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Excellent Miner Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 11:15:00 - [61] "All i want for Xmas is my outpost back ......." I dont want a smart bomb, I want it to kill stupid people too.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.24 11:29:00 - [62] As a neutral observer. What do the other neutrals think is on the cards next? My opinion is that BoB will take AZN, it may not be on Christmas Day, but it'll go down. And at that point I think it's clear that ASCN have been defeated. Will BoB offer ASCN terms? Will ASCN accept them? If they don't accept terms they'll haemorage members, if they do accept terms, they'll still lose members. Don't know what would be worse for ASCN, being BoB's tenants, or saying that they will continue to fight, even when they are losing lots of members. Pure speculation of course, I'm not involved, I'm just reading the soap opera as it develops.
Helen STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.24 11:33:00 - [63] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: FlashmanUK Wasn't for insurance. Then why on earth Peacemakerone just died in less than 2 hours to a TAOSP tower in 2 scorps and a raven!!! I know Taosp are emo but that aint a mind controlling tower now is it Guess you'd have to ask Peacemakerone. On a serious note STK got bored sat in AZN with BoB camping us in with bubbles, capitals and the usual side selection of ships. We decided that a breakout would have to occur looking at numbers in gang hit 15 we decided that with 80 odd people in local the odds were definately in our favour. We went outside twice in BS then went outside again in cruisers then sent a lone smartbomb bs to catch the BoB support. Shame we didn't kill many of you guys but the 15v15 contest never materialised. I mean we are in ASCN we obviously derive sick pleasure from dying.
Revelatia Clandestia	Posted - 2006.12.24 11:36:00 - [64] Originally by: Stamm If they don't accept terms they'll haemorage members, if they do accept terms, they'll still lose members. They already have, around 500+ individual members have left so far and EDF just announced they are leaving too.
Monahlott Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.24 11:36:00 - [65] I admire peoples dedication.I dont/didnt buy into all this "Quake kiddie" crap but... ......some people really need to get out more.Go down the pub...go to a party...find a pretty girl and dance dance dance you saddos-Its xmas and the whole world is in party mode..for the love of god find something more important to do than play "space invaders 2006".
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.24 11:39:00 - [66] Originally by: Revelatia Originally by: Stamm If they don't accept terms they'll haemorage members, if they do accept terms, they'll still lose members. They already have, around 500+ individual members have left so far and EDF just announced they are leaving too. I did notice the drop in members. But I didn't know it was 500 individual members, are you sure? That's pretty cataclysmic. I assumed it was a corp or three leaving. From what I've seen on the forums EDF leaving ASCN might be a positive thing. In any case, the position that ASCN are in now... There's clearly some spirited people in ASCN, they're not all self centred short sighted carebears. Could they be satisfied being BoBs tenants? Or would it be enough for them that the people they felt dirty about sharing an alliance channel with are gone? And conversely, there's some industy minded people that want to build and expand their empire, they wouldn't be happy being BoB tenants, unless the deal was favourable, but likewise they may not be interested in guerilla warfare.
Revelatia Clandestia	Posted - 2006.12.24 11:50:00 - [67] No one really knows what the actual member 'count' is but it's estimated to be 1500 at it's height of just over 5000 'characters'. I should have said over 500+ characters have left. We were and still are a very alt heavy alliance. - From conversations I have seen I don't think any but the newer additions would be happy to be BoB slaves, especially with the way the war has been conducted by both BoB and us on a high level. It remains to be seen though whether that is even a BoB option as nothing constructive has been offered as far as I know, other than the usual forum propaganda. - Guerilla warfare - I think they'd welcome that to be honest, but would consider it little more than a VERY minor annoyance, if at all.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.24 11:55:00 - [68] Originally by: Revelatia No one really knows what the actual member 'count' is but it's estimated to be 1500 at it's height of just over 5000 'characters'. I should have said over 500+ characters have left. We were and still are a very alt heavy alliance. - From conversations I have seen I don't think any but the newer additions would be happy to be BoB slaves, especially with the way the war has been conducted by both BoB and us on a high level. It remains to be seen though whether that is even a BoB option as nothing constructive has been offered as far as I know, other than the usual forum propaganda. - Guerilla warfare - I think they'd welcome that to be honest, but would consider it little more than a VERY minor annoyance, if at all. If BoB do intend to make an offer they'll be very careful about keeping silent until the offer is made, making ridiculous or no offers at all, and then bang, here comes a very reasonable offer. The best time to do that is surely when AZN falls. Clearly I'm armchair generaling here, but it's quiet today and unlike everybody else I know I seemed to have the sense to do my Christmas shopping last month, so I'm trundling along 0.0 in my non-stabbed hauler bored out of my little mind.
Alberta Gallente Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 14:12:00 - [69] Originally by: Stamm unlike everybody else I know I seemed to have the sense to do my Christmas shopping last month, so I'm trundling along 0.0 in my non-stabbed hauler bored out of my little mind. shakes fist and runs off to the shops
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 14:13:00 - [70] They had their chance to come to us Stamm. Very publically, they stuck their two fingers up at us. I guess the realisation now is that they should have used those two fingers to click click more ingame and less on the forums and they may have come out with something at the end of the war. It's not going to be a very merry christmas for the kids of ASCN. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.24 14:16:00 - [71] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry (ii) i know to be much more careful about who I throw my lot in with (though several corps in ascn have surprised me with their application and coolness, top of which is probably Dragons Rage, who have been awesome in this conflict). Thanks Fitz :D We from Dragon's Rage really appreciate this. Let's hope our paths continue to cross.
laotse Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.24 14:21:00 - [72] hmm and i was thinking we where over the kiddies stuf its something ascn and bob dont have to use imo it have no place in this game 80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.24 14:47:00 - [73] Edited by: Stamm on 24/12/2006 14:48:25 Originally by: DB Preacher They had their chance to come to us Stamm. Very publically, they stuck their two fingers up at us. I guess the realisation now is that they should have used those two fingers to click click more ingame and less on the forums and they may have come out with something at the end of the war. It's not going to be a very merry christmas for the kids of ASCN. dbp Well, it all depends on ASCN how long it takes. Nobody seems to be denying that AZN will fall, so I'm taking it for granted it will fall. But there's no guarantee that ASCN will crumble at that point. And then BoB face the monotony of trying to stamp out ASCN POSs all over the area, dealing with lone wolf ASCN pilots who're basically out to grief any BoB they can find not in a fleet. Up until now it must have been (generally speaking) fun for BoB as they've rolled across ASCN space and come to their capital system, but once that's taken, and the other stuff is left to deal with, BoB may not have so much fun, and may lose the spirit they've clearly fought with so far in this campaign. Not to mention that with some corps leaving ASCN there's every chance that something that isn't working now can be made to work. I'm sure there's hundreds of pilots, maybe even over a thousand that are willing to bite the bullet and try to take on BoB if it's possible and there's enough people willing. They might find it easier to work together when all the clutter of the forum-posting non-combat people, the carebears, the "I'm only in ASCN for as long as it suits me, and I don't really care about them or the corp" people.. once they're gone then maybe ASCN will be left with a determined force of fighters. That's why I think BoB might now be thinking - and clearly I'd be a fool if I thought DB Preacher is going to admit it - that a reasonable offer might be worth tabling, if it doesn't compromise the victory conditions that BoB have in mind, and deals with all the less fun stuff afterwards. As for the two fingers that ASCN showed you, when they graciously allowed you to keep Fountain... well, I think that's already come back to bite them. Bear in mind this is only my opinion, and I'm in no way important anywhere, never mind the south. And no, other than RULE knocking down an ASCN POS that for some obscure reason they put down in our space, neither me nor RULE have been involved.
jjiimm	Posted - 2006.12.24 16:27:00 - [74] Go tell the Spartans We are here and we are waiting
slip66 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 17:04:00 - [75] Originally by: Helen Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: FlashmanUK Wasn't for insurance. Then why on earth Peacemakerone just died in less than 2 hours to a TAOSP tower in 2 scorps and a raven!!! I know Taosp are emo but that aint a mind controlling tower now is it Guess you'd have to ask Peacemakerone. On a serious note STK got bored sat in AZN with BoB camping us in with bubbles, capitals and the usual side selection of ships. We decided that a breakout would have to occur looking at numbers in gang hit 15 we decided that with 80 odd people in local the odds were definately in our favour. We went outside twice in BS then went outside again in cruisers then sent a lone smartbomb bs to catch the BoB support. Shame we didn't kill many of you guys but the 15v15 contest never materialised. I mean we are in ASCN we obviously derive sick pleasure from dying. I bet if you would have asked you would have gotten a 15v15.... Originally by: StOrM ViPeR Theres a skill called surgical strike in game I've learned that it actually stands for Band of Brothers
Ragnar Anchor Minmatar Dragon's Rage Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.24 17:21:00 - [76] After 3 months of never postin on the Eve-O forums as an ascn member as it relates to this war, you will have to forgive my past reticence and forgive also my forwardness. To all ascn members I say, it was fun, but remember that ideologies do not win wars, only dedication to those same ideologies will win wars...and lots of SP!
Krystal Waters Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 17:36:00 - [77] Originally by: Dianabolic for those that timed these pos to come out at this time says alot more about them than it does about us :) lol. nicely put.
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.12.24 17:46:00 - [78] Originally by: slip66 I bet if you would have asked you would have gotten a 15v15.... Bzzzzz! Wrong answer.
Resipsa Loquitor Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 19:37:00 - [79] Originally by: Slowboat Originally by: slip66 I bet if you would have asked you would have gotten a 15v15.... Bzzzzz! Wrong answer. Hmmm . . . I'd like to hear the right answer then. Seems like a fair deal and one that many I flew with last night would have taken if made without deception and in the spirit of fun and fighting. If they would have ran we would have killed them. So, tell us what the answer should have been. siggy Res - It speaks for itself in a misspelled kind of way
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 19:55:00 - [80] Originally by: Ragnar Anchor After 3 months of never postin on the Eve-O forums as an ascn member as it relates to this war, you will have to forgive my past reticence and forgive also my forwardness. To all ascn members I say, it was fun, but remember that ideologies do not win wars, only dedication to those same ideologies will win wars...and lots of SP! Skill points don't win wars. They don't lose wars either. What wins and loses wars is teamwork and leadership. If you have good teamwork with good leadership you win. You can have a fleet of 50 and outnumber your enemy 2 to 1 but if an idiot is leading them they will lose. You can have an excellent fleet commander and if the people following him don't do as he/she says they will lose. In the end it comes down to teamwork and leadership. Originally by: Eridu Fallen Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it is the ugly stick.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 19:58:00 - [81] Originally by: Slowboat Originally by: slip66 I bet if you would have asked you would have gotten a 15v15.... Bzzzzz! Wrong answer. Ofc. Fights that included roughly same numbers always turned out to be pure slaughter. So instead improving quality, ASCN was working on improving quantity which had diminishing returns on quality. And look what end result is... -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.12.24 20:06:00 - [82] Do they know its christmas time at all? ok ok that was harsh, i dont hate mods.. as an apology the mod who shows the most wuv gets a free mercedes...
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.24 22:47:00 - [83] Been pointed out several times already, not everyone celebrates crimbo.
M4sterm1nd DarkStar 1	Posted - 2006.12.25 01:34:00 - [84] Originally by: Snatchz P.S. The reason i ask is that the kb numebrs are just gaudy... it's simple : When it started, many people actually did drop their barges and ratting fittings... two weeks after that, ppl got bored. Since then: A) noone gave a hoot B) noone gives a hoot C) prospects for future hootery don't look good. EDF is gone, CLS is gone, DS1 is gone, AXE is gone, and God only knows how many corps are FINALLY coming to the realisation that the lax attitude towards this whole BoB situation has cost them their space. I give it till new years. ASCN, in its current state, is the lesser son of greater sires. I'm gonna fill your hoo-hah with goofjuice! - Patton Oswalt
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.25 06:35:00 - [85] Edited by: Liet Traep on 25/12/2006 06:46:09 Originally by: Stamm Originally by: Revelatia Originally by: Stamm If they don't accept terms they'll haemorage members, if they do accept terms, they'll still lose members. They already have, around 500+ individual members have left so far and EDF just announced they are leaving too. I did notice the drop in members. But I didn't know it was 500 individual members, are you sure? That's pretty cataclysmic. I assumed it was a corp or three leaving. From what I've seen on the forums EDF leaving ASCN might be a positive thing. In any case, the position that ASCN are in now... There's clearly some spirited people in ASCN, they're not all self centred short sighted carebears. Could they be satisfied being BoBs tenants? Or would it be enough for them that the people they felt dirty about sharing an alliance channel with are gone? And conversely, there's some industy minded people that want to build and expand their empire, they wouldn't be happy being BoB tenants, unless the deal was favourable, but likewise they may not be interested in guerilla warfare. When BoB and ASCn announced they're going to war I logged into eve and made a note of some alliance rankings. I assumed that Axe would be backing up ASCN so i took note of their numbers also. 9/28/2006 - Today ASCN 4993 - 3427 AXE 1402 - 1093 BOB 1605 - 1817 The numbers aren't completely accurate I'm sure. But they're what i got off of eve. Make of them what you will.

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