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Austneal
Nero Fazione End of Life
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Posted - 2015.10.07 17:22:05 -
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La Rynx wrote:Wrong, that is absolutly what i had in mind. Ppl stating otherwise just do not look into the mirror.
Would you mind explaining how mercs who are deccing too many people at once would fall under:
Quote:players who prefer to refrain from PvP combat.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.10.07 18:40:22 -
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It very obviously does not apply, but in the depths of that poster's pit of intellectual dishonesty, they have to try and apply some negative label.
It's a fairly typical SJW tactic. They always project, without fail.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.10.07 20:01:17 -
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La Rynx wrote:Of course and if i put stabs on my travel fit i am avoiding PvP too. Been there done that. Yes, yes you are; however putting stabs on your travel fit means A: you're not turtled up, and B: If you've fitted stabs because you're decced you haven't removed yourself from the pool of targets.
Quote:If you want fights, go nullsec. Why? Hisec is just as much a PvP area as lowsec, nullsec and whspace
Quote:It is risk averse and pathetic to fight smaller, weaker entities, because you do not dare to do what you tell others to do. Except the smaller, weaker enemies generally outnumber the predators, both in the real world and Eve.
Quote:It is pathetic to pound on your chest when you are only kill caspules, exhumers and haulers. It is pathetic that some of the players behind those capsules, exhumers and haulers think that they should be safe from interference from others in a game where interfering with others is considered to be a cornerstone and fundamental aspect of the game.
Quote:It is PvP, but it is not elite. Compared what others do, it is just pathetic. At least you admit that it is actually PvP.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.10.07 21:02:18 -
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La Rynx wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote: Just out of curiosity, what opinion of mine are you referring to here?
Oh sorry you do not have an oppinion, you are just trolling? Sorry. Nah, I enjoy the discussions too much to troll (generally),
But I'm interested to know what opinion of mine on wardecs is it you were referring to that is disagreed on by a lot of people?
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Paul Pohl
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.10.08 01:10:27 -
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hi
I'd suggest that those corps involved in war should not have access to agents for PVE missions - the aggressors from the time of the dec and the defender from when the war starts |

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.10.08 01:21:55 -
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Paul Pohl wrote:hi
I'd suggest that those corps involved in war should not have access to agents for PVE missions - the aggressors from the time of the dec and the defender from when the war starts
Dude, even I think that's a bad idea. It would just make people dec dodge more, or just not log in.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.10.08 01:36:48 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Paul Pohl wrote:hi
I'd suggest that those corps involved in war should not have access to agents for PVE missions - the aggressors from the time of the dec and the defender from when the war starts Dude, even I think that's a bad idea. It would just make people dec dodge more, or just not log in. Yeah totally agree. Wardeccers are PvPers in general, not PvEers so removing their access to mission agents doesn't change their play one bit.
This would be a punitive measure against PvE based Corps, encouraging those characters to stay in or drop to an NPC Corp. probably not a great outcome.
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Paul Pohl
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.10.08 01:42:59 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Paul Pohl wrote:hi
I'd suggest that those corps involved in war should not have access to agents for PVE missions - the aggressors from the time of the dec and the defender from when the war starts Dude, even I think that's a bad idea. It would just make people dec dodge more, or just not log in.
dude? golly!
anywho...
the point is this - would you want to be part of a corp who was spamming wardecs if a) you actually had to fight the war and b) were deprived of the major source of income in high-sec?
clearly you wouldn't |

Paul Pohl
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.10.08 01:54:09 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Paul Pohl wrote:hi
I'd suggest that those corps involved in war should not have access to agents for PVE missions - the aggressors from the time of the dec and the defender from when the war starts Dude, even I think that's a bad idea. It would just make people dec dodge more, or just not log in. Yeah totally agree. Wardeccers are PvPers in general, not PvEers so removing their access to mission agents doesn't change their play one bit. This would be a punitive measure against PvE based Corps, encouraging those characters to stay in or drop to an NPC Corp. probably not a great outcome.
supposedly they stay in or drop out to NPC corps anyway
and you assume that the PVE corps is the defender
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.10.08 01:57:52 -
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Paul Pohl wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Paul Pohl wrote:hi
I'd suggest that those corps involved in war should not have access to agents for PVE missions - the aggressors from the time of the dec and the defender from when the war starts Dude, even I think that's a bad idea. It would just make people dec dodge more, or just not log in. Yeah totally agree. Wardeccers are PvPers in general, not PvEers so removing their access to mission agents doesn't change their play one bit. This would be a punitive measure against PvE based Corps, encouraging those characters to stay in or drop to an NPC Corp. probably not a great outcome. supposedly they stay in or drop out to NPC corps anyway and you assume that the PVE corps is the defender The stats show that far more was are declared by pvp/wardec corps than by PvE corps. Not opinion or assumption. Thats just fact.
Not everyone drops to NPC Corps, but this would be a change that certainly punishes PvE Corps while not affecting PvP Corps at all.
What would be the benefit of this change? Maybe I'm just missing something obvious.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.10.08 02:34:40 -
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It would literally just be another disincentive for "normal" highsec corps to use the war declaration mechanic. Wars by "normal" corps against their rivals are already exceedingly rare (largely because the ally system leaves them open to unilateral escalation from anyone, nearly instantly, for free).
It's not a change that would benefit anyone in any way. |

Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
678
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Posted - 2015.10.08 04:25:59 -
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Bads kill farming against worse bads in highsec. Learn to play the game of alts and never worry about wars again.
If you get decc'ed just switch characters for a week and laugh at them (on the decc'ed toon only of course). |

Paul Pohl
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.10.08 07:35:28 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Paul Pohl wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Paul Pohl wrote:hi
I'd suggest that those corps involved in war should not have access to agents for PVE missions - the aggressors from the time of the dec and the defender from when the war starts Dude, even I think that's a bad idea. It would just make people dec dodge more, or just not log in. Yeah totally agree. Wardeccers are PvPers in general, not PvEers so removing their access to mission agents doesn't change their play one bit. This would be a punitive measure against PvE based Corps, encouraging those characters to stay in or drop to an NPC Corp. probably not a great outcome. supposedly they stay in or drop out to NPC corps anyway and you assume that the PVE corps is the defender The stats show that far more was are declared by pvp/wardec corps than by PvE corps. Not opinion or assumption. Thats just fact. Not everyone drops to NPC Corps, but this would be a change that certainly punishes PvE Corps while not affecting PvP Corps at all. What would be the benefit of this change? Maybe I'm just missing something obvious.
the principle benefit is that it cuts off a source of income to those involved in wars in high-sec - unless things have changed radically since last I played 'pvp corps' (we'll assume they are the attacker) spend their time running missions while waiting for the defender to come out of station
it would also focus corps on fighting the war |

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
3352
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Posted - 2015.10.08 11:09:41 -
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Let's completely ignore that unless you are from bizarro world the highsec pvp community don't generally run missions at all.
Why would you want to remove a source of income for someone because they're at war? Exactly how would that improve gameplay for anyone? |

Syeed Ameer Ali
Evil Murder Society
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Posted - 2015.10.08 12:42:58 -
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Paul Pohl wrote: the principle benefit is that it cuts off a source of income to those involved in wars in high-sec - unless things have changed radically since last I played 'pvp corps' (we'll assume they are the attacker) spend their time running missions while waiting for the defender to come out of station
it would also focus corps on fighting the war
Either the last time you played was way before my time and things have indeed changed, or you just don't know what you're talking about. People who declare wars tend to do so specifically because they don't have any interest in shooting NPCs. About once every six months I hold my nose and run a few missions on my scout alt in hopes of someday getting access to a reasonable number of locator agents, but it is excruciatingly boring for me and I can only stand to do it for an hour or two. Mission running is not a common activity for wardec corps.
Banning missions in war would only hurt the defenders in the vast majority of cases. While this might be funny for a little while due to the forum tears it would inspire, it would also give wardecced carebears one less reason to undock, which seems counterproductive.
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