to tubing, but strictly speaking there is no reason why the genetic donors of a batch would have to be a couple. It could just as easily be a single individual, as you said or, more likely a collection of people. I did acknowledge the existence of the Tube Children by mentioning 'inherited from either one or two individuals' and that 'you have at least one parent'. Either way, blood is still blood, no matter how mixed. Never did mention that having a family is a positive thing. In this day and age we can have just one parent, or a dozen parents, whom we may or may never meet and acknowledge, but matter of fact is we are still family. But I admit, family trees are getting really complicated these days if we even bother to really draw the thing. My clan does, to keep track of who is whose offspring to ensure that we don't end up having in-bred children somewhere down the line (especially considering that the clan originated from a singular slave enclave where nobody's necessarily related to each other by blood). Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Arkoth 24 Phayder Research 2	Posted - 2015.10.01 08:06:42 - [29] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: Gods and spirits.... Pilot, why believe such a cruel thing? The "truth" of our nature will be ambiguous, as it is for others. I'm really curious how you square your belief in free will with the idea that we're basically just memories of dead people, echoing in darkness. Wouldn't such a being be just reacting to whatever is put into its head, without a true self to make decisions? Not that I believe a word of what I just said, but it would seem more consistent with your outlook. For my own part, I approach it exactly the other way around: we are, to virtually all intents and purposes, the same people. But we never had free will to begin with, just complexity and the illusion of a separate self. Gods, spirits, souls. Fear is the source of any belief. When humans are scared their imagination creates many sorts of things to believe. Death and nonexistence, the final result, no mighty gods to blame for your own faults, no second chance to take, no reward to get, no punishment to suffer. This is not the way for the weak. You may believe in whatever you want. This is free will. But memories stolen from the dead are not just your shelter - they are the cage you were trapped into. And throwing them away is the only way to reveal your true-self. To be whatever you want to be. A human? A monster? A puppet playing it's role? Whatever. But not a blind fool on a leash.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2033	Posted - 2015.10.01 08:14:04 - [30] - Quote There was a philosophical discussion about lives of clones, and was said an idea that it doesn't belong here. However, in some cases philosophical questions can affect our daily life, they can dictate choices we make, and they can make us and people around us happier... or unhappier. And this is such exact case. Ask yourself a question, what would you do, after you will find who you were, and would find that your parents are still alive?.. We, Caldari in general are rather utilitarian people. However, when talking about Achura, you should always keep in mind spiritual aspect as well. And in case of rural Achura this aspect might even become dominant. From utilitarian point of view we, clones, use bodies and memories or our previous clones in order to preserve skills after their deaths. Skills and memories of my previous instances have allowed me to become a tool of efficient destruction of enemies, and their abilities are used in interests of the State even after their death. From spiritual point of view though it might be very vexing to know that body and memories of your deceased relative are still used by someone to achieve some sort of task. And although these memories make us think that we are 'continuation' of their lives, we are already new lives. Returning to your parents to show them that you use body and memories of their long deceased daughter might be too much for them to bear. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 732	Posted - 2015.10.01 08:23:46 - [31] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: Aria Jenneth wrote: Gods and spirits.... Pilot, why believe such a cruel thing? The "truth" of our nature will be ambiguous, as it is for others. I'm really curious how you square your belief in free will with the idea that we're basically just memories of dead people, echoing in darkness. Wouldn't such a being be just reacting to whatever is put into its head, without a true self to make decisions? Not that I believe a word of what I just said, but it would seem more consistent with your outlook. For my own part, I approach it exactly the other way around: we are, to virtually all intents and purposes, the same people. But we never had free will to begin with, just complexity and the illusion of a separate self. Gods, spirits, souls. Fear is the source of any belief. When humans are scared their imagination creates many sorts of things to believe. Death and nonexistence, the final result, no mighty gods to blame for your own faults, no second chance to take, no reward to get, no punishment to suffer. This is not the way for the weak. You may believe in whatever you want. This is free will. But memories stolen from the dead are not just your shelter - they are the cage you were trapped into. And throwing them away is the only way to reveal your true-self. To be whatever you want to be. A human? A monster? A puppet playing it's role? Whatever. But not a blind fool on a leash. You are starting to sound like a cult leader. If you think that only memories are transferred from clone to clone, I'm afraid you are mistaken. Memories are merely a part of what's transferred. Such is the nature of the brain-state scan. Everything is transferred. Memories either conscious, unconscious or subconscious, phobias and psychosis, experiences, emotional attachments to all the mentioned, everything. The copy of the brain-state scan that's put into the head of your clone is, in essence, everything that is mentally you stuffed into the body. As for the body? The entirety of your gene makeup goes into that body as well. Outwardly and neurologically, the clone is pretty much you. However, spiritually, if that is applicable, is this clone really you, resurrected, or another individual who has inherited everything that is you? This discussion will fall within the realm of the metaphysical unless we are able to define what a soul is, and how to detect and measure a soul. Until then, we can only debate about it endlessly, just as how the philosophers of old can spend ages debating about 'The Horatio's Ship Paradox' or, as us Matari know it as, 'The Chief's Axe Paradox'. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Arkoth 24 Phayder Research 2	Posted - 2015.10.01 08:59:24 - [32] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: You are starting to sound like a cult leader. If you think that only memories are transferred from clone to clone, I'm afraid you are mistaken. Memories are merely a part of what's transferred. Such is the nature of the brain-state scan. Everything is transferred. Memories either conscious, unconscious or subconscious, phobias and psychosis, experiences, emotional attachments to all the mentioned, everything. The copy of the brain-state scan that's put into the head of your clone is, in essence, everything that is mentally you stuffed into the body. As for the body? The entirety of your gene makeup goes into that body as well. Outwardly and neurologically, the clone is pretty much you. However, spiritually, if that is applicable, is this clone really you, resurrected, or another individual who has inherited everything that is you? This discussion will fall within the realm of the metaphysical unless we are able to define what a soul is, and how to detect and measure a soul. Until then, we can only debate about it endlessly, just as how the philosophers of old can spend ages debating about 'The Horatio's Ship Paradox' or, as us Matari know it as, 'The Chief's Axe Paradox'. We studied the process of neuro-scan transition and we got really deep in it. To know how puppet works is the only way to cut it's ropes. There's no need for any kind of "soul" in this case - whatever you would like to call a "soul". Genes, memories, experiences - none of these make your true-self. Choices you make are only what matters. You may inherit this burden from the dead or you may throw it away. 'Cause dead are dead and you're alone before the void of your nonexistent past and undetermined future.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 733	Posted - 2015.10.01 09:09:28 - [33] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: You are starting to sound like a cult leader. If you think that only memories are transferred from clone to clone, I'm afraid you are mistaken. Memories are merely a part of what's transferred. Such is the nature of the brain-state scan. Everything is transferred. Memories either conscious, unconscious or subconscious, phobias and psychosis, experiences, emotional attachments to all the mentioned, everything. The copy of the brain-state scan that's put into the head of your clone is, in essence, everything that is mentally you stuffed into the body. As for the body? The entirety of your gene makeup goes into that body as well. Outwardly and neurologically, the clone is pretty much you. However, spiritually, if that is applicable, is this clone really you, resurrected, or another individual who has inherited everything that is you? This discussion will fall within the realm of the metaphysical unless we are able to define what a soul is, and how to detect and measure a soul. Until then, we can only debate about it endlessly, just as how the philosophers of old can spend ages debating about 'The Horatio's Ship Paradox' or, as us Matari know it as, 'The Chief's Axe Paradox'. We studied the process of neuro-scan transition and we got really deep in it. To know how puppet works is the only way to cut it's ropes. There's no need for any kind of "soul" in this case - whatever you would like to call a "soul". Genes, memories, experiences - none of these make your true-self. Choices you make are only what matters. You may inherit this burden from the dead or you may throw it away. 'Cause dead are dead and you're alone before the void of your nonexistent past and undetermined future. And choices are made based on experiences, knowledge and memories you possess. Where, I ask, did all of this come from, how your current clone come to possess them? Do they just appear out of a vacuum, or did you inherit a large part of them from a previous clone and learn the rest from since the time of transfer? Like it or not, every individual inherited something from a previous someone. The only real way to lose it all is to create a blank-slate clone, with no memories, no information. And even then that clone inherited his genetics from multiple someone's, and even then, how he turns up will depend very heavily on how he is educated and the environment he is educated and nurtured in. There is no true self, only a self that is molded deliberately, semi-deliberately or non-deliberately. You are always an anagram of many individuals. You will always inherit something from someone, and one day, someone else will inherit those from you, whether you like it or not. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Tabris Katz New Moon Harvesters 44	Posted - 2015.10.01 09:18:44 - [34] - Quote Victoria du Ponte, first of all allow me to express my deepest sympathies over your experiences while captive by Serpentis. I hope you are successful in your quest to reunite with your family and I will gladly pass on any information I might come across. I do have one question for you that relates to your experiences while captive. I do not expect you to know the answer and will not be disappointed if you don't wish to recall anything from that period of your life. Did you ever hear anyone mention or meet an Amarrian woman by the name of Leliel Katz? Leliel is my wife and she was captured by an unknown party several years ago. She was taken from the SOE station in Sigga during a station blackout. When the Sisters reestablished power to the station, she, her capsuleer record and her clone data where all missing along with several others. If you have heard anything, please let me know. I miss her greatly and want to bring those responsible for her kidnapping to justice.
Arkoth 24 Phayder Research 2	Posted - 2015.10.01 10:10:23 - [35] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: And choices are made based on experiences, knowledge and memories you possess. Where, I ask, did all of this come from, how your current clone come to possess them? Do they just appear out of a vacuum, or did you inherit a large part of them from a previous clone and learn the rest from since the time of transfer? Like it or not, every individual inherited something from a previous someone. The only real way to lose it all is to create a blank-slate clone, with no memories, no information. And even then that clone inherited his genetics from multiple someone's, and even then, how he turns up will depend very heavily on how he is educated and the environment he is educated and nurtured in. There is no true self, only a self that is molded deliberately, semi-deliberately or non-deliberately. You are always an anagram of many individuals. You will always inherit something from someone, and one day, someone else will inherit those from you, whether you like it or not. This may be called "personality". "Blank" clone may be too mentally unstable: it got nothing what it may call it's own, no belief in "eternal life", no reason to be. And that's why we don't have just bio-modules for ships with blank minds. Personality affects our life, our ways, our choices. That personality is ours - and that's the point. Clone may be called a heir or even a child in some case. But it's not a dead human - it got it's own personality, it's own true-self to reveal. And after few weeks or months when it will be destroyed - there will be no ressurection and no "second life" for it. In other words, you're not an "original" Elmund Egivand, and Victoria du Ponte is not "original" Victoria du Ponte. But you may choose to try to be 'em.
Lasairiona Raske Repracor Industries 204	Posted - 2015.10.01 10:12:47 - [36] - Quote My children will be so keen to know they have a dead mother. Joys.
Lasairiona Raske Repracor Industries 204	Posted - 2015.10.01 10:13:53 - [37] - Quote Miss du Ponte, I admire your desire to find out your origins. Please ignore those who try to mislead you in your quest. <3
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 733	Posted - 2015.10.01 10:25:01 - [38] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: And choices are made based on experiences, knowledge and memories you possess. Where, I ask, did all of this come from, how your current clone come to possess them? Do they just appear out of a vacuum, or did you inherit a large part of them from a previous clone and learn the rest from since the time of transfer? Like it or not, every individual inherited something from a previous someone. The only real way to lose it all is to create a blank-slate clone, with no memories, no information. And even then that clone inherited his genetics from multiple someone's, and even then, how he turns up will depend very heavily on how he is educated and the environment he is educated and nurtured in. There is no true self, only a self that is molded deliberately, semi-deliberately or non-deliberately. You are always an anagram of many individuals. You will always inherit something from someone, and one day, someone else will inherit those from you, whether you like it or not. This may be called "personality". "Blank" clone may be too mentally unstable: it got nothing what it may call it's own, no belief in "eternal life", no reason to be. And that's why we don't have just bio-modules for ships with blank minds. Personality affects our life, our ways, our choices. That personality is ours - and that's the point. Clone may be called a heir or even a child in some case. But it's not a dead human - it got it's own personality, it's own true-self to reveal. And after few weeks or months when it will be destroyed - there will be no ressurection and no "second life" for it. In other words, you're not an "original" Elmund Egivand, and Victoria du Ponte is not "original" Victoria du Ponte. But you may choose to try to be 'em. To believe that your 'true' personality is really your own is folly. Your 'true' personality does not exist in a vacuum either. Part of that is inherited genetically. Part of it is nurtured by education, environment and experience. Personality is not a constant, it is a changing thing, always affected by outside factors and being forced to adapt to cope. Your personality is the way it is because that's how it's shaped. You didn't shape your personality, outside factors did. There is no 'true' self, only an anagram of selves. Bits and pieces of all that is around you, be it individuals, societies, media, experiences, even knowledge and information, has come together to shape you into who you are, and you will always be shaped as you continue to live. I have become like the previous Elmund Egivand, for that is the information I receive from the previous Elmund Egivand. Given time, 'Elmund Egivand' will change. I will experience new things, learn more about the world around me, meet new people, and all of these will mold me and mutate the personality and memories that I inherit from the previous Elmund Egivand version 8.0. And when I die, all of these will then be inherited by Elmund Egivand 9.0, who will then act very much like Elmund Egivand version 7.5 did. And all that while personality and memory data will continue to mutate, shaped by whatever it was exposed to. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Arkoth 24 Phayder Research 2	Posted - 2015.10.01 10:27:13 - [39] - Quote Lasairiona Raske wrote: Miss du Ponte, I admire your desire to find out your origins. Please ignore those who try to mislead you in your quest. <3 To ignore the truth that you can't take sounds like a good strategy. Serves to humans well for centuries anyway.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 733	Posted - 2015.10.01 12:42:10 - [40] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: To believe that your 'true' personality is really your own is folly. Your 'true' personality does not exist in a vacuum either. Part of that is inherited genetically. Part of it is nurtured by education, environment and experience. Personality is not a constant, it is a changing thing, always affected by outside factors and being forced to adapt to cope. Your personality is the way it is because that's how it's shaped. You didn't shape your personality, outside factors did. There is no 'true' self, only an anagram of selves. Bits and pieces of all that is around you, be it individuals, societies, media, experiences, even knowledge and information, has come together to shape you into who you are, and you will always be shaped as you continue to live. I have become like the previous Elmund Egivand, for that is the information I receive from the previous Elmund Egivand. Given time, 'Elmund Egivand' will change. I will experience new things, learn more about the world around me, meet new people, and all of these will mold me and mutate the personality and memories that I inherit from the previous Elmund Egivand version 8.0. And when I die, all of these will then be inherited by Elmund Egivand 9.0, who will then act very much like Elmund Egivand version 7.5 did. And all that while personality and memory data will continue to mutate, shaped by whatever it was exposed to. Whithout these changes there will be no evolution, no movement, no reason for anything. And finding yourself may be called a process not an achievement in this case. But that's not the point. The point is to realize that even if you are a product of many previous cloning and data transition processes, that doesn't make you an "incarnation" or a copy of previous clones or of long-dead human ancestor. And death will not give you any "second chance". Consider the following scenario. Assuming that I, Elmund Egivand 7.5, decides to cease being Elmund Egivand and be somebody else entirely and cut all ties and give away my assets. Then I, a supposed new person, encounter somebody who needs something and endeavours to help him out. Am I doing this because this is what I, not-Elmund, wants to do it, or is the decision subtly influenced by what Elmund 7.0's data and am doing what he would have done? Will what I say be really entirely what I decide, without outside influence, to say, or was it something that Elmund 7.0 would have said in that situation? And if I decide to try to listen to Death Rustcore and find myself repulsed by it, was it because I, new person, am repulsed, or is my reaction subtly influenced by Elmund 7.0's distaste for Death Rustcore? If I force myself to keep listening to Death Rustcore until I like it, who is to say that Elmund 7.0 wouldn't have come to like Death Rustcore if he forces himself to do as I did? Like it or not, all my actions will be subtly influenced by Elmund 7.0. What I would do in the future is, with great likelihood, what Elmund 8.0 would have done if he wasn't already deceased. Why, because I inherited all of Elmund 7.0's data. His emotional data will subtly shape how I will react to similar things in similar situations, and, if my emotional data changes, who is to say that Elmund 7.0's data wouldn't have changed in a similar way when exposed to the same stimuli? Ignore as I like it, for as long as Elmund 7.0's data is in my head, it will influence how I behave, and as time passes, any changes that I made is built on top of Elmund 7.0's data. Elmund 7.0's data is my foundation and like all foundations, it is built on no matter how much I will it otherwise. How I behave in the future will be very similar to how Elmund 7.0 would have behaved if put in the same series of events and situation. There is no second chance, but there IS inheritance, and no matter how you try to be rid of it, traces will remain. To really expunge all data, I mustn't inherit any of Elmund 7.0's data to begin with. I have to be a blank-slate clone. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family

Aria Jenneth Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 1610	Posted - 2015.10.01 13:14:55 - [41] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: You may believe in whatever you want. This is free will. But memories stolen from the dead are not just your shelter - they are the cage you were trapped into. And throwing them away is the only way to reveal your true-self. To be whatever you want to be. A human? A monster? A puppet playing it's role? Whatever. But not a blind fool on a leash. ... you really don't know me, do you, pilot? I'm an amnesiac. It's a cloning issue; my personal memories failed to make the jump. I couldn't be caged by my past beyond maybe half a dozen clones back if I wanted to. In any case, could you and Mr. Egivand maybe take your derailment onto its own set of tracks?
Arkoth 24 Phayder Research 2	Posted - 2015.10.01 13:15:51 - [42] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: There is no second chance, but there IS inheritance, and no matter how you try to be rid of it, traces will remain. To really expunge all data, I mustn't inherit any of Elmund 7.0's data to begin with. I have to be a blank-slate clone. Inheritance may be important for someone, but for Nanoblack it means nothing. There's really no matter where our personality, dicisions and habbits came from and where would they go. The only thing that matters is that your ancestors are dead and you'll be dead when another clone will take everything what you call yours. Aria Jenneth wrote: ... you really don't know me, do you, pilot? I'm an amnesiac. Sounds like something special.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 733	Posted - 2015.10.01 13:30:13 - [43] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: There is no second chance, but there IS inheritance, and no matter how you try to be rid of it, traces will remain. To really expunge all data, I mustn't inherit any of Elmund 7.0's data to begin with. I have to be a blank-slate clone. Inheritance may be important for someone, but for Nanoblack it means nothing. There's really no matter where our personality, dicisions and habbits came from and where would they go. The only thing that matters is that your ancestors are dead and you'll be dead when another clone will take everything what you call yours. Inheritance is something that is thrust upon you, whether you like it or not. And it will haunt you, nag at you, whether you choose to deny it or accept it. Spectres and traces of your inheritance will show itself whether you are or are not conscious about it. Inheritance is not a choice. It is something that is passed down, something that is absorbed, and made into one's own. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Victoria du Ponte UC Finishing Program 4	Posted - 2015.10.01 15:04:48 - [44] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: From spiritual point of view though it might be very vexing to know that body and memories of your deceased relative are still used by someone to achieve some sort of task. And although these memories make us think that we are 'continuation' of their lives, we are already new lives. Returning to your parents to show them that you use body and memories of their long deceased daughter might be too much for them to bear. Can, um, anyone else elaborate? Is this true from an Achuran view? Tabris Katz wrote: During your captivity did you ever hear anyone mention or meet an Amarrian woman by the name of Leliel Katz? Sorry, sir, I don't remember anyone of that name. My 'owern' met with some Amarr sometimes and some of them were women, but I don't remember the names.
Lasairiona Raske Repracor Industries 205	Posted - 2015.10.01 15:35:43 - [45] - Quote I just choose to ignore idiots. I am still a woman, mother, daughter, and capsuleer. I fully pity you for your bleak perspective on our existence, Mr. Arkoth. Truly truly pity you.
Rook Moray Cell 13 Salvage 44	Posted - 2015.10.01 15:36:07 - [46] - Quote Victoria du Ponte wrote: I was rescued from a Serpentis location in Syndicate in YC104. I had been owned by a Serpentis officer for as long as I can remember back into my childhood. Outside of the Guristas angle....what system? What was the snakehead's name and did he work for a specific cell? GÇ£When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.GÇ¥ -Guristas Proverb.
Victoria du Ponte UC Finishing Program 5	Posted - 2015.10.01 15:46:51 - [47] - Quote Apparently that's classified. Mother knows, but she cannot tell me. As for my 'owner' his name was Dumas. Most people called him le Bel.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 733	Posted - 2015.10.01 15:48:51 - [48] - Quote Rook Moray wrote: Victoria du Ponte wrote: I was rescued from a Serpentis location in Syndicate in YC104. I had been owned by a Serpentis officer for as long as I can remember back into my childhood. Outside of the Guristas angle....what system? What was the snakehead's name and did he work for a specific cell? It's more likely for her to remember any distinguishable marks on his person. Perhaps he has a mark on him? Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Victoria du Ponte UC Finishing Program 5	Posted - 2015.10.01 16:00:32 - [49] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Rook Moray wrote: Victoria du Ponte wrote: I was rescued from a Serpentis location in Syndicate in YC104. I had been owned by a Serpentis officer for as long as I can remember back into my childhood. Outside of the Guristas angle....what system? What was the snakehead's name and did he work for a specific cell? It's more likely for her to remember any distinguishable marks on his person. Perhaps he has a mark on him? There's a great big hole in his forehead! I remember that. It goes all the way through.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 733	Posted - 2015.10.01 16:03:32 - [50] - Quote Victoria du Ponte wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Rook Moray wrote: Victoria du Ponte wrote: I was rescued from a Serpentis location in Syndicate in YC104. I had been owned by a Serpentis officer for as long as I can remember back into my childhood. Outside of the Guristas angle....what system? What was the snakehead's name and did he work for a specific cell? It's more likely for her to remember any distinguishable marks on his person. Perhaps he has a mark on him? There's a great big hole in his forehead! I remember that. It goes all the way through. Any other kind of marks? Like birthmarks, scars, perhaps a pale eye? Did you see the person who shot him? Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family

Yarosara Ruil State War Academy Caldari State 5	Posted - 2015.10.01 16:06:08 - [51] - Quote Victoria du Ponte wrote: Diana Kim wrote: From spiritual point of view though it might be very vexing to know that body and memories of your deceased relative are still used by someone to achieve some sort of task. And although these memories make us think that we are 'continuation' of their lives, we are already new lives. Returning to your parents to show them that you use body and memories of their long deceased daughter might be too much for them to bear. Can, um, anyone else elaborate? Is this true from an Achuran view? What the Strike Commander is trying to say, in regard to her own spiritual belief, is that each time "you" die a capsuleer death, you leave behind a "ghost" that goes on to join your ancestors in afterlife. The amount of shock value this would inflict on your biological parents would hinge on how pious they are with their spiritual beliefs. Of course, if true, afterlife is going to be really awkward for the average capsuleer. Frankly, it could go either way. Your real parents, if still alive, could be elated with the fact you are comfortably set for life career wise, or concerned over the fact you are now effectively immortal, or utterly disgusted with your current connections to the Federation. You shouldn't be too worried about that. There's still hope for you!
Victoria du Ponte UC Finishing Program 5	Posted - 2015.10.01 16:11:30 - [52] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Did you see the person who shot him? Yup, it was a Gallente Marine. He still comes around to see mom and me sometimes. Great guy. Always brings the best sweets. Yarosara Ruil wrote: You shouldn't be too worried about that. There's still hope for you! Thank you! I think they would want to know I am alive and well, myself.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 733	Posted - 2015.10.01 16:23:46 - [53] - Quote Maybe it's best to ask that Marine. Details about him? Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Victoria du Ponte UC Finishing Program 7	Posted - 2015.10.01 17:39:43 - [54] - Quote My mother was on the team that rescued me. Though, because of some official secrets act or something, a bunch of details are classified until YC129. She's told me all she knows, of course, but a lot of the background intelligence that kicked off the operation is still hidden. I put in an information request with theFIO, but, well, you know how they do.
Aria Jenneth Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 1611	Posted - 2015.10.01 21:52:18 - [55] - Quote Victoria du Ponte wrote: Diana Kim wrote: From spiritual point of view though it might be very vexing to know that body and memories of your deceased relative are still used by someone to achieve some sort of task. And although these memories make us think that we are 'continuation' of their lives, we are already new lives. Returning to your parents to show them that you use body and memories of their long deceased daughter might be too much for them to bear. Can, um, anyone else elaborate? Is this true from an Achuran view? Um. A little more about that: the question would have to be "which view." There are about a bajillion. For a kinda-sorta theocracy, the Achur religion isn't very organized. I do feel pretty safe saying that Ms. Kim's view is in the minority, though (and I don't think she'll mind if I say she's culturally Caldari, anyway). Achura tend to be attracted to the capsule because of its philosophical implications; for a tiny bloodline, we're WAY over-represented among capsuleers.
Arkoth 24 Phayder Research 2	Posted - 2015.10.01 22:04:48 - [56] - Quote Lasairiona Raske wrote: I just choose to ignore idiots. I am still a woman, mother, daughter, and capsuleer. I fully pity you for your bleak perspective on our existence, Mr. Arkoth. Truly truly pity you. Don't they make clones to be sterile? In some cases they should really do.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 5647	Posted - 2015.10.01 22:21:53 - [57] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: Lasairiona Raske wrote: I just choose to ignore idiots. I am still a woman, mother, daughter, and capsuleer. I fully pity you for your bleak perspective on our existence, Mr. Arkoth. Truly truly pity you. Don't they make clones to be sterile? In some cases they should really do. It's a side effect of cheap materials, actually. When your body is made of retro-virally altered potato peelings then it often won't hold a baby to term. If you wish to do it that way, and of course it's your decision and a completely valid lifestyle choice to do so. Clones made to a higher standard of workmanship and materials do not have that problem and, really, most of the people who shouldn't breed probably wouldn't get to do so without the aid of a Petri dish and an eyedropper, anyway. "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Aria Jenneth Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 1612	Posted - 2015.10.01 22:22:18 - [58] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: Lasairiona Raske wrote: I just choose to ignore idiots. I am still a woman, mother, daughter, and capsuleer. I fully pity you for your bleak perspective on our existence, Mr. Arkoth. Truly truly pity you. Don't they make clones to be sterile? In some cases they should really do. Often. Not always. Few capsuleers choose to have children, though there are always exceptions. I've been looking at your corporate and personal data, Mr. Arkoth, and, respectfully, you seem to be kind of romanticizing death and existential dread. It reminds me of what my predecessor used to call "the Black," that is, the sort of void spirit she felt poisoned capsuleer souls, drawing us down into an abyss of cold uncaring, inimical to life. (To be clear, both "spirit" and "souls" should be taken figuratively here-- my antecedent and I are both Shuijing practitioners; our sect doesn't teach the existence of literal spirits or gods. Or souls.) Actually, though, I think she was just really depressed.
Ashlar Vellum PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 212	Posted - 2015.10.01 23:23:02 - [59] - Quote Gallente marine that saved you should know the system and station where his unit was deployed that day, after all 13 years is not that big of a time frame. When you will narrow down the exact location search for the station manager and make him talk, those people always know everything about their domains. Best of luck in your search Ms. du Ponte.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 735	Posted - 2015.10.02 01:39:38 - [60] - Quote Ashlar Vellum wrote: Gallente marine that saved you should know the system and station where his unit was deployed that day, after all 13 years is not that big of a time frame. When you will narrow down the exact location search for the station manager and make him talk, those people always know everything about their domains. Best of luck in your search Ms. du Ponte. Just name of system and name of station and name of marine is a good starting point. Using those to ask around is going to turn up something and perhaps rustle a couple beehives. Wouldn't that be interesting? Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family

Victoria du Ponte UC Finishing Program 8	Posted - 2015.10.02 01:42:32 - [61] - Quote I'm sorry. They cannot tell me. Classified. Believe me, I tried. I really tried.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 735	Posted - 2015.10.02 01:47:49 - [62] - Quote Victoria du Ponte wrote: I'm sorry. They cannot tell me. Classified. Believe me, I tried. I really tried. What is your mother's name and how does one locate her? Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Victoria du Ponte UC Finishing Program 8	Posted - 2015.10.02 02:13:28 - [63] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Victoria du Ponte wrote: I'm sorry. They cannot tell me. Classified. Believe me, I tried. I really tried. What is your mother's name and how does one locate her? My adopted mother? I can talk to you privately, I guess.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 735	Posted - 2015.10.02 02:19:47 - [64] - Quote Victoria du Ponte wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Victoria du Ponte wrote: I'm sorry. They cannot tell me. Classified. Believe me, I tried. I really tried. What is your mother's name and how does one locate her? My adopted mother? I can talk to you privately, I guess. Now that's a start. You should be getting a private message from a capsuleer sleuth at any time within this week. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Arkoth 24 Phayder Research 2	Posted - 2015.10.02 07:56:00 - [65] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Arkoth 24 wrote: Don't they make clones to be sterile? In some cases they should really do. It's a side effect of cheap materials, actually. When your body is made of retro-virally altered potato peelings then it often won't hold a baby to term. If you wish to do it that way, and of course it's your decision and a completely valid lifestyle choice to do so. Clones made to a higher standard of workmanship and materials do not have that problem and, really, most of the people who shouldn't breed probably wouldn't get to do so without the aid of a Petri dish and an eyedropper, anyway. We've never got any confirmation for capsuleer's ability to have children from reliable sources - just only rumors. We will continue our search anyway. It's such an elegant cruelty to make children when your life will last for few months or years.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 737	Posted - 2015.10.02 08:20:35 - [66] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Arkoth 24 wrote: Don't they make clones to be sterile? In some cases they should really do. It's a side effect of cheap materials, actually. When your body is made of retro-virally altered potato peelings then it often won't hold a baby to term. If you wish to do it that way, and of course it's your decision and a completely valid lifestyle choice to do so. Clones made to a higher standard of workmanship and materials do not have that problem and, really, most of the people who shouldn't breed probably wouldn't get to do so without the aid of a Petri dish and an eyedropper, anyway. We've never got any confirmation for capsuleer's ability to have children from reliable sources - just only rumors. We will continue our search anyway. It's such an elegant cruelty to make children when your life will last for few months or years. Then you aren't really looking hard enough. Maybe get out of whatever system you live in and go inquire the med-techs in places like, say, the RSS or something. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Tabris Katz New Moon Harvesters 44	Posted - 2015.10.02 08:46:05 - [67] - Quote Victoria du Ponte wrote: Tabris Katz wrote: During your captivity did you ever hear anyone mention or meet an Amarrian woman by the name of Leliel Katz? Sorry, sir, I don't remember anyone of that name. My 'owern' met with some Amarr sometimes and some of them were women, but I don't remember the names. Thank you. I was truly hoping against hope that you might of heard mention of my beloved, but in the end I'm not surprised of this out come. Either way I am happy to hear you where able to escape for your captivity. It has renewed my hopes that Leliel is out there.
Ashlar Vellum PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 215	Posted - 2015.10.03 00:25:24 - [68] - Quote Victoria du Ponte wrote: I'm sorry. They cannot tell me. Classified. Believe me, I tried. I really tried. Where there's a will there's a way Ms. du Ponte.
Aria Jenneth Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 1624	Posted - 2015.10.03 04:16:08 - [69] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: We've never got any confirmation for capsuleer's ability to have children from reliable sources - just only rumors. We will continue our search anyway. It's such an elegant cruelty to make children when your life will last for few months or years. There are a couple couples I know of, with children. I'd introduce you, only ... um. Respectfully, you seem like someone who might do something seriously awful on principle. So, no.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 5656	Posted - 2015.10.03 06:39:32 - [70] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Arkoth 24 wrote: Don't they make clones to be sterile? In some cases they should really do. It's a side effect of cheap materials, actually. When your body is made of retro-virally altered potato peelings then it often won't hold a baby to term. If you wish to do it that way, and of course it's your decision and a completely valid lifestyle choice to do so. Clones made to a higher standard of workmanship and materials do not have that problem and, really, most of the people who shouldn't breed probably wouldn't get to do so without the aid of a Petri dish and an eyedropper, anyway. We've never got any confirmation for capsuleer's ability to have children from reliable sources - just only rumors. We will continue our search anyway. It's such an elegant cruelty to make children when your life will last for few months or years. My marriage has already lasted for two years, my life a couple of decades longer. And I know at least three capsuleers who have progeny. I've met a couple of pregnant female capsuleers. "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."

Arkoth 24 Phayder Research 3	Posted - 2015.10.03 13:17:47 - [71] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: There are a couple couples I know of, with children. I'd introduce you, only ... um. Respectfully, you seem like someone who might do something seriously awful on principle. So, no. There is no need for such time wasting 'cause miss Kernher helped us already to find an official clarification on this subject. We are not surprised to see such degradation of human kind. Anyway, no children deserve to have gene-modded short-living clone-parents nor to inherit such ignorance.
Aria Jenneth Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 1627	Posted - 2015.10.03 14:32:43 - [72] - Quote Arkoth 24 wrote: There is no need for such time wasting 'cause miss Kernher helped us already to find an official clarification on this subject. We are not surprised to see such degradation of human kind. Anyway, no children deserve to have gene-modded short-living clone-parents nor to inherit such ignorance. Degradation's in the eye of the beholder, pilot. Or the gods, depending on whom you ask. So's capsuleer life span, really. Since verifiable received knowledge is hard to come by, it's less about realities than about how you look at it.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2037	Posted - 2015.10.08 07:32:08 - [73] - Quote I wouldn't trust though to Mr. Egivand. He is a Federal now, an enemy of humanity in general and especially everyone of Caldari blood in particular. Whatever he would offer you is most probably a trap to kill you, to set you against the State or to indoctrinate you to become Federal bootlicker. As for the best way to extract information from gallente: plan a covert infiltration operation. Retrieve the information from their information sources, and kill as many of federal swines as possible on your way in and out. Dead federals don't raise an alarm. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan 1489	Posted - 2015.10.08 16:04:50 - [74] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: I wouldn't trust though to Mr. Egivand. He is a Federal now, an enemy of humanity in general and especially everyone of Caldari blood in particular. Whatever he would offer you is most probably a trap to kill you, to set you against the State or to indoctrinate you to become Federal bootlicker. As for the best way to extract information from gallente: plan a covert infiltration operation. Retrieve the information from their information sources, and kill as many of federal swines as possible on your way in and out. Dead federals don't raise an alarm. Or, just ask us. We may be eccentric, but we are not any more disposed to lies any other bloodline. As for being enemies of the Caldari.... Well, my mother was Caldari, and she didn't have any trouble with our government or culture. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 743	Posted - 2015.10.08 16:10:47 - [75] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: I wouldn't trust though to Mr. Egivand. He is a Federal now, an enemy of humanity in general and especially everyone of Caldari blood in particular. Whatever he would offer you is most probably a trap to kill you, to set you against the State or to indoctrinate you to become Federal bootlicker. As for the best way to extract information from gallente: plan a covert infiltration operation. Retrieve the information from their information sources, and kill as many of federal swines as possible on your way in and out. Dead federals don't raise an alarm. First, I don't quite care much about the Federation's Cult of Democracy. I only care about getting paid. Second, I only kill people I'm paid to kill or is red. She is not militia and not red and thus off the target list. Thirdly, not everyone is trained for the military or for covert ops. And finally, go ** yourself with a Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket. Actually, no, that's a waste of a perfectly fine one unit of ammunition. Go yourself with a sheared off wingy bits of a Kestrel. Actually no, that's also a waste of a perfectly good piece of salvage. You know what, go ** yourself with one unit of scrap metal. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2045	Posted - 2015.10.08 17:18:44 - [76] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: Well, my mother was Caldari That's the worst insult I have heard from gallentean! You will pay for your foul words, filthy creature!!! Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2045	Posted - 2015.10.08 17:20:51 - [77] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: And finally, go ** yourself with a Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket. Actually, no, that's a waste of a perfectly fine one unit of ammunition. Go yourself with a sheared off wingy bits of a Kestrel. Actually no, that's also a waste of a perfectly good piece of salvage. You know what, go ** yourself with one unit of scrap metal. And why I am not surprised at such sort of speech, given by a minmatar savage on a service to gallentean hedonistic subhumans... Well, savages gonna savage, as they say. Right? Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan 1489	Posted - 2015.10.08 18:04:30 - [78] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: Well, my mother was Caldari That's the worst insult I have heard from gallentean! You will pay for your foul words, filthy creature!!! Insult? My mother really was Caldari though......legally married to my father and everything..... of her own free will... Elmund Egivand wrote: Go **** yourself with one unit of scrap metal waste of scrap metal..... A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 746	Posted - 2015.10.09 01:52:43 - [79] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Go **** yourself with one unit of scrap metal waste of scrap metal..... If you know of anything that is of even lesser value than scrap metal, enlighten me. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Skyweir Kinnison King's Irregular Lancers 94	Posted - 2015.10.09 07:32:25 - [80] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Go **** yourself with one unit of scrap metal waste of scrap metal..... If you know of anything that is of even lesser value than scrap metal, enlighten me. Kim's opinions? Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Arkoth 24 Phayder Research 5	Posted - 2015.10.09 07:39:05 - [81] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: If you know of anything that is of even lesser value than scrap metal, enlighten me. Frozen biomass. We still can not find a way to reprocess it. Surprisely. Really need some research.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 748	Posted - 2015.10.09 07:39:23 - [82] - Quote Skyweir Kinnison wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Go ** yourself with one unit of scrap metal waste of scrap metal..... If you know of anything that is of even lesser value than scrap metal, enlighten me. Kim's opinions? It's not a physical object that she can use to ** herself with. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2051	Posted - 2015.10.09 08:54:41 - [83] - Quote Skyweir Kinnison wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Go **** yourself with one unit of scrap metal waste of scrap metal..... If you know of anything that is of even lesser value than scrap metal, enlighten me. Kim's opinions? Oh, a typical brainwashed gallentean dolthead decided to peek out to show everyone around his nonacceptance of well-known facts I love to state to them, displaying once again their ignorance. Well done, gallentean. Unfortunately, nothing new was learned. I pretty much can easily predict behavior of you and your kin. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 748	Posted - 2015.10.09 09:23:40 - [84] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Skyweir Kinnison wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Go **** yourself with one unit of scrap metal waste of scrap metal..... If you know of anything that is of even lesser value than scrap metal, enlighten me. Kim's opinions? Oh, a typical brainwashed gallentean dolthead decided to peek out to show everyone around his nonacceptance of well-known facts I love to state to them, displaying once again their ignorance. Well done, gallentean. Unfortunately, nothing new was learned. I pretty much can easily predict behavior of you and your kin. Says the one who can only retain new information in her head for less than twenty four hours. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2051	Posted - 2015.10.09 15:38:29 - [85] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Says the one who can only retain new information in her head for less than twenty four hours. Oh, another gallentean brainwashed lapdog spreads lies about me! How cute... NOT. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan 1493	Posted - 2015.10.09 19:21:22 - [86] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Go **** yourself with one unit of scrap metal waste of scrap metal..... If you know of anything that is of even lesser value than scrap metal, enlighten me. Kim herself? A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Victoria du Ponte UC Finishing Program 8	Posted - 2015.10.09 19:36:39 - [87] - Quote I'm really glad it's come to this.
Claudia Osyn Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan 1493	Posted - 2015.10.09 19:38:10 - [88] - Quote Victoria du Ponte wrote: I'm really glad it's come to this. Expectations met to your satisfaction? A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.


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