As much as I appreciate getting more hulls for existing resource harvesting types, can we PLEASE at least know if you're ever going to work on a ship tailored for gas harvesting?

I'm getting very irritated that being able to fit more than 2 gas cloud harvesters is completely useless, making the description of the skill completely redundant (except at stopping me from making the 8-vacuum ship I've always dreamed of).

All I've ever wanted is a ship with 6 highs, 5 turret hardpoints and an ore bay, CCP...

This is something I really don't understand....

To fit your ass into a T2 ship you need the T1 ship prerequisites to lvl 5. (Minus the odd grandfather here and there.)

So why have (in this case) "Mining Frigate bonuses (per skill level)" Instead have "MISC Bonuses" or something similar.

Or if you feel you need to be a little safer, the Prospect has the same gas harvesting bonuses.

Which edge cases were those? For as long as I've played using T2 ships required level V on the associated T1 ship skill (JFs aside) so if you lost the level V you wouldn't be able to fly the ship.

Bigger ore bay, more mobility, but less mining yield, it's a matter of choice, mining barge and exhumers will stay the rolls royce of ice mining.

This ship has been designed for ninja ice mining in frigate sized shattered wormhole.

And in my opinon, mining 15 blocks and returning in base represent too much risk for few isk involved.
If there was a new kind of magic expensive ice only found in shattered wormhole why not, but for mining dark glitter or whatever else, isk / h is still poor, ninja gas harvesting C320 is really more interesting for the same risks.

But 15000 m3 ore hold.... can we fit gas harvester on ?

I have given up with the mining frigates and probably won't bother with this one either.

The venture and the prospector are too slow at gas mining for my taste. I want a cruiser (or larger) size hull that can gas mine 2 to 3 times faster than a venture!

It should of happened years ago but i still think new subsystems should be added to T3 cruisers that would allow them to fill a harvesting/extraction role, amongst other things.

IMPOSSIBLE! The frigs only have 2 harvesters, but I can toss 5 on a cruiser; 2 < 5. Bonuses? What are bonuses?

Yes they mine SLIGHTLY faster than a ship with 5 harvesters on but that doesn't mean is isn't a painfully slow process.

My original argument was that there should be a bigger ship that is better at gas mining. This would balance itself out in terms of risk.

Currently we have these little frigate that are very cheap and either come with warp disruptor resistance or a covert cloak. This makes them pretty hard to catch and thus, fairly risk free. If anything the introduction of the venture drove the price down.

Now if you introduce a more expensive cruiser class gas miner that didn't have the warp core strength or a cloak, they would be easier to catch and as a result, the risk to reward factor would be better. Considering this, i don't think the price would drop too much but if it did, it would probably be to the point where venture pilots would want to upgrade to the riskier ship so they earn more per hour.

Why would you want me to do that?

If I'm wrong then it supports my point that the introduction of a faster mining ship wouldn't affect the market and if i'm right, it supports my argument for an easier to catch gas mining ship to be added.

Greate! So based on that, the argument that a faster gas mining ship would drive the price down is unfounded and thus, there is no reason to not introduce a faster gas mining ship.

I'm not complaining, I am simply saying that there should be a progression in the gas mining class, just like there already is within the ore and ice mining class.

Not in the same way there is with mining barges and pretty much every other class of ship in the game.

You're just going to throw that out their apropos of nothing? Weak!

The venture is not part of exploration path.