Please do NOT butcher Relic sites to make data sites better. Find them something new and unique. Making Relic sites suck more because you hope to make data sites suck less is not a solution.

Impressive feedback response :D and some good changes accepting the pointlessness of some of these sites.

Can we confirm we are switching from Relic OR Data module to ONLY USE data analyser in Ghosts?

Just like that? They should be sigs from day 1.
CCP RedDawn, you must stay longer with us.

Btw, any chance of decreasing volume on ghost sites loot?

I'd really prefer to see the Besieged sites as Cosmic Signatures, for the reasons I posted here.

The Ghost Sites changing to Cosmic Signatures is nice, but it doesn't make a huge impact. They can't be camped because the trigger starts as soon as someone warps to them, and they despawn fairly quickly afterwards. They also spawn in Highsec, where the Besieged Sites only spawn in Lowsec.

Any particular reason you're preferring to keep the Besieged sites as Anomalies?

It was you and CCP Bayesian if I remember correctly who fronted the initial changes to data and relic sites. We appreciate your continued work on these sites and for listening to us for changes and improvements to the sites.

What are the thoughts on things like volatile pieces of wreckage in Relic sites which can explode and damage the ship, or corrosive gas clouds to slowly damage the entering ship to include some danger to the site.

Or for Data sites, an alarm unit that unless successfully hack will alert rats, or deploy mines to safe guard the data containers.

I'm going to use this thread to shamelessly restate an old annoyance of mine: Restoration Nodes.
I am no longer too frustrated with them but only because I have such a specialized fit for Relic sites that I can brute-force through most puzzles involving them, but I still believe their implementation to be bad, and here's why.

This one node is the only one that has no gameplay around it. You simply must attack it straight away or it will overheal other nodes to unholy amounts. Even attacking it right away means taking a hit, 2 if you're using a T1 hacking module, and suffering the heal effect the corresponding number of times. With any other node I can plan around it, decide to use a consumable or hit it right away. This one has no such decision-making, since the effect is way too powerful.

-But muh Virus Supressors!- I hear you cry. These are a slightly different beast, since they don't keep dicking you after their initial effect. Here you do have a real decision: keep exploring with the risk of running into something and not having all your Virus Strength, or lose Coherence to destroy it.

My suggestions on how to change it:
- Make Res. Nodes not heal when you're attacking them. You already take damage from the node itself, no need to also add coherence to the Firewall next to the Core.
- Make restoration nodes be unable to overheal so much. At the moment the cap is somewhere in the vicinity of 400 coherence iirc, if you lower it to a more resonable level, say 1.5x-2x the original coherence of a node, then leaving the Res. Node alive will be just a risk, not a instant loss.


I realize this might be a lot of work and part of you initial design for the minigame that had to be left in an incomplete state. I will also reiterate that I no longer rage so much these things since I found a way around them, but it would be nice to have this particular detail iterated on if you find the time.

About these two changes, what type of cosmic signature will be the ghost sites?

I propose turning them from combat sites to Data sites, in accordance with the hacking module change. Many explorers with litle interest in NPC killing put the signature in ignore as soon as they uncover the "Combat Site" description while probing.

If they keep being combat sites, from now on 95% of this combat sites will keep being standard ignorable combat sites, but we will have to finsih off the scanning on all of them to see if it is a ghost site...

[quote=Shurgin Ambraelle][quote=Iceburn1]BTW....
While you are at it, why don't you fix Drone Regions.

1. NO relic sites
2. Ghost sites are rare
3. NO sleeper sites
4. NO scanable 10/10 sites (highest is 5/10)
A. 5/10 are not worth doing nor the escalations (risk vs reward)
B. 10/10 as escalations pay outs are way under most other regions.
5. Faction spawns are useless and chips for SOE ships are rare.
6. Officer spawns. Complete Waist of Time!!!!

Using Wiki's and taking into account that one must rat in -.6 or lower. Belt counts must be very high in order to get an Officer spawn to make it worth while and in Drone Regions the lower the system the lower the belt counts; about 3-6 belts. So if i would rat a system with 2-3 spawns that respawn every 20 min It would be lots of luck or 3 years of my life (not counting people who can rat 12 hours a day ( then 7 month) to get an Officer spawn. That is ridiculous considering that there are regions where one can rat for 2 hours a day and get more then 3 Officer Spawns in a Month.


Drone Regions NEED LOVE TOO


1 - agree
2- not so much
3 - agree
4 true
4.A - FALSE (i was in drone region and they definitely worth doing it - they give u between 150 and 300m if escalate)
4b. rofl drone 10/10 brings u between 400 and 600m each time (last my 2 blood raider naval shipyards were approx 200m each)
5. nope , they arent , one drone dmg amp is still worth 150m , and they didnt drop so rarely chips , one friend of mine do signatures only in drone region and make average 1.5b-2b per day
6. i killed drone officer once - drop 7b ... and if this waste of time for u ... gl

Or do you have an estimate on when this will be implemented?

Do you have a complete list of the data site drops you will be changing? It'd be nice if there weren't any that were mostly worthless like there are today.

Edit- If you wanted to make data sites more valuable, what if you just flat out increased the amount required for the mostly worthless ones in constructing items? I realize this may hurt some industry, with large stockpiles of items causing you to manufacture at a cost, but I'm just putting it on the table.

Cool. Any chances to decrese the volume of Shattered Villard Wheels, they are 1m3 currently. Cargohold get stuffed by them quickly.

Is this a typo and you meant "C1 to C3" or are you adding these "higher tiered (higher value) Cosmos site building materials" to sleeper data sites aswell?

Will these changes be on Singularity beforehand?

Is it also possible to get a list of all the items added to the droptable?

Any updates on this aswell :)?