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Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 1020	Posted - 2015.10.01 17:52:17 - [1] - Quote Good Evening. Self Flagellation has, for some reason, become a topic of discussion lately. Where people, believing themselves to be righteous, whip themselves with a variety of implements, in some kind of demonstration of their faith. This practice should be at the very least, frowned upon, if not condemned outright. Consider if you will, the Scriptures. The Book of Missions. It is Written: "Which test reveals more of the soul, the test that a man will take to prove his faith, or the test that finds the man who believed his faith already proven?" Thus, we can see, that self-flagellation, being a test that a man, or indeed, a woman, for Righteousness is not reserved for either gender, or bloodline for that matter, since All are Welcome to be Chosen, will undertake to prove his, or her, Faith, only reveals a certain amount of the soul. Thusly, a self-flagellant may be tempted to believe their faith already proven, by virtue of having self flagellated. But such a belief is Wrong ! Wrong, I say ! For, it is not through self-flagellation that a person proves their faith. No! It is from being flagellated by Someone Else ! A person may flagellate themselves with a length of rope, and believe themselves to be proving their Faith, but, as is Written, such action does not reveal much of the soul. Instead, that person should have someone else flagellate them, without mercy or restraint. Only then, would that person truly be revealing their soul. Thusly, self-flagellation, should be frowned upon, according to Scripture. It is Written. And here endeth the Lesson. Go with God. Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Jaret Victorian Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 287	Posted - 2015.10.01 18:06:19 - [2] - Quote Valerie Valate wrote: A person may flagellate themselves with a length of rope, and believe themselves to be proving their Faith, but, as is Written, such action does not reveal much of the soul. Instead, that person should have someone else flagellate them, without mercy or restraint. Only then, would that person truly be revealing their soul. See, people, masochism is bad. If I were to make a joke here, I would be stuck in my office for a long time writing an essay on "Political correctness and me." Don't be me, do good stuff and let others satisfy your lust for self-harming, I mean. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Follow us on GalNet! When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
Goldfinch Order of Jamyl 425	Posted - 2015.10.01 19:16:15 - [3] - Quote Jaret Victorian wrote: See, people, masochism is bad. Having not laid judgment on anything you've done, or are into, we are not sure why you wouldn't extend us the same courtesy? \J/ veiled and bound my origin story (on R109)
Shaddam Daphiti Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 98	Posted - 2015.10.01 19:59:39 - [4] - Quote Your pride has led you to err here. You fail to draw distinction between self flagellation for correction and mastery of the flesh and PUBLIC self flagellation, which is vanity and boastfulness. My order denounces such public displays, our scars are between ourselves and God and for no other eyes. Quote: Thusly, a self-flagellant may be tempted to believe their faith already proven, by virtue of having self flagellated. Any who believe thusly have missed the point of the act. Quote: No! It is from being flagellated by Someone Else ! There is a time and place for this, such as when a slave is errant of spirit and must be corrected, mediated with mercy, by his Holder. My faith does not require proof to men of it's integrity. it is only to God that I owe such proof. That I punish the flesh to correct it's base and sinful impulses is nether test nor testament of such faith. It is correction, as a parent to a child. of course I would expect such gross misunderstanding from a blood cultest.
Alizebeth Amalath Order of Jamyl 304	Posted - 2015.10.01 20:21:37 - [5] - Quote For flagellants, self-flagellation is not a test of faith. It is a form of devotion. Self-flagellation is thus akin to nightly prayers or going to church.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 5647	Posted - 2015.10.01 20:40:27 - [6] - Quote Alizebeth Amalath wrote: For flagellants, self-flagellation is not a test of faith. It is a form of devotion. Self-flagellation is thus akin to nightly prayers or going to church. Maybe try meditation? Get a nice cup of tea, sit cross-legged at the peak of a mountain and let the winds flay the weakness from you. "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Foley Aberas Jones Huogikku Corporation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 527	Posted - 2015.10.01 20:40:44 - [7] - Quote Alizebeth Amalath wrote: For flagellants, self-flagellation is not a test of faith. It is a form of devotion. Self-flagellation is thus akin to nightly prayers or going to church. That or its a fetish.....
Deitra Vess Hounds of War. Hashashin Cartel 666	Posted - 2015.10.01 20:46:46 - [8] - Quote just........ wow.... Amarr is messed up. It is written (by me).
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 514	Posted - 2015.10.01 21:49:03 - [9] - Quote Do not flagellate yourself. Flagellate slaves. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Aria Jenneth Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 1612	Posted - 2015.10.01 21:58:29 - [10] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Do not flagellate yourself. Flagellate slaves. Amen. Amarr Victor. "Also, bwahahaha."

Ashlar Vellum PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 212	Posted - 2015.10.01 22:30:00 - [11] - Quote It is a sad day when sabik satire makes more sense and sounds more sane than things coming from capsuleers who claim to be loyalists.
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 218	Posted - 2015.10.01 22:36:16 - [12] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: Nauplius wrote: Do not flagellate yourself. Flagellate slaves. Amen. Amarr Victor. "Also, bwahahaha." If you have nothing constructive to say then shush! To add to the discussion, Nauplius, you can flagellate my slaves any time you want. Okay, sweety? Don't listen to the unrighteous on these here forums.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 5647	Posted - 2015.10.01 22:36:38 - [13] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: just........ wow.... Amarr is messed up. It is written (by me), My ancestors became enslaved by a bunch of perverts...... but how? Were they always this way? No wonder the Jovians made short work of you. Amen. To be honest, a lot of religions have practices that result in ecstatic visions caused by drugs. In this case, endorphines. "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Deitra Vess Hounds of War. Hashashin Cartel 666	Posted - 2015.10.01 23:16:28 - [14] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: To be honest, a lot of religions have practices that result in ecstatic visions caused by drugs. In this case, endorphines. I would be lying if I said I didn't agree with you on that point. My only issue with this is........ Well, using drugs for a vision quest or to commune with your ancestors is one thing, maiming yourself to possibly glorify some God who orders you to maim others, it doesn't make sense to me. Their God wants them to hinder themselves from doing this work he commands? If your commanding officer ordered you to march 10 kilometers, would you shoot yourself in the foot because your Jack boot wasn't polished the night before and you thought it would please him to see you suffer for your own misgivings?
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1479	Posted - 2015.10.01 23:54:14 - [15] - Quote Valerie Valate wrote: Self Flagellation has, for some reason, become a topic of discussion lately.. Possibly because it was an entry tin the 'academic' category of the New Eden Writing Contest. For which, you're one of the judges. Did you, I dunno, miss that part of it? Or the part where even the Matari haven't been trashing the guy because it's a contest entry?
Shaddam Daphiti Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 99	Posted - 2015.10.02 00:03:59 - [16] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Valerie Valate wrote: Self Flagellation has, for some reason, become a topic of discussion lately.. Possibly because it was an entry tin the 'academic' category of the New Eden Writing Contest. For which, you're one of the judges. Did you, I dunno, miss that part of it? Or the part where even the Matari haven't been trashing the guy because it's a contest entry? it's also fairly clear that she didn't in fact read the essay at all... within it I make it plain the reasons and intent of such a practice which is nothing like what she claims here.
Jaret Victorian Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 287	Posted - 2015.10.02 00:25:17 - [17] - Quote Goldfinch wrote: Jaret Victorian wrote: See, people, masochism is bad. Having not laid judgment on anything you've done, or are into, we are not sure why you wouldn't extend us the same courtesy? What, Amarr can reclaim anyone, but I can't reclaim some puny satire on Galnets? And please, feel free to lay your judgement all over my doings. I like to be in the spotlight. Shaddam Daphiti wrote: it's also fairly clear that she didn't in fact read the essay at all... within it I make it plain the reasons and intent of such a practice which is nothing like what she claims here, nor is it in any ways like the sick sexual fantasies imagined by others in this same thread. Are you uncomfortable? I am sorry for violating your imagination. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Follow us on GalNet! When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
Tyrel Toov Delusions of Granduer SpaceMonkey's Alliance 632	Posted - 2015.10.02 00:28:55 - [18] - Quote Anyanka Funk wrote: Nauplius, you can flagellate my slaves any time you want. Okay, sweety? Oh, god.... the connotations. Somebody pass the brain bleach. I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Foley Aberas Jones Huogikku Corporation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 530	Posted - 2015.10.02 00:56:02 - [19] - Quote Tyrel Toov wrote: Anyanka Funk wrote: Nauplius, you can flagellate my slaves any time you want. Okay, sweety? Oh, god.... the connotations. Somebody pass the brain bleach. Yo Yo Yo Huogikku corporation brand bleach is the best on the market, no denying the stain removal power its got And you are god damn right im peddling my crop's goods in your thread
Lunarisse Aspenstar Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 505	Posted - 2015.10.02 00:56:41 - [20] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Valerie Valate wrote: Self Flagellation has, for some reason, become a topic of discussion lately.. Possibly because it was an entry tin the 'academic' category of the New Eden Writing Contest. For which, you're one of the judges. Did you, I dunno, miss that part of it? Or the part where even the Matari haven't been trashing the guy because it's a contest entry? Empress (Bless her Ascended Soul), Miss Valate is not one of the judges. Over... my... dead.. body!

Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 735	Posted - 2015.10.02 01:11:57 - [21] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: just........ wow.... Amarr is messed up. It is written (by me), My ancestors became enslaved by a bunch of perverts...... but how? Were they always this way? No wonder the Jovians made short work of you. Amen. To be honest, a lot of religions have practices that result in ecstatic visions caused by drugs. In this case, endorphines. I can attest to the fact that plants with mind-altering properties are used in the spirit quest rituals of the Sebiestor tribe. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1479	Posted - 2015.10.02 02:04:47 - [22] - Quote Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote: Empress (Bless her Ascended Soul), Miss Valate is not one of the judges. Over... my... dead.. body! Quite right. Somehow, I completely misidentified the original poster. My apologies.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1479	Posted - 2015.10.02 02:07:56 - [23] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: I can attest to the fact that plants with mind-altering properties are used in the spirit quest rituals of the Sebiestor tribe. Note the difference between spiritual and recreational use. Hordenine also has a number of actual medicinal uses, as well.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 735	Posted - 2015.10.02 02:23:01 - [24] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: I can attest to the fact that plants with mind-altering properties are used in the spirit quest rituals of the Sebiestor tribe. Note the difference between spiritual and recreational use. Hordenine also has a number of actual medicinal uses, as well. All poison is medicine with the right dosage. Besides, the original statement was that 'a lot of religions have practices that result in ecstatic visions caused by drugs'. This is true in our case, though it's not always ecstatic. Half the time it's actually pretty damn scary and/or depressing. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Goldfinch Order of Jamyl 426	Posted - 2015.10.02 05:13:48 - [25] - Quote Truly shocking that adults have fetishes. Perhaps this sort of reaction isn't all that surprising when seeing the myriad children in thread who have to label anything they don't understand as a fetish. To Amarr's credit.. as prudes, at least we are self aware. \J/ veiled and bound my origin story (on R109)
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 1027	Posted - 2015.10.02 05:37:59 - [26] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote: Empress (Bless her Ascended Soul), Miss Valate is not one of the judges. Over... my... dead.. body! Quite right. Somehow, I completely misidentified the original poster. My apologies. All Amarr look the same. Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1424	Posted - 2015.10.02 07:58:01 - [27] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Alizebeth Amalath wrote: For flagellants, self-flagellation is not a test of faith. It is a form of devotion. Self-flagellation is thus akin to nightly prayers or going to church. Maybe try meditation? Get a nice cup of tea, sit cross-legged at the peak of a mountain and let the winds flay the weakness from you. That sounds a lot less... medieval to me...
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 1031	Posted - 2015.10.02 14:09:45 - [28] - Quote Shaddam Daphiti wrote: Your pride has led you to err here. You fail to draw distinction between self flagellation for correction and mastery of the flesh and PUBLIC self flagellation, which is vanity and boastfulness. No, that distinction is not important. You see, self-flagellation, is the same as attempting to tickle yourself. It can't be done, because the brain recognises it as being done by you. A self-flagellator will always hold back, because their brain tells them "ouch, that hurt, stop it". Whereas, when the lasher and the lashed are two different people, then the lasher is not subject to the lashed's restrictions on maximum effort used in the lashing. Thusly, self-flagellation would only allow mastering of the flesh to the limit that the self-flagellator is willing to inflict on themselves, their brain stops them. And true mastery of the flesh, if such a concept does indeed exist, is only possible when someone is pushed beyond their brain's limits, by an external force. So, I disagree with your statement. Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1482	Posted - 2015.10.02 15:37:13 - [29] - Quote Valerie Valate wrote: You see, self-flagellation, is the same as attempting to tickle yourself. It can't be done, because the brain recognises it as being done by you. A self-flagellator will always hold back, because their brain tells them "ouch, that hurt, stop it". Never met anyone with a fair amount of self-loathing, I take it?
Aria Jenneth Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 1616	Posted - 2015.10.02 15:47:32 - [30] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Valerie Valate wrote: You see, self-flagellation, is the same as attempting to tickle yourself. It can't be done, because the brain recognises it as being done by you. A self-flagellator will always hold back, because their brain tells them "ouch, that hurt, stop it". Never met anyone with a fair amount of self-loathing, I take it? Nor masochism. ... which is more about testing one's limits than about the pain, I gather. Seeing how much you can take. That strikes me as being similarly in tune with a flagellant's beliefs and actions. Sort of like having a little imp (or sefrim? What do you call a small sefrim? Is there supposed to be such a thing?) on your shoulder, whispering, "Sure it hurts, but it's not unbearable. Come on! You can still stand it; clearly you haven't suffered enough!"



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