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Rocke Man	Posted - 2006.12.23 02:12:00 - [1] This ship looks nice, and seems pretty good to begin with. After flying it a while you realize that its not nearly as good as it seems. Problem 1: It has MAJOR powergrid issues, which means that there is no way of fitting neutrons. You cannot fit a dual acco tank and 8 neutrons with 2x powergrid rigs, which equal 2 reactor control units. Now, the Rokh however can fit 8 neutrons and a VERY good tank, it has slightly less dps than the hyperion, but tanks the hyperion long enough to kill it before it gets through the rokhs shields. Not to mention the optimal range bonus which makes the rokh being able to blast at 30km range. Why is a caldari railboat more usefull as a blasterboat than a ship made to be a blasterboat? Problem 2:The lack of low slots and an extra med slots that is quite useless compared to an extra low slots. 6 low slots just isnt enough If you want to tank decently without decreasing your damage alot. If you dont have rigs, you have to fit a reactor control in order to fit t2 reps and 8 ions. So if you dont want to go for the reactor control youll have to do with accomodation reps. Lows should be something like this: 2x accomodation armor reps, 1dmg control, 1magnetic stab, 1 xplosive hardener and 1 thermal hardener, but then again your resistances are around 60% for all types exept 40% for kinetic, and you only have 1 dmg mod, now if you put 2 dmg mods that decreases your resistances alot more. The Rokh can have 3x dmg mods and resistances of over 75% for each dmg type. Now thats just wrong. And the 5th medslot is almost useless, 4 is all you need. You can fit an extra webber or a painter but its simply useless compared to an extra low slot. Conclusion: Rokh > hyperion for every situation CCP please add 1000pg and change the med slot for a low slot plz Any ideas and comments are welcome.
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2006.12.23 02:24:00 - [2] Originally by: Rocke Man Any ideas and comments are welcome. Rails: Rokh > Megathron > Hyperion Blasters: Rokh > Megathron > Hyperion Hyperion isn't worth its price tag atm, stick with a Mega or Rokh.
Wadaiko Gallente MisFunk Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.23 02:35:00 - [3] Originally by: Azerrad InExile Blasters: Rokh > Megathron > Hyperion I would like to see if you to give me a Rokh blaster setup that would be better then any Megathron blaster setup _________________________
Grimpak Gallente Twisted Attitude	Posted - 2006.12.23 02:41:00 - [4] Originally by: Azerrad InExile Originally by: Rocke Man Any ideas and comments are welcome. Rails: Rokh > Megathron > Hyperion Blasters: Rokh > Megathron > Hyperion Hyperion isn't worth its price tag atm, stick with a Mega or Rokh. actually it's more Rohk > megathron = hyperion on both, simply because the hyperion is no better than the megathron nor worse. it simple does the job in a diferent way. well at least with blasters that is. ------- Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
Kerosene Caldari Fun Inc Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.23 03:10:00 - [5] You don't HAVE to fit the biggest baddest guns. A very simple formula for pvp is Your tank + Your damage > His tank + His damage = win You fit a monster tank and fit nos to reduce his tank and damage. Win. I've been pulling crazy stuff in my hyperion. But if I want damage then I'll dig out the mega. __ Originally by: Blacklight on BoB Just to be sure everyone is clear... We use spies. We listen to your TS. We feed you false intel. We have no qualms about it whatsoever..
Rocke Man	Posted - 2006.12.23 03:26:00 - [6] thats not the point, the point is that this ship has nothing over the rokh or the mega as a blasterboat.
LeMoose The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.23 03:31:00 - [7] Originally by: Wadaiko Originally by: Azerrad InExile Blasters: Rokh > Megathron > Hyperion I would like to see if you to give me a Rokh blaster setup that would be better then any Megathron blaster setup sure. 8x neutrons t2 xl sb t2 t2 amp t2 em 2x t2 invuls or if solo one dis 1x heavy cap injector 3x magstabs t2 1x dmg control t2 1x ts/db pdu t2 bring void and null, w/null hit to 30km, and have 2x heavy web drones. pwnzor.
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.23 03:53:00 - [8] Originally by: Rocke Man Any ideas and comments are welcome. You can get 8 Neutrons on fine with decent skills. As for the dual reppers, do you need them? The ship has a built in bonus to rep amount, and you can build +Rep Amount rigs fairly easily. (If you woke up breathing today, CONGRATULATIONS!, you get another chance!)
mallina Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.12.23 04:19:00 - [9] 8x Ion Blaster II hyperion still outdamages an 8x Neutron II Rohk by quite a bit, and still has a very strong tank yes, in a slugfest where both sides start at 10k where nobody warps (ie: SiSi) the Rohk will have an advantage this is because: the Rohk is a much heavier battleship. It is MUCH slower, not only does it have 15-20% less base speed, but a good 15-20% more MASS also, meaning the hyperion is around 40% faster with speed mods fitted. in PVP, especially in 0.0 - speed can be everything. also: the Rohk uses MEDslots to tank, not lowslots so it cant tackle+tank effectively at the same time and you can plain forget about the ever-so-vital MWD/Tackle/Injector pvp combo if you want a tank worth anything Hyperion is fine. yes you can argue its not much different from the Megathron and brings nothing new to Gallente battleships, but teh same can be said for the Abaddon over the Geddon ----------- vids: Terrorseries Turbulance
Alkeena Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.12.23 04:20:00 - [10] Edited by: Alkeena on 23/12/2006 04:22:54 Deleted, I'll let you kids figure it out on your own =) Needless to say, I like killing blaster rokh's in my mega =D
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.23 04:28:00 - [11] Originally by: mallina yes you can argue its not much different from the Megathron and brings nothing new to Gallente battleships, but teh same can be said for the Abaddon over the Geddon Yes. The same can be said for the Abaddon. The same thing can be said for the Maelstrom. And we're saying it. We don't like it. And we're probably not going to stop saying it. The Caldari got a unique ship. That's GOOD. I don't want that uniqueness taken away. I'd just like to see some uniqueness bestowed upon Amarr, Minmatar, and Gallente. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
DrEiak Amarr IONSTAR Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.23 06:46:00 - [12] Edited by: DrEiak on 23/12/2006 06:49:52 there is a simple reason for this, its called devs luv caldari, and hate amarr/minmataar. So I guess the only real solution to game ballence is train caldari, this is the cruel truth that I have come to grips with, however, I still am dedicated to my race, and I keep telling myself that the future may bring some justice to my proud race. Yes I agree though, of all the new battleships the rokh is the only one i was not looking forward to existing. My suggestion is just deal with it by fitting your ship accordingly, in the end no matter whos ship is superior in design they are not INVINCIBLE, and that tends to be focused in the EW area. If yo uwant to kill rokhs, sensor dampenors/tracking disruptors are probably a good start, especially considering most rokhs will be shield tanked. You might seek solace in the fact that you have a kickass battleship called the domi, and its also your cheapest battleship. I am pretty sure a domi can down a rokh assuming the rokh is a blasterboat and not sniping. i agree with that speed comment as well; If your in solo battles caldari have to drop their tank in favor of EW, I would have to say speed is one of the most important factors for solo PvP/small gangs.
Dreez Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.23 07:25:00 - [13] I fly Megathrons only, i¦ve tested Hyperion and im not impressed one bit. There is nothing the Mega cant do which the Hyperion can. Sure, the Hype got 7.5% repbonus and repairs 2200 armor with dual LAR-II tank every 11:th or so second. But the Megathron got 1 more lowslot for 1 additional hardener / plate. But the Mega got a free 25%extra tracking which does alot for blasters since they cant track worth a crap. (i get alot of "barely missed" with electrons even). And the thought of ANY battleships still able to outtank and outDPS a blasterthron after all this time, still makes me very angry. Imo, we need a Dev that actually does more then fly Caldari when playing EvE. We¦re talking about a ship which is THE most useless ship in the game with its current state (blobwars ftl). It has an effective range of 10km, yes i know Null > 25km. So why cant these damned ships get to do their job the best ?, only seem fair to me. But when you release ships like the Maelstrom, which can kill a Blasterthron or Hyperion without losing shields, i¦d say that whichever Dev decided it was a good idTa, needs to be replaced, along with the shipdesign. What the Devs need to do is make constant 1on1 with these ships in closerange scenarios and see for themselves what the situation is like. Sure... i¦ve killed my fair share of Ravens, but concidering how destructive our turrets are suppose to be, i¦d say it take to long time. And please, dont go "ganksetup > all". Because you¦re not suppose to have to setup for gank to be able to kill a ship. And FYI, ganksetup dont always > others. I¦ve seen torpravens melt ganksetups with t2 torps and injectors. Bob farted, ASCN burped & then there was a nodecrash.
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2006.12.23 11:18:00 - [14] Ok sorry if i sound blunt but some of you ppl have no clue at all. ppl saying the mega does the same job as the hyperion is frickin dumb. have any of you actually tested a dual large II rep tank on the hyp. it's awesome and tanks stupid amounts of dps. You can actually quite easily tank gate guns with only 1 rep and stay at 100% armour and use the 2nd rep to tank ur opponent. very fun ship Yes the rokh is better for dps but it can't solo effectively. Shield tanking while firing neutrons is very cap intensive for a start and a nos domi will screw you if he's got a good tank. Also you can't tackle for ****. most ppl are using 2 web drones which easily get popped by any ship with drones and then u lose ur target. also if u fit scram, injector and mwd or ab then u only got 3 slots for tanking and no eccm or sensor booster or anything. I personally have both and love both. hyp for solo, rokh for group in my opinion. DE
Radhe	Posted - 2006.12.23 11:39:00 - [15] don`t u guys get it....new bs are not designed for me in rokh or hyperyon or abbadon to kill everything....all by your self..... i got an rokh and a hyperyon...and i` tell u they bouth suck solo...big time.......rokh fire 250 km....u fire 2 shots target warp away......hyperyon u get blown up by an blasterthron or tempest.... The ideea for the new ship was to be flown in gangs ,fleets....thats the f**king whole ideeea...rokh description for exemple its says right there is a f***ing fleet bs...why every body want to make her an stupid solo vessel .....thats for all the tier 3 bs.....u want to fly solo u got plenty of ships ex t2 ships...get an deimos or an cerberus and u got dmg tank speed... Hyperyon is not doing dmg more than mega....but its better in fleets or gangs and some one said cladari gets a unique ship...not unique ship...just a new approach...an rail boat....so if gallente get instead of hyperion an missile boat is that unique... and lets be serious.....mega can fit 7 neutrons with 2 rcu(that means less dmg or less tank)....and hyperyon get 8 neutrons without rcu and plus get dmg and some tank and in that 5 med slot fit an tracking disruptor and mega is so doomed... AND tier 3 bs are the "sitting duck"(primary target) of a fleet, tier 3 bs`s get shield rezistence,armpour rep amount,shield boosetr increase ...so they can absorb dmg whyle the other ships kills them ex take 3 heavy tanked hyperions vs the mighty blasterthron to see who will win.... cause beside that gyperyon gets allmost double armour it gates the same dmg as mega try 3 vs 3 to see who s winning...i allready know
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2006.12.23 12:06:00 - [16] lmao at the last post. do you even play eve? u say if u want a solo ship try a deimos? the hyperion is actually a very good solo ship and 1 of the best i'd say with a good slot layout. god dmg potential and an awesome tank. any hyperion pilot that loses to a mega was simply outdone. the only thing the mega has over the hyp is tracking and bigger drones. the hyp can tank way more dps and has the very useful extra mid which is great for solo for sensor booster or eccm. and 3 megas v 3 hyperions? the hyperions should win everytime. DE
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.23 12:24:00 - [17] Edited by: Kunming on 23/12/2006 12:24:07 I really hate the rep bonus on the Hyperion, Tux **** us, blaster pilots, over, the rep bonus was not supposed to be a permanent thing and I would prefer a mass reduction or falloff bonus any time. The rep bonus forces the ship to become an acive armor tanker or give up on the bonus... Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.**
Jimmycs83 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.12.23 14:40:00 - [18] Well we have alot of people who like to fly blasterships in my corp ... not seeing any of them change over to using a hyperion yet tho even tho most of us have bought one and tried it in combat a couple of times. The reason none of us are using one is pretty simple - if i want a ship for small gangs ill use something smaller and faster or cheaper than a bs that can get the job done almost as well like an eos/astarte or maybe a HAC or even myrmiddon and if im going into a large gang fight then ill just stick with a cheaper and much more effective blasterthron with Neutron Blaster IIs + Null L or e-war domi. Basically it has no real purpose other than bieng an ok npcing ship. if ccp really want to make a tanking ship then give us some decent amount of lows to tank with. If they wanted a blastership then pls remove the rep bonus and give us something blaster orientated (ie something for cap or speed or dmg).
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2006.12.23 15:06:00 - [19] Originally by: Jimmycs83 Well we have alot of people who like to fly blasterships in my corp ... not seeing any of them change over to using a hyperion yet tho even tho most of us have bought one and tried it in combat a couple of times. The reason none of us are using one is pretty simple - if i want a ship for small gangs ill use something smaller and faster or cheaper than a bs that can get the job done almost as well like an eos/astarte or maybe a HAC or even myrmiddon and if im going into a large gang fight then ill just stick with a cheaper and much more effective blasterthron with Neutron Blaster IIs + Null L or e-war domi. Basically it has no real purpose other than bieng an ok npcing ship. if ccp really want to make a tanking ship then give us some decent amount of lows to tank with. If they wanted a blastership then pls remove the rep bonus and give us something blaster orientated (ie something for cap or speed or dmg). some very good points there but what about if you want to solo? DE
Def Antares	Posted - 2006.12.23 15:27:00 - [20] Originally by: LeMoose Originally by: Wadaiko Originally by: Azerrad InExile Blasters: Rokh > Megathron > Hyperion I would like to see if you to give me a Rokh blaster setup that would be better then any Megathron blaster setup sure. 8x neutrons t2 xl sb t2 t2 amp t2 em 2x t2 invuls or if solo one dis 1x heavy cap injector 3x magstabs t2 1x dmg control t2 1x ts/db pdu t2 bring void and null, w/null hit to 30km, and have 2x heavy web drones. pwnzor. no you wont hit at 30 km with tracking comps you can get to 20 km
Rocke Man	Posted - 2006.12.23 16:01:00 - [21] def, we tested it out, it beats the hyperion easy.
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2006.12.23 16:02:00 - [22] Originally by: Def Antares Originally by: LeMoose Originally by: Wadaiko Originally by: Azerrad InExile Blasters: Rokh > Megathron > Hyperion I would like to see if you to give me a Rokh blaster setup that would be better then any Megathron blaster setup sure. 8x neutrons t2 xl sb t2 t2 amp t2 em 2x t2 invuls or if solo one dis 1x heavy cap injector 3x magstabs t2 1x dmg control t2 1x ts/db pdu t2 bring void and null, w/null hit to 30km, and have 2x heavy web drones. pwnzor. no you wont hit at 30 km with tracking comps you can get to 20 km he's talking about with the falloff i'm guessing which yes with null u will hit out to 30km just not very well DE
Horza Otho Minmatar Silver Star Federation Kurai Komichi	Posted - 2006.12.23 17:37:00 - [23] Stop being an idiot. I get loads of damage AND an awesome tank in my Hype. 1800 HP repped per LAR much? Thinking > typeing > posting should be the forum rules. --- Eris Discordia is miiiiiine
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2006.12.23 18:12:00 - [24] Originally by: Horza Otho Stop being an idiot. I get loads of damage AND an awesome tank in my Hype. 1800 HP repped per LAR much? Thinking > typeing > posting should be the forum rules. lol er not quite mate. with b5 it's 1100 per II rep. unless ur talking about centus x one's. not sure what that works out at but don't think it's that even with those. but u are right. good dmg and awesome tank DE
Rocke Man	Posted - 2006.12.23 18:24:00 - [25] horza, I agree, that should be the rule. So please keep this thread clean of your smack and dumbness.
Sadayiel Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.23 18:28:00 - [26] Edited by: Sadayiel on 23/12/2006 18:29:40 The hyperion it's bad ass and with proper rigs it's incredible. i suggest some things: 1st: check info there is ton of ppl whinning about the no track thing FYI i checked that a track comp II, makes your blaster track as good as in mega with bs lvl 4 2nd: It's a blaster STOP WHINNING about 7low slow for tank, Hype it's blastership less tank, that's why you need to drop plate and dmg control (remember the extra hp) and can fit a 2nd repper for bonus advantage. 3rd: Drone bay it's perfect even when the 125m3 would be great, the 100m3 make you think about drone usage (remember the 2nd weapon type gallent) and this make the hype just different. i even considered drop the 2nd repper and fit a dmg control instead. But yes some extra pgrid to at least 8x ions tech 2 will be sooo great. Every man know he's going to die, but no one believes that's going to happen

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