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Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.03 14:40:48 -
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Stitch Kaneland wrote:I solo PvP regularly with larger ships, as i was tired of the frigate/small ship meta. Your friend here is transversal, that is how big guns track small targets. You don't have enough of it, An AB cruiser/BS is in some cases not fast enough to leave a frigate behind. Enabling them to orbit you and "outtrack" your guns through signature resolution, not necessarily tracking.
I have killed succubus, worms, just about every AF and T3D with a tornado and other BC's and BS. You MUST be faster than your frigate enemies with an AB, or have a neut to turn off their props so you are faster than them with an AB. The fact you're using ships that can't support a neut is your first issue. Brawling without a neut is risky, and can only be considered if you have the speed to outrun frigates when scrammed/webbed.
For things like a BS, you need MJD. No question. If you really want to solo PvP with BC's and BS, an MJD is pretty much mandatory. Neuts, webs, drones, MJD and sometimes 100mn cruiser/BC fits is the way to escape/kill frigs. Damped down by a maulus/kite gang? MJD out. Garmur got you pointed at 70km? MJD out. You can't just seem to hit that 1 frig that is holding you for friends? MJD out. That 1 frig has a scram? Neut him out while aligned and wait for tackle to drop and warp away.
There are ways to do it, but you need to pick the right ship for the job. Dropping 400m in faction mods on a ship not designed for it and then being agitated on the forums is not the way to do it.
Ya, I think I finally have a fit that may work. I think im gonna try snakes and an AB. You have a really good point with being able to be faster then the ab frigates.
You are the only person who has given me relevant advice besides "pick a new ship". What is your advice about making the ship capable of being faster with an AB? You think double web with AB and snakes will do it? |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16714
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Posted - 2015.10.03 17:07:51 -
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Amanda Guid wrote:
Ya, I think I finally have a fit that may work. I think im gonna try snakes and an AB. You have a really good point with being able to be faster then the ab frigates.
You are the only person who has given me relevant advice besides "pick a new ship". What is your advice about making the ship capable of being faster with an AB? You think double web with AB and snakes will do it?
Your weapons choice and flying tactics are of far greater concern, as said bigger is not better and the same is true of turrets.
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2015.10.03 17:09:22 -
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Waste of breath tbh. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25215
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Posted - 2015.10.03 17:38:20 -
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Amanda Guido wrote:You are the only person who has given me relevant advice besides "pick a new ship". The advice has been to pick the right tool, it's you that insists on using a hammer as a spanner.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
676
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Posted - 2015.10.03 18:02:24 -
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Captain Brownfinger wrote:Medium and large projectile tracking is fine. We do not need to go back to the days of battleship solopwnmobiles. If you want to deal with frigates in your battleship then fit accordingly, it's all about tradeoffs and by the sounds of it you traded off in favour of more large target dps numbers.
Large turret ships can barely hit orbitting frigates or destroyers with tracking bonused hulls and webs. If you want to solo in a BS you use a drone boat or an application fit missile boat; or you use undersized weapons.
Large turrets are utterly useless against small targets unless you are in an MJD Vindicator, and even then you will struggle to hit frigates at 500m. The ONLY thing that keeps a turret BS with a proper pvp fit from being solo'd by a frigate is heavy neut, as many frigates can easily tank and blap unbonused drones.
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Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2015.10.03 18:02:35 -
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baltec1 wrote:Amanda Guid wrote:
Ya, I think I finally have a fit that may work. I think im gonna try snakes and an AB. You have a really good point with being able to be faster then the ab frigates.
You are the only person who has given me relevant advice besides "pick a new ship". What is your advice about making the ship capable of being faster with an AB? You think double web with AB and snakes will do it?
Your weapons choice and flying tactics are of far greater concern, as said bigger is not better and the same is true of turrets.
Are u suggesting I fit small weapons on a cruiser hull>? or just use missile and drone boats? |

Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2015.10.03 18:03:26 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Captain Brownfinger wrote:Medium and large projectile tracking is fine. We do not need to go back to the days of battleship solopwnmobiles. If you want to deal with frigates in your battleship then fit accordingly, it's all about tradeoffs and by the sounds of it you traded off in favour of more large target dps numbers. Large turret ships can barely hit orbitting frigates or destroyers with tracking bonused hulls and webs. If you want to solo in a BS you use a drone boat or an application fit missile boat; or you use undersized weapons. Large turrets are utterly useless against small targets unless you are in an MJD Vindicator, and even then you will struggle to hit frigates at 500m. The ONLY thing that keeps a turret BS with a proper pvp fit from being solo'd by a frigate is heavy neut, as many frigates can easily tank and blap unbonused drones.
Thank you for being the voice of reason. |

Portmanteau
oooh ponies
69
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Posted - 2015.10.03 18:51:58 -
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Amanda Guido wrote:
How was I to know when engaging him that he was TD fit? .
Because it was a hookbill and that is about as basic an assumption as you can make in pvp, right next to curse has neuts and garmur will be linked.
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Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2015.10.03 18:55:16 -
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Here is the actual problem with the current meta. The whole concept of angular velocity and sig radius verse tracking is too easily abused and exploitable. It is too easy for a small fast ship to make their sig radius next to nothing through fitting and links, at the same time as making their speed ridiculous. The combination of which makes them untouchable by even SMALL weapons, let alone medium or large weapons. Throw in a tracking disruptor and you are near invulnerable.
Experienced frigate and dessie pilots know this fact and they exploit it daily, then they come on the forums and say "everything is working as intended, learn to play."
No, I am not a newb. A year ago I posted about the flaws of missile damage application, got the same responses from trolls. "You are bad, learn to play" A year later come the missile damage application changes. Said the same thing about the poor state of BS. Got the same responses, 'your bad, learn to play." Now here you see the public outcry that BS are in a bad state and need fixing., including responses by CCP that they are working on it.
I am not new, I do know what I am talking about. |

Portmanteau
oooh ponies
69
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Posted - 2015.10.03 19:02:02 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Captain Brownfinger wrote:Medium and large projectile tracking is fine. We do not need to go back to the days of battleship solopwnmobiles. If you want to deal with frigates in your battleship then fit accordingly, it's all about tradeoffs and by the sounds of it you traded off in favour of more large target dps numbers. Large turret ships can barely hit orbitting frigates or destroyers with tracking bonused hulls and webs. If you want to solo in a BS you use a drone boat or an application fit missile boat; or you use undersized weapons. Large turrets are utterly useless against small targets unless you are in an MJD Vindicator, and even then you will struggle to hit frigates at 500m. The ONLY thing that keeps a turret BS with a proper pvp fit from being solo'd by a frigate is heavy neut, as many frigates can easily tank and blap unbonused drones.
Sorry but battleships are not meant to be anti frigate ships, it's not a problem that battleships need to fit undersized guns if they want to go looking for frigate gangs to blap, that is WAI. Battleships are not helpless against frigates either, a frigate can be neuted, target painted, double webbed, small droned, ECM droned or just plain tanked until you reach a gate. Sure, not all BS can/do fit neuts, but I would suggest that soloing in a BS would be better in one that can.
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Portmanteau
oooh ponies
69
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Posted - 2015.10.03 19:02:52 -
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Amanda Guido wrote:
I am not new, I do know what I am talking about.
But had no idea that a hookbill might be fit with a TD ? ok pal.
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Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2015.10.03 19:03:29 -
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Portmanteau wrote:Amanda Guido wrote:
I am not new, I do know what I am talking about.
But had no idea that a hookbill might be fit with a TD ?  ok pal.
I have killed several hookbills in my day "pal" that's the only one with a TD I have encountered. Check my killmail pal
P.S any frig can fit a TD its not standard fit, and unlike the other ships you mentioned, the hookbill does not get any bonuses to TD. So why would it be standard. Just stfu. |

Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2015.10.03 19:06:51 -
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Portmanteau wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Captain Brownfinger wrote:Medium and large projectile tracking is fine. We do not need to go back to the days of battleship solopwnmobiles. If you want to deal with frigates in your battleship then fit accordingly, it's all about tradeoffs and by the sounds of it you traded off in favour of more large target dps numbers. Large turret ships can barely hit orbitting frigates or destroyers with tracking bonused hulls and webs. If you want to solo in a BS you use a drone boat or an application fit missile boat; or you use undersized weapons. Large turrets are utterly useless against small targets unless you are in an MJD Vindicator, and even then you will struggle to hit frigates at 500m. The ONLY thing that keeps a turret BS with a proper pvp fit from being solo'd by a frigate is heavy neut, as many frigates can easily tank and blap unbonused drones. Sorry but battleships are not meant to be anti frigate ships, it's not a problem that battleships need to fit undersized guns if they want to go looking for frigate gangs to blap, that is WAI. Battleships are not helpless against frigates either, a frigate can be neuted, target painted, double webbed, small droned, ECM droned or just plain tanked until you reach a gate. Sure, not all BS can/do fit neuts, but I would suggest that soloing in a BS would be better in one that can.
A BS can hardly hit a CRUISER that is double webbed and painted, they don't stand a chance of hitting a FRIGATE under any condition, unless they are 30km out and get lucky. Light drones are a f**king joke unless they are launched from a drone boat with bonuses. So wtf are lights gonna do to anything but a t1 frigate?? Seriously, just stop. |

Portmanteau
oooh ponies
69
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Posted - 2015.10.03 19:09:12 -
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Amanda Guido wrote:
P.S any frig can fit a TD its not standard fit, and unlike the other ships you mentioned, the hookbill does not get any bonuses to TD. So why would it be standard. Just stfu.
That right there shows you know literally zip about prevalent fits in frigate pvp. The reason hookbills so often come with TDs is because of the extra midslot and strength of unbonused TDs. You should really know this, it's basic stuff. |

Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2015.10.03 19:11:25 -
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Portmanteau wrote:Amanda Guido wrote:
P.S any frig can fit a TD its not standard fit, and unlike the other ships you mentioned, the hookbill does not get any bonuses to TD. So why would it be standard. Just stfu.
That right there shows you know literally zip about prevalent fits in frigate pvp. The reason hookbills so often come with TDs is because of the 4th midslot and strength of unbonused TDs. You should really know this, it's basic stuff.
There are hulls that get bonuses to TD, the hookbill is not one of them. The mid slots of a hookbill, a shield tank, are used for tank, prop, web, and scram. U are sacrificing something to fit a td. You really should know this, its basic stuff |

Portmanteau
oooh ponies
69
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Posted - 2015.10.03 19:16:37 -
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Amanda Guido wrote:Portmanteau wrote:Amanda Guido wrote:
P.S any frig can fit a TD its not standard fit, and unlike the other ships you mentioned, the hookbill does not get any bonuses to TD. So why would it be standard. Just stfu.
That right there shows you know literally zip about prevalent fits in frigate pvp. The reason hookbills so often come with TDs is because of the 4th midslot and strength of unbonused TDs. You should really know this, it's basic stuff. There are hulls that get bonuses to TD, the hookbill is not one of them. The mid slots of a hookbill, a shield tank, are used for tank, prop, web, and scram. U are sacrificing something to fit a td. You really should know this, its basic stuff
BTW it's 5 mids, my error and you didn't even pick up on it :) regardless, hookbills even with no bonus to TD, are often fit with TDs, it's quite common place, same with with condors, slashers, none of them bonused for TD
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Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2015.10.03 19:22:56 -
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Portmanteau wrote:Amanda Guido wrote:Portmanteau wrote:Amanda Guido wrote:
P.S any frig can fit a TD its not standard fit, and unlike the other ships you mentioned, the hookbill does not get any bonuses to TD. So why would it be standard. Just stfu.
That right there shows you know literally zip about prevalent fits in frigate pvp. The reason hookbills so often come with TDs is because of the 4th midslot and strength of unbonused TDs. You should really know this, it's basic stuff. There are hulls that get bonuses to TD, the hookbill is not one of them. The mid slots of a hookbill, a shield tank, are used for tank, prop, web, and scram. U are sacrificing something to fit a td. You really should know this, its basic stuff BTW it's 5 mids, my error and you didn't even pick up on it :) regardless, hookbills even with no bonus to TD, are often fit with TDs, it's quite common place, same with with condors, slashers, none of them bonused for TD
All the ships you mentioned, condor, slasher, are kites you fool. Hence why they fit TDs.... the hookbill is a brawler. Your faulty info not mine on the number of mids. Tank generally takes up more then one slot |

Portmanteau
oooh ponies
69
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Posted - 2015.10.03 19:36:38 -
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Amanda Guido wrote:
All the ships you mentioned, condor, slasher, are kites you fool. Hence why they fit TDs.... the hookbill is a brawler. Your faulty info not mine on the number of mids. Tank generally takes up more then one slot
Slasher is a kiting ship ? It's primarily a sig/speed tanking brawler that often fits a neut or a TD. The fact that a condor usually is a kiting ship has no bearing on your point, you were saying that the lack of TD bonus implies there will be no TD fit to the ship, that is clearly not the case, condors, hookbills, slashers... all commonly found with unbonused TDs fit to them, despite what your "experience" tells you.
If you are going to try to solo in a cruiser or BS, and all power to you if you are, I suggest you familiarize yourself with some common fits that while maybe not ubiquitous, are still likely and still a threat to your survival. When I fly a rail or beam or other bad tracking fit, hookbills, slashers and the like set alarm bells off as a possibly bad engagement. It doesn't mean I won't take the fight, but it's stuff you should know to help you decide. Battleships/cruisers do not need reworking to kill frigates because you don't know the potential threats. |

Captain Brownfinger
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2015.10.03 20:36:37 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Captain Brownfinger wrote:Medium and large projectile tracking is fine. We do not need to go back to the days of battleship solopwnmobiles. If you want to deal with frigates in your battleship then fit accordingly, it's all about tradeoffs and by the sounds of it you traded off in favour of more large target dps numbers. Large turret ships can barely hit orbitting frigates or destroyers with tracking bonused hulls and webs. If you want to solo in a BS you use a drone boat or an application fit missile boat; or you use undersized weapons. Large turrets are utterly useless against small targets unless you are in an MJD Vindicator, and even then you will struggle to hit frigates at 500m. The ONLY thing that keeps a turret BS with a proper pvp fit from being solo'd by a frigate is heavy neut, as many frigates can easily tank and blap unbonused drones.
/facepalm /cry I have no more words for the ridiculousness in this thread anymore. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16714
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Posted - 2015.10.03 20:58:10 -
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Amanda Guido wrote:baltec1 wrote:Amanda Guid wrote:
Ya, I think I finally have a fit that may work. I think im gonna try snakes and an AB. You have a really good point with being able to be faster then the ab frigates.
You are the only person who has given me relevant advice besides "pick a new ship". What is your advice about making the ship capable of being faster with an AB? You think double web with AB and snakes will do it?
Your weapons choice and flying tactics are of far greater concern, as said bigger is not better and the same is true of turrets. Are u suggesting I fit small weapons on a cruiser hull>? or just use missile and drone boats? Problem with fitting small guns on a cruiser hull is the terrible optimal. Small guns work on frigates because they have the speed and mobility to keep within the pitiful optimal of small guns. A cruiser does not. Good luck keeping any frigate in your piddly 1000m optimal while flying a slow cruiser hull. They will laugh and turn the other way, out burn you from your web/scram and peace out. Not to mentioned all 5 guns are unbonused, so your dps would be terrible. Fail
No I am saying stop thinking max dps and start thinking max application, so drop the neutrons and use electrons, fly your ship to get max transversal.
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Captain Brownfinger
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.10.03 21:04:36 -
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I don't think he cares anymore Baltec, the OP is hellbent on using the wrong ship for the job to the point now hes willing to throw money at a set of expensive implants to just lose those too. Should be funny when the OP makes a post whining about how implants are worthless and whatever else his brain decides is wrong. |

Nafensoriel
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
83
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Posted - 2015.10.03 21:27:48 -
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I don't know why I keep posting in this thread.
After actually taking some time and properly going over all your recent KMs.. Try not fitting brawling weapons when the local enemies are kiting you to death. Example. Thorax vs Thorax.. neutrons vs 150mm rails. Rails will out range you indefinitely. It doesn't matter how much tracking you have. You will never be able to get close enough to do anything with that tracking. This is called a failure to adapt and apply. Funny thing is... dual 150mm railguns do 50 less dps than neutron blasters with navy AM. Also if math was used youd find out that due to the extended optimal the dual 150s actually have HIGHER TRACKING at their optimal usage range. IE more damage actually hits.. and hits farther away. Welcome to rock paper scissors.
Also try getting friends.
No you don't know what you are doing. These are basic concepts. Us telling you fits means jack and sh*t when almost every single KM you have is mostly because your enemies fight outside your optimal and use ships pretty much designed to murder fits EXACTLY like yours.
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Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2015.10.03 21:59:12 -
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Nafensoriel wrote:I don't know why I keep posting in this thread.
After actually taking some time and properly going over all your recent KMs.. Try not fitting brawling weapons when the local enemies are kiting you to death. Example. Thorax vs Thorax.. neutrons vs 150mm rails. Rails will out range you indefinitely. It doesn't matter how much tracking you have. You will never be able to get close enough to do anything with that tracking. This is called a failure to adapt and apply. Funny thing is... dual 150mm railguns do 50 less dps than neutron blasters with navy AM. Also if math was used youd find out that due to the extended optimal the dual 150s actually have HIGHER TRACKING at their optimal usage range. IE more damage actually hits.. and hits farther away. Welcome to rock paper scissors.
Also try getting friends.
No you don't know what you are doing. These are basic concepts. Us telling you fits means jack and sh*t when almost every single KM you have is mostly because your enemies fight outside your optimal and use ships pretty much designed to murder fits EXACTLY like yours.
Adapt or die. The only truth of eve PVP.
Adapt, so I am supposed to telepathically know that when that thorax warps in he is kite fit with rails eh? You act like I know what I am going to be facing before I face it. Are you dumb?
Maybe I should carry a set of rails in my cargo bay with a mobile depot and deploy it at every plex so I can switch out mid fight *rolls eyes* ******* morons |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25217
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Posted - 2015.10.03 22:13:39 -
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Amanda Guido wrote:Adapt, so I am supposed to telepathically know that when that thorax warps in he is kite fit with rails eh? You act like I know what I am going to be facing before I face it. Are you dumb? He's not dumb, he's telling you how it is.
You will rarely know what tactics and fits other players will use; you can take a damn good guess at it if you're familiar with the capabilities of the ships they're flying, how they're commonly fitted etc. Adapt your fits and tactics to what is being commonly used against you.
Quote:Maybe I should carry a set of rails in my cargo bay with a mobile depot and deploy it at every plex so I can switch out mid fight *rolls eyes* ******* morons Maybe you should use the right tool for the job in the first place.
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Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2015.10.03 22:30:18 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Amanda Guido wrote:Adapt, so I am supposed to telepathically know that when that thorax warps in he is kite fit with rails eh? You act like I know what I am going to be facing before I face it. Are you dumb? He's not dumb, he's telling you how it is. You will rarely know what tactics and fits other players will use; you can take a damn good guess at it if you're familiar with the capabilities of the ships they're flying, how they're commonly fitted etc. Adapt your fits and tactics to what is being commonly used against you. Quote:Maybe I should carry a set of rails in my cargo bay with a mobile depot and deploy it at every plex so I can switch out mid fight *rolls eyes* ******* morons Maybe you should use the right tool for the job in the first place.
And what tool is that? A thorax can be blaster fit, or it can be kite fit, there is no way of knowing which way he will be fit, or if even it will be a thorax that you will face. So all of this nonsense about knowing your enemy and fitting accordingly is hogwash. There is no way in EVE to know who and what you will be up against. There are hundreds of ships and thousands of fit combinations used for all of them. It is simply luck of the draw.
When you engage that thorax or he engages you, by the time you know what he is fitted with you are already locked in. the only exception to that rule is if you are kite fit and are able to stay out of scram range. Which obviously is not the case when you are blaster fit. So unless you are saying "blasters are bad, don't use them" I don't know what to tell you |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25218
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Posted - 2015.10.03 22:55:39 -
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Amanda Guido wrote:And what tool is that? A thorax can be blaster fit, or it can be kite fit, there is no way of knowing which way he will be fit, or if even it will be a thorax that you will face. Of course there is no way of knowing how someone has fitted their ship, but you can make a good guess. If you're solo you'll always be at a disadvantage if they have friends.
If you want predictable enemies I suggest you switch your focus to missions.
Quote:So all of this nonsense about knowing your enemy and fitting accordingly is hogwash. Yet it works for many 
Quote:There is no way in EVE to know who and what you will be up against. There are hundreds of ships and thousands of fit combinations used for all of them. It is simply luck of the draw. You're right there is no way to know who and what you're up against; what you can do is pick your fights, like the guys that keep killing you are obviously doing.
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Nafensoriel
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
83
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Posted - 2015.10.03 23:00:43 -
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Ok lets make this simple.
If you fit blasters.. you have one option.. to brawl. Anything that kites you that you cant catch is going to kill you.
If you fit rails... then now you have options. This is why the kite meta works so well. It also means you do not engage at ranges where you cant run.
You are in an area and flying solo.. yet you are fitting like you have support or to defeat ships that are not being flown against you. It would be logical to see the small groups killing you and switch your fitting/ship preferences to things that can either disengage(when they blob) or keep them scrammed and at range while you slowly work down the number of pilots against you.
You are solo... so you have to think smart and fit to get away before thinking about damage. Your fitting habits right now give you one option. Kill them or die.. and frankly you wont succeed fit the way you do using the ships you do. |

Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2015.10.03 23:22:57 -
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Nafensoriel wrote:Ok lets make this simple.
If you fit blasters.. you have one option.. to brawl. Anything that kites you that you cant catch is going to kill you.
If you fit rails... then now you have options. This is why the kite meta works so well. It also means you do not engage at ranges where you cant run.
You are in an area and flying solo.. yet you are fitting like you have support or to defeat ships that are not being flown against you. It would be logical to see the small groups killing you and switch your fitting/ship preferences to things that can either disengage(when they blob) or keep them scrammed and at range while you slowly work down the number of pilots against you.
You are solo... so you have to think smart and fit to get away before thinking about damage. Your fitting habits right now give you one option. Kill them or die.. and frankly you wont succeed fit the way you do using the ships you do.
You keep saying use rails, but rails have the exact opposite weakness. In a cruiser you will rarely be able to outrun a frigate. So anything that moves faster then you will simply get in under your guns. You will have the exact reverse problem.
I understand blasters come with a huge weakness with their limited range, I'm trying to find a way to surmount that problem |

Portmanteau
oooh ponies
69
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Posted - 2015.10.04 00:18:27 -
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When did this thread go from battleships need tracking super buff to general pvp/intel tutorial for someone too rude and entitled to be deservinvg of it ? |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16714
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Posted - 2015.10.04 00:19:15 -
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Amanda Guido wrote:Nafensoriel wrote:Ok lets make this simple.
If you fit blasters.. you have one option.. to brawl. Anything that kites you that you cant catch is going to kill you.
If you fit rails... then now you have options. This is why the kite meta works so well. It also means you do not engage at ranges where you cant run.
You are in an area and flying solo.. yet you are fitting like you have support or to defeat ships that are not being flown against you. It would be logical to see the small groups killing you and switch your fitting/ship preferences to things that can either disengage(when they blob) or keep them scrammed and at range while you slowly work down the number of pilots against you.
You are solo... so you have to think smart and fit to get away before thinking about damage. Your fitting habits right now give you one option. Kill them or die.. and frankly you wont succeed fit the way you do using the ships you do. You keep saying use rails, but rails have the exact opposite weakness. In a cruiser you will rarely be able to outrun a frigate. So anything that moves faster then you will simply get in under your guns. You will have the exact reverse problem. I understand blasters come with a huge weakness with their limited range, I'm trying to find a way to surmount that problem
I already told you how.
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