As the title states this is a suggestion for the removal of high sec ganking specifically looking at the current absurd situation that allows freighters to be ganked in high sec without the ability to defend yourself.

I am confused; when did CCP take away the ability for you to defend yourself?

If you want to protect your assets, you are suppose to provide for your own defense: that is a core tenet of this game. The developers of this game have made this crystal clear.

Freighters are giant loot pinatas that are very good at carrying a large amount of cargo, and quite poor at defending themselves. If you insist on using them, you probably should bring a defense fleet to protect them. If you don't want (or can't) defend them, maybe you should consider using an alternative hauler to carry your goods, one that is more adept at defending itself.

So, -1.

Concord is a deterrent only they are not there to protect you from people[/b]
A: Things change. Geddons used to be able to fit 8 heat sinks, Domis used to have 15 heavy drones, Concord used to be a deterrent, See how easy it is to change things.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're not actually suggesting anything, are you ?

As the title states this is a suggestion for the removal of high sec ganking specifically looking at the current absurd situation that allows freighters to be ganked in high sec without the ability to defend yourself.

It seems both you and falcon are confused. Concord is not a deterrent in the same way the police are in real life. Because if you carjack someone in real life you got jail for many months of your life. In Eve you are wanted for 5 minutes then the police just let get back to your criminal. So bad analogies are bad.

The only form of defence you have is if you web your freighter into warp before you get bumped and ganked. If you believe there is any other form of defence then you are mistaken.

And what exactly do mean by if I insist on using them?? You mean a ship designed by CCP for carrying massive amounts of cargo? That kind of insist?

You can kill the bumper.

Whilst I do think the mechanics are pants on head stupid, it's very necessary for the ecosystem.

Of course there are other forms of defense. Bumpers can be ganked. Freighters can be remote repaired. Gank ships can be ECMed or shot with lasers. CCP Falcon confirmed that you are suppose to bring said defenses.

Eve is a game about tradeoffs. No ship or fit is good at everything. Freighters are very good at hauling, but the cost of that is your are vulnerable to gankers and bumpers. You are asking CCP to change the game to make freighters not only the best ship for cargo capacity, but now the only ship in the game immune to attack in highsec. Why would anyone fly anything else?

If you want the benefits of being able to carry a lot, they you have to accept and mitigate the risk someone will gank you. That is the tradeoff for using freighters in the game. There are haulers, like the DSTs, that are immune to bumping and highly resistant to ganking. The tradeoff for that? Reduced cargo capacity.

Choose the tool that is best for your hauling needs. Do not come here and beg CCP to make your ship do everything so you get the best of both worlds all the time. You know, actually play the game?

This is the part where you are not going to like my argument. I am asking for every ship to not be attackable in high sec unless you have a war. There are plenty of places in eve for non consensual pvp (wh space, null and low sec AND high sec if you have a war active). If you want to kill people in high sec declare war.

I'm just using freighters as an example.

Bumpers can be ganked. Freighters can be remote repaired. Gank ships can be ECMed or shot with lasers.

The video i posted shows 40 catalysts killing a freighter in less than 30 seconds. None of things you posted will be able to stop that from happening in that time frame.

It's a capital....Go ask and non-high sec dweller the life expectancy of an unescorted capital....

Freighters didn't come with an exception that they would need to escorted everywhere in high sec (low and null sec is a different matter).

You mean people have gathered together, in an MMO, their numbers have overwhelmed a solo pilot and you're surprised about this?

You really should learn to read before you post things that make you look like a total idiot.

Not in the slightest. I'm pretty sure I never said player behaviour is the problem

To be fair he's demonstrated a number of problems, just none related to the topic at hand

So far, you've failed to show any problem.

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I have put forth an argument in which no one can defend themselves against a bumper and 40 catalysts. An argument which you cannot counter and now you claim there is no problem. GG you!

I have to ask, when did you buy that character?

I have put forth an argument in which no one can defend themselves against a bumper and 40 catalysts. An argument which you cannot counter and now you claim there is no problem. GG you!

Mag's my friend I created this char 3 months before you did and almost a full year before you joined MASS. And probably like you, I have done it all. High sec ganked, been ganked, scammed (never been scammed), Pirated, killed BOB haulers in delve, FC'ed. I have done the lot.


So please tell me how you would defend your freighter against a bumping mach and 40 catalysts? Cos If I am missing some fundamental I would like to know.