so whats your solution to this are you saying that people cant bring the right amount of ships to kill something within a given time? is efficiency actually a problem? how do you fix being efficient?

So you you bought it back, after selling it in 2006 to Shooq?
Oh and Mag's wasn't my first character, another was but I sold him.

You have a friend that scouts and webs you. A big part of defence, is never allowing the enemy a chance.
Then if you happen to be very very unlucky and do it wrong, you can use your friend as a warp point when being bumped. You can also bring more friends along and have them rep your ass, or ECM/shoot the -10 gankers when they show up. Or you can have friends shoot the bumper.

Either way, that's called defending yourself. But as with everything in Eve, nothing is guaranteed.

I have put forth an argument in which no one can defend themselves against a bumper and 40 catalysts. An argument which you cannot counter and now you claim there is no problem. GG you!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're not actually suggesting anything, are you ?

We all don't feel the need to sell our chars, I don't know who shooq is but you are clearly misinformed.

Having logis could be a valid counter but I am not familiar with them so how many logis would you need to rep 28k DPS?

Shooq offered 3.2 billion buyout to close the auction, you did 4 minutes later.
I just wondered when you bought it back, seeing as you claim to be the original owner and all.

It's not about tanking it all, it's about breaking their chance of a successful gank by changing the odds. They need to apply a set amount of damage before concord arrives, you just need to defer some of that.
Why I need to explain this to a 2004 player, is rather odd tbh.

yes i read this, there is no problem, its merely people being efficient to complete a task, its not rocket science

Not being able to defend your freighter against those 40 man fleets is the issue. i.e Game Mechanics.

Ahh indeed it was. My bad, I took the current rules and applied them retrospectively. Forgetting things were different back then. I was wrong, sorry.

I did answer your question, I'm not going to fill in the blanks here for you. You made a claim and have yet to back it up. I have given you more than one option.

Look you have a choice. You either deem your haul to be worth having friends to help, or you do it solo. That's your decision to make, but that does not mean the ability to defend yourself is lacking, or missing completely.
Eve has always been about choices, whether is be fittings or how many you bring to a fight. You don't always make the right one.

Why should one person be able to successfully defend themselves from a 40 man fleet? It would seem to me the game would be broken if that was possible.

You're right, the mechanics are crazy and you're right you can kill the bumper, but for that argument to be valid it means that every freighter needs to be escorted by a support fleet in high sec, which in itself is kinda pants on the head stupid.

I am not going to search for dev blogs or anything so I may be incorrect when i say what i'm about to say but i'm pretty sure when CCP released Freighters they didn't come with an exception that they would need to escorted everywhere in high sec (low and null sec is a different matter).

There are also plenty of examples of CCP letting player actions influence game play against intended design, (jet can mining for one) But freighter ganking has gone way past the line imo.

I have no problem with freighters being killed, I love it. But freighters should be able to get their corp or alliance to escort and pro actively protect them. You can make market hubs only accessible through low secs or make everyone be war decable, there are plenty of other ways to make freighters valid targets than the way it currently happening.

It's threads like these that make me happy certain emojis exist.

+well written follow up post

So please tell me how you would defend your freighter against a bumping mach and 40 catalysts? Cos If I am missing some fundamental I would like to know.

Ganking needs to stay.


But the Mechanics do need to be more balanced.

Ganking needs to stay.


But the Mechanics do need to be more balanced.

Was waiting for the just one more nerf.

Most of the responses in this thread are incredibly naive and simplistic.

One response is even hope for no bubbles in 0.0, i mean lol wtf!!?? srsly man put down the bong.

I was being optimistic and giving a theoretical break. You are screwed most likely yes. Try to be positive get called out for it. My usual jaded self I get called jaded and bitter. Can't win here really.


And its your recreational habits we have to wonder about really. 40 on 1....stuff dies. You are saying this is unfair to freighters. Please do tell, what ship is fairing any better here? In empire since this seems to be the focus.


40 ships have decided my kronos must die, it will die. In bastion even. And I actually run a real tank for defense out of bastion (not glass cannon rely on bastion effect tanking style).

I will even let you dual tank an orca. I was partial to shield tank mids and hull tank lows. Not easy to kill...but not invincible either.

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The point i'm making is that in null sec or low sec you would never ever put your freighter in harms way in the first place. If there is a 40 man gang camping your travel route then you send a friendly fleet to kill them. Once the way is clear then you move your freighter with scouts.

In HS you never ever put your freighter in harms way in the first place too. Why is that super magically different for HS in your mind? How do I have scouts again?