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Victoria du Ponte
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.09.29 21:37:04 -
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Saisa!
My name is Victoria and this is my last desperate hope to find our who my parents or family might be. Here is what little I know about myself.
Victoria is not the name I was born with. Whatever that name was, it is long forgotten.
According to the best guess by doctors, I was born on 10.01 YC93 +/- eight months.
Genetic testing confirms that I am Achuran, but there is evidence of genetic modification: specifically pale skin, freckles, and red hair.
I was rescued from a Serpentis location in Syndicate in YC104. I had been owned by a Serpentis officer for as long as I can remember back into my childhood.
I do remember my mother, but all I really have are feelings and despite working with some of the best sketch artists of the Caille police, I have been unable to produce a picture. I think she had black hair, though.
I know this is not a lot to go on, but hopefully somewhere, someone is missing someone that might be me. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
Sani-Sabik
1020
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Posted - 2015.09.29 21:46:58 -
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Have you tried barcode-scanning that tattoo on your head ? Might be useful, if you don't already know what it is.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Victoria du Ponte
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.09.29 22:04:01 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Have you tried barcode-scanning that tattoo on your head ? Might be useful, if you don't already know what it is.
Doesn't come up in any database I have access to. It was originally on my inner left wrist, but I moved it when I cloned.
I was rescued by a members of the Gallente military and one of them adopted me. So, I have been living in the Federation since I was rescued. Since I became a capsuleer, though, I really want to try and find out who I am. |
Jennifer Starfall
Chrysos Aigis
285
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Posted - 2015.09.29 22:14:08 -
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Ms. Du Pont, the wrist is not a standard location for a State identification code. Are you sure that it's a State ident?
Jennifer Starfall
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Victoria du Ponte
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.09.29 22:16:43 -
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Mom tried to do some checking before the whole war started, but nothing came back. I'd like to check, though. Someone stole me, or my parents from my home. And, while I love my mother and my adopted empire, I want to know where I came from: Achura or the State, or wherever. |
Yarosara Ruil
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.09.29 22:33:26 -
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Oh you poor girl. Pay no attention to the Blood Raider and her japs. Clearly she has better things to do, like drinking blood or whatever it is her types do.
It is not uncommon to orphans to slip out of the system and land in slavery rings outsider the State, specially Tube Childs. I don't think the State sponsored any Achura Tube Child, so you were probably designed by a private clinic. If that's your case, there should probably be a paper trail record. The House of Records station in New Caldari would probably be your best bet to find that paper trail.
Whatever it is you do from here on out, it ought to involve you staying as far away as possible from the Federation and their hedonism. You might call the Federation home now, and their way of life might look more appealing, but your place is with your people. |
Deitra Vess
Hounds of War.
Hashashin Cartel
661
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Posted - 2015.09.29 22:35:34 -
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Good luck. |
Akera
Kaizen.
0
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Posted - 2015.09.29 22:46:38 -
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The shipping business is a closed kimono affair. Sometimes it involves boxes 'n equipment.. and sometimes it involves smuggling people. Your barcode sounds like a procured identity badge that might've been invalidated or swept under a database.
Havin Achuran folks myself, I grew up in Phoenix and I might just know a fella who has some older State citizenship database mirrors we can plug your tat into. Probably I'm thinkin I got a scanner up in my lab in New Cal if you wanna stop by.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
5631
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Posted - 2015.09.30 05:47:40 -
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It's not a State Ident code, I can promise you that. Not unless it was damaged when you relocated it - I had it scanned, reconstructed and then extrapolated against all the known corporate codes and got one partial return on a portion of it.
Apparently you are a delicious breakfast treat, sold in worker canteens by the LaiDai Corporation.
So, I'm dismissing that possibility, since you look way too high in protein for a single-serving breakfast and not nearly high enough in fibre.
Of course the chance remains that the code is from a special bio project from one of the Big Eight, but that is highly unlikely. If you were sold into slavery then the odds favour you being the child of one of the dispossessed and that doesn't sort with what sounds like genetic modification and the wealth that buys it. It's far more likely to have been a private code belonging to your owner, I'm afraid, and it may only be an asset tag. You are highly unlikely to be a Tube Child, given your mixed ancestry and your Achuran blood - there are simply too many Achurans to need to batch more of them. Even redheads.
But we're in the realms of speculation, here. My apologies, Miss.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Arkoth 24
Phayder Research
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Posted - 2015.09.30 08:40:37 -
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Capsuleers got no parents. No matter who do you want to call your family - their daughter is dead now, and you're just a bearer of her stolen memories trapped by your own lies.
Your quest is pointless. You never had a family and you will never have any. Face it. |
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
730
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Posted - 2015.09.30 08:42:49 -
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Arkoth 24 wrote:Capsuleers got no parents. No matter who do you want to call your family - their daughter is dead now, and you're just a bearer of her stolen memories trapped by your own lies.
Your quest is pointless. You never had a family and you will never have any. Face it.
My clan begs to differ.
Yes, this is even knowing that Elmund version 8.0 died outside his pod and Elmund version 7.5 that replaces him is missing about one month's worth of memories. Family insists that blood is blood.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Arkoth 24
Phayder Research
0
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Posted - 2015.09.30 08:48:15 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:My clan begs to differ.
Yes, this is even knowing that Elmund version 8.0 died outside his pod and Elmund version 7.5 that replaces him is missing about one month's worth of memories. Family insists that blood is blood.
You were made to believe it. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
730
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Posted - 2015.09.30 09:35:36 -
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Arkoth 24 wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:My clan begs to differ.
Yes, this is even knowing that Elmund version 8.0 died outside his pod and Elmund version 7.5 that replaces him is missing about one month's worth of memories. Family insists that blood is blood. You were made to believe it.
And you were made to believe that capsuleers have no family.
Remember that somebody has contributed to the template from which our clones are made, and that somebody has his genes contributed by another individual or another set of individuals.
Now the bigger question is how does Elmund version 7.5 fit into the family tree. Am I to be considered the son of Elmund 8.0, or the son of Elmund 8.0's father? Who is Elmund 8.0's father? Is he Elmund 7.0 or the father of Elmund 1.0?
Clan voted to just lump Elmund version whatever into another subset of the family tree. They took the tree, drew a bubble right under my parents' names and put my name in it.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Arkoth 24
Phayder Research
0
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Posted - 2015.09.30 10:29:01 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:And you were made to believe that capsuleers have no family.
Remember that somebody has contributed to the template from which our clones are made, and that somebody has his genes contributed by another individual or another set of individuals.
Now the bigger question is how does Elmund version 7.5 fit into the family tree. Am I to be considered the son of Elmund 8.0, or the son of Elmund 8.0's father? Who is Elmund 8.0's father? Is he Elmund 7.0 or the father of Elmund 1.0?
Clan voted to just lump Elmund version whatever into another subset of the family tree. They took the tree, drew a bubble right under my parents' names and put my name in it.
It was your choice to consider yourself as Elmund Egivand. It was your clan's choice to adopt you as a part of it's own no-matter-what. And it may be dat lost girl's family choice to believe that a clone with their daughter's memories is their child. Free will - the game of choices.
You may call yourself immortal. You may call yourself undead. You may call yourself whatever you like - and you may believe it. But the true nature of every single clone is a dark void. Memories stolen from the dead is the only shelter in this ocean of madness. It's all up to you - to adopt or to reject - until you make your choice. Even if you will choose to choose not.
Victoria du Ponte's quest is pointless. Clone got no parents, no past, no reason to be. Until it decide to have one. But first it has to face it's true nature with open eyes. |
Yarosara Ruil
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.09.30 12:00:37 -
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Enlight me. How is debating philosophy going to help Ser du Ponte discover her own origins? If that curiosity is a good time investment or not though, is irrelevant and nothing of our beewax to care.
Ser Arkoth, you can respectably take your transhumanism drivel, and shove it. Some of us still prefer to cling to our humanity and not devolve to whatever monstrocity you classify yourself as. |
Arkoth 24
Phayder Research
0
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Posted - 2015.09.30 12:28:55 -
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Yarosara Ruil wrote:Enlight me. How is debating philosophy going to help Ser du Ponte discover her own origins? If that curiosity is a good time investment or not though, is irrelevant and nothing of our beewax to care.
Ser Arkoth, you can respectably take your transhumanism drivel, and shove it. Some of us still prefer to cling to our humanity and not devolve to whatever monstrocity you classify yourself as.
"Humanity" got nothing with lies you choose to believe.
Victoria du Ponte is dead. Her personality is just a data now - collected, stored, used to made the clone and it's "humanity".
There's no origins to discover and no need for help. But clone if free to believe it got any. Just as you do. |
Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
1604
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Posted - 2015.09.30 13:02:07 -
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Arkoth 24 wrote:You may call yourself whatever you like - and you may believe it. But the true nature of every single clone is a dark void. Memories stolen from the dead is the only shelter in this ocean of madness.
Gods and spirits....
Pilot, why believe such a cruel thing? The "truth" of our nature will be ambiguous, as it is for others.
I'm really curious how you square your belief in free will with the idea that we're basically just memories of dead people, echoing in darkness. Wouldn't such a being be just reacting to whatever is put into its head, without a true self to make decisions?
Not that I believe a word of what I just said, but it would seem more consistent with your outlook.
For my own part, I approach it exactly the other way around: we are, to virtually all intents and purposes, the same people. But we never had free will to begin with, just complexity and the illusion of a separate self.
Victoria du Ponte wrote:I know this is not a lot to go on, but hopefully somewhere, someone is missing someone that might be me.
Well ... let's see.
Considering you were enslaved as a child, and its original location-- and your original location-- the bar code's likely to be a Serpentis tag. The Serpentis themselves are likely to have records; the Angel Cartel and its associates and affiliates are usually pretty well-organized people, I think. It might work best to try to trace your origins through the people who held you.
Carefully, though.
It's interesting that they'd modify you. Achura are pretty rare to begin with, so, uh, I apologize for to saying such a thing, but you were likely modified to suit your owner's tastes. That was probably expensive, so, again, there are likely to be records.
Just, you know, hidden behind ruthless people. |
Victoria du Ponte
UC Finishing Program
3
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Posted - 2015.09.30 13:44:48 -
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Arkoth 24 wrote:
"Humanity" got nothing with lies you choose to believe.
Victoria du Ponte is dead. Her personality is just a data now - collected, stored, used to made the clone and it's "humanity".
There's no origins to discover and no need for help. But clone if free to believe it got any. Just as you do.
I had this discussion with Diana Kim (who also called me a traitor :( ). I'm me and that's all that matters. Philosophy was never my strong point.
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Considering you were enslaved as a child, and its original location-- and your original location-- the bar code's likely to be a Serpentis tag. The Serpentis themselves are likely to have records; the Angel Cartel and its associates and affiliates are usually pretty well-organized people, I think. It might work best to try to trace your origins through the people who held you.
I was afraid of this. Mom tried to see if there was any of the intel at the place where they rescued me, but wasn't able to find anything. As to my 'owner' he was killed in the process.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
5633
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Posted - 2015.09.30 14:57:55 -
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Victoria du Ponte wrote: As to my 'owner' he was killed in the process.
At least the story has a happy ending.
Don't listen to the nihilists and do not be branded traitor to a State that never knew you. You're far more likely to be a Client State Achuran by inheritance anyway, just going on probabilities. You have a family and you know they love you and that is worth infinitely more than any philosophy.
My advice? Go home. Stay for dinner. Give your mother a hug.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Victoria du Ponte
UC Finishing Program
3
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Posted - 2015.09.30 17:42:20 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Victoria du Ponte wrote: As to my 'owner' he was killed in the process.
At least the story has a happy ending. . . . My advice? Go home. Stay for dinner. Give your mother a hug.
Respectfully, sir, it has a happy beginning! I was rescued and have all this opportunity now. I know what I was; I don't hide from it. So instead of being near the end of my life expectancy, I am near the beginning. There's more to see than can ever be seen, more to do than can ever be done, but I am going to give it my best shot!
As for my mother, sir, you should know that I would never forsake her. Even if I find my biological mother, mom will still be mom. She's helped me so much. So, yeah, I did just that! She made ratatouille. |
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
5640
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Posted - 2015.09.30 19:31:04 -
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Victoria du Ponte wrote:Maybe, since you got a partial hit on a LaiDai product, I should look more closely into LaiDai? I'm not totally sure how the ident codes work.
You could, but it's almost certainly a coincidence, I'm afraid. Ident codes work by giving people tags that can provide information regarding their origin. My own tattoo contains the following number : SV-02E-AA014596-93-019
SV = Suukuvestaa, which is my Corporation of origin. The rest breaks down similarly, if you're interested I can tell you what each digit reveals - but it's dry stuff, referring to my station of origin and some salient info about my Tubechild batch.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Victoria du Ponte
UC Finishing Program
3
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Posted - 2015.09.30 19:38:10 -
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Oh. So, a dead end? |
Yarosara Ruil
State War Academy
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.09.30 22:10:00 -
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Well, it could have been worse. At least it wasn't a NOH barcode. |
Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
1608
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Posted - 2015.10.01 00:44:39 -
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Victoria du Ponte wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:Considering you were enslaved as a child, and its original location-- and your original location-- the bar code's likely to be a Serpentis tag. The Serpentis themselves are likely to have records; the Angel Cartel and its associates and affiliates are usually pretty well-organized people, I think. It might work best to try to trace your origins through the people who held you. I was afraid of this. Mom tried to see if there was any of the intel at the place where they rescued me, but wasn't able to find anything. As to my 'owner' he was killed in the process.
Well ... I'm a little reluctant to suggest this avenue, as it seems to cause you distress, but ...
The Angel Cartel isn't a small pirate outfit. It's essentially an empire in its own right, and it does business in slaves from all backgrounds. How they come by these people is pretty varied; unlike in the Empire, it's not at all a religious thing. They've just sort of straight-up made the call that people can be property.
As far as I can gather, or remember, they're nothing if not pragmatic.
Having slaves means being prepared to deal with runaways, and that's probably at least part of what that bar code is for-- to help pursuers identify you. And if you were owned by one of the Serpentis (who are Cartel clients), you probably passed through their system at some point. Cartel slave catchers and bounty hunters would probably have access to a database that could identify you by that code, along with any pertinent information they might have.
That's likely to include your former owner, but also might well include ownership and medical history, and might even include your origins and how they acquired you.
Notably, they may very well have kept track of your relations so they'd have a couple places to look if you disappeared. That might not be very comforting, but it seems more likely to produce results than trying to sift through records of disappeared children. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
731
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Posted - 2015.10.01 01:19:44 -
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Arkoth 24 wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:And you were made to believe that capsuleers have no family.
Remember that somebody has contributed to the template from which our clones are made, and that somebody has his genes contributed by another individual or another set of individuals.
Now the bigger question is how does Elmund version 7.5 fit into the family tree. Am I to be considered the son of Elmund 8.0, or the son of Elmund 8.0's father? Who is Elmund 8.0's father? Is he Elmund 7.0 or the father of Elmund 1.0?
Clan voted to just lump Elmund version whatever into another subset of the family tree. They took the tree, drew a bubble right under my parents' names and put my name in it. It was your choice to consider yourself as Elmund Egivand. It was your clan's choice to adopt you as a part of it's own no-matter-what. And it may be dat lost girl's family choice to believe that a clone with their daughter's memories is their child. Free will - the game of choices. You may call yourself immortal. You may call yourself undead. You may call yourself whatever you like - and you may believe it. But the true nature of every single clone is a dark void. Memories stolen from the dead is the only shelter in this ocean of madness. It's all up to you - to adopt or to reject - until you make your choice. Even if you will choose to choose not. Victoria du Ponte's quest is pointless. Clone got no parents, no past, no reason to be. Until it decides to have one. But first it has to face it's true nature with open eyes.
You seem to forget one very important fact: The genes of your clone is inherited from a template. The genes from the template is inherited from either one or two individuals, depending on the circumstances of your birth.
This means that you have at least one parent. That parent has parents of his or her own. Whether you like it or not, you have parents, grandparents, great grandparents and so on. Fact of the matter is you have a family, whether you or they acknowledge it or not.
Just because a father disowns his son does not make him cease to be the boy's father. The abandonment of an offspring in the wilds does not make the offspring cease to be an offspring. Blood is blood. Either accept it and move on or deny it and be stuck in that blood-relations rut until the day you die, and pass that problem on to the next of kin.
On the subject of clones, on the other hand, the question of 'whose offspring', can become a very confusing matter if thought about too hard, especially when one can considers that asexual reproduction exists and, in this manner, the clone can be considered the offspring of the original.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Rook Moray
Cell 13 Salvage
44
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Posted - 2015.10.01 01:26:43 -
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Namas,
There's another possibility.
You and your family might be connected with the Guristas. We have a lot of systems, operate in most of the State, including the border systems with the Federation.
Drop me a line.
GÇ£When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.GÇ¥ -Guristas Proverb.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
5644
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Posted - 2015.10.01 04:34:47 -
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Elmund, you must remember that the donor genetic material is a starting point for Tube Children and not an absolute legacy. Admittedly it's unusual for more more than a few traits to be altered and these are generally done prior to tubing, but strictly speaking there is no reason why the genetic donors of a batch would have to be a couple. It could just as easily be a single individual, as you said or, more likely a collection of people.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
732
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Posted - 2015.10.01 04:41:58 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Elmund, you must remember that the donor genetic material is a starting point for Tube Children and not an absolute legacy. Admittedly it's unusual for more more than a few traits to be altered and these are generally done prior to tubing, but strictly speaking there is no reason why the genetic donors of a batch would have to be a couple. It could just as easily be a single individual, as you said or, more likely a collection of people.
I did acknowledge the existence of the Tube Children by mentioning 'inherited from either one or two individuals' and that 'you have at least one parent'. Either way, blood is still blood, no matter how mixed.
Never did mention that having a family is a positive thing. In this day and age we can have just one parent, or a dozen parents, whom we may or may never meet and acknowledge, but matter of fact is we are still family.
But I admit, family trees are getting really complicated these days if we even bother to really draw the thing. My clan does, to keep track of who is whose offspring to ensure that we don't end up having in-bred children somewhere down the line (especially considering that the clan originated from a singular slave enclave where nobody's necessarily related to each other by blood).
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Arkoth 24
Phayder Research
2
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Posted - 2015.10.01 08:06:42 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Gods and spirits....
Pilot, why believe such a cruel thing? The "truth" of our nature will be ambiguous, as it is for others.
I'm really curious how you square your belief in free will with the idea that we're basically just memories of dead people, echoing in darkness. Wouldn't such a being be just reacting to whatever is put into its head, without a true self to make decisions?
Not that I believe a word of what I just said, but it would seem more consistent with your outlook.
For my own part, I approach it exactly the other way around: we are, to virtually all intents and purposes, the same people. But we never had free will to begin with, just complexity and the illusion of a separate self.
Gods, spirits, souls. Fear is the source of any belief. When humans are scared their imagination creates many sorts of things to believe. Death and nonexistence, the final result, no mighty gods to blame for your own faults, no second chance to take, no reward to get, no punishment to suffer. This is not the way for the weak.
You may believe in whatever you want. This is free will. But memories stolen from the dead are not just your shelter - they are the cage you were trapped into. And throwing them away is the only way to reveal your true-self. To be whatever you want to be. A human? A monster? A puppet playing it's role? Whatever. But not a blind fool on a leash. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2033
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Posted - 2015.10.01 08:14:04 -
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There was a philosophical discussion about lives of clones, and was said an idea that it doesn't belong here.
However, in some cases philosophical questions can affect our daily life, they can dictate choices we make, and they can make us and people around us happier... or unhappier. And this is such exact case.
Ask yourself a question, what would you do, after you will find who you were, and would find that your parents are still alive?..
We, Caldari in general are rather utilitarian people. However, when talking about Achura, you should always keep in mind spiritual aspect as well. And in case of rural Achura this aspect might even become dominant.
From utilitarian point of view we, clones, use bodies and memories or our previous clones in order to preserve skills after their deaths. Skills and memories of my previous instances have allowed me to become a tool of efficient destruction of enemies, and their abilities are used in interests of the State even after their death.
From spiritual point of view though it might be very vexing to know that body and memories of your deceased relative are still used by someone to achieve some sort of task. And although these memories make us think that we are 'continuation' of their lives, we are already new lives. Returning to your parents to show them that you use body and memories of their long deceased daughter might be too much for them to bear.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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