Originally by: tiller

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Originally by: OrangeAfroMan

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QFT on Famine, also who the hell gatecamps? Bleh. :/

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Most of eve kill guys at gates... where do you do it ?

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Originally by: OrangeAfroMan

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QFT on Famine, also who the hell gatecamps? Bleh. :/

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Edited by: NightmareX on 26/12/2006 13:59:48

Originally by: OrangeAfroMan

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QFT on Famine, also who the hell gatecamps? Bleh. :/

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If your trying to say belt hunting are better, then you are wrong. Me, Skywalker and 3-4 more peoples was going 10 jumps out from were are are atm a week ago, and we was checking every single belt in every systems on the way down to the system we had as our destination.

And guess on how many targets we found on the way down?, i can tell you, we found one Retriever that we killed, and one Isthar that ran from us. And that's after checking like 150 belts on the way down.

So yeah, we get most of our kills at the gates in low sec.

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Originally by: Intigo

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Edited by: NightmareX on 26/12/2006 13:59:48

Originally by: OrangeAfroMan

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QFT on Famine, also who the hell gatecamps? Bleh. :/

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If your trying to say belt hunting are better, then you are wrong. Me, Skywalker and 3-4 more peoples was going 10 jumps out from were are are atm a week ago, and we was checking every single belt in every systems on the way down to the system we had as our destination.

And guess on how many targets we found on the way down?, i can tell you, we found one Retriever that we killed, and one Isthar that ran from us. And that's after checking like 150 belts on the way down.

So yeah, we get most of our kills at the gates in low sec.

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Scan much?

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Edited by: NightmareX on 26/12/2006 14:42:46

Originally by: Intigo

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Edited by: NightmareX on 26/12/2006 13:59:48

Originally by: OrangeAfroMan

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QFT on Famine, also who the hell gatecamps? Bleh. :/

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If your trying to say belt hunting are better, then you are wrong. Me, Skywalker and 3-4 more peoples was going 10 jumps out from were are are atm a week ago, and we was checking every single belt in every systems on the way down to the system we had as our destination.

And guess on how many targets we found on the way down?, i can tell you, we found one Retriever that we killed, and one Isthar that ran from us. And that's after checking like 150 belts on the way down.

So yeah, we get most of our kills at the gates in low sec.

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Scan much?

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Ofc we scan all the times, and was mostly empty in the belts all the way down to the place we was going

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Originally by: NightmareX

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Edited by: NightmareX on 26/12/2006 14:42:18

Originally by: OrangeAfroMan

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QFT on Famine, also who the hell gatecamps? Bleh. :/

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If your trying to say belt hunting are better, then you are wrong. Me, Skywalker and 3-4 more peoples was going 10 jumps out from were we are atm a week ago, and we was checking every single belt in every systems on the way down to the system we had as our destination.

And guess on how many targets we found on the way down?, i can tell you, we found one Retriever that we killed, and one Isthar that ran from us. And that's after checking like 150 belts on the way down.

So yeah, we get most of our kills at the gates in low sec.

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Originally by: OrangeAfroMan

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I <3 Famine.

P.S. I want a Megathrone

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You don't stand a chance -Karl

Originally by: DarkElf

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i totally get your points here mate and all you are saying is correct it can be done in groups of drakes. what i want to know is what exactly are u saying is more benefitial by using drakes. are u saying just because they're cheaper or because they lock quicker or what?

to me it seems that if money is no object to you then quicker lock is the only advantage. agility isn't a huge deal when gate camping especially with missile ships and bs still tank better and do a lot more dps.

so what exactly is the reason u have ditched ur raven?

DE

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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri

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Originally by: DarkElf

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i totally get your points here mate and all you are saying is correct it can be done in groups of drakes. what i want to know is what exactly are u saying is more benefitial by using drakes. are u saying just because they're cheaper or because they lock quicker or what?

to me it seems that if money is no object to you then quicker lock is the only advantage. agility isn't a huge deal when gate camping especially with missile ships and bs still tank better and do a lot more dps.

so what exactly is the reason u have ditched ur raven?

DE

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You fail to see the big picture just like you fail to see how a armor tanking Vagabond can still kill people. Even though something isn't the popular choice it still has it's advantages like everything else.

I can tell you that it's just not based on the quick locking. It's based on the sheer power of a cruiser like ship. What's great about that really?

- Agility (to escape which is a big +)
- Locking Times
- Cheap (ship costs and fittings)
- More Hybrid (great damage on both small and big sized ships)
- Style

Yes, battleships get the job done and yes you can do it solo. That doesn't cover the fact that ships such as BC's, HAC's, and Cruisers can also do it solo. Really is no other need to do battleship camping unless you sniping or want a more effective way to down other battleships at the gates. Due to the changes, sniping is harder than before and well you miss a lot more of those smaller ships than before. Which is a heavy loss if you ask me.

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Originally by: Kaellis

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@ Tiller:

Could you please share a little bit of your build philosophy? I'm having a difficult time getting my scan res up *and* fitting a decent tank on my Drake. I can do one or the other but not both (probably due to low SP, but still curious).

Also, what tank do you use to tank sentry guns? Haven't had the nerve to try that yet, but I'm new so haven't tried it in any ship much less my Drake.

Thanks mate!

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Originally by: Kamikaaazi

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BS-s still rule the 0.0 gatecamps. Who need fast locking crapships when you got 1 or 2 dicotrs =)

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Originally by: Kamikaaazi

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BS-s still rule the 0.0 gatecamps. Who need fast locking crapships when you got 1 or 2 dicotrs =)

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Originally by: Kaellis

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@ Tiller:

Could you please share a little bit of your build philosophy? I'm having a difficult time getting my scan res up *and* fitting a decent tank on my Drake. I can do one or the other but not both (probably due to low SP, but still curious).

Also, what tank do you use to tank sentry guns? Haven't had the nerve to try that yet, but I'm new so haven't tried it in any ship much less my Drake.

Thanks mate!

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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz

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Packs of BC's have always been the most cost effective way to camp gates in empire. But you still need some Battleships to help crank out more damage when somebody actually tries to break up the camp, unless you just plan to run away and hide.

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Originally by: DarkElf

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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri

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Originally by: DarkElf

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i totally get your points here mate and all you are saying is correct it can be done in groups of drakes. what i want to know is what exactly are u saying is more benefitial by using drakes. are u saying just because they're cheaper or because they lock quicker or what?

to me it seems that if money is no object to you then quicker lock is the only advantage. agility isn't a huge deal when gate camping especially with missile ships and bs still tank better and do a lot more dps.

so what exactly is the reason u have ditched ur raven?

DE

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You fail to see the big picture just like you fail to see how a armor tanking Vagabond can still kill people. Even though something isn't the popular choice it still has it's advantages like everything else.

I can tell you that it's just not based on the quick locking. It's based on the sheer power of a cruiser like ship. What's great about that really?

- Agility (to escape which is a big +)
- Locking Times
- Cheap (ship costs and fittings)
- More Hybrid (great damage on both small and big sized ships)
- Style

Yes, battleships get the job done and yes you can do it solo. That doesn't cover the fact that ships such as BC's, HAC's, and Cruisers can also do it solo. Really is no other need to do battleship camping unless you sniping or want a more effective way to down other battleships at the gates. Due to the changes, sniping is harder than before and well you miss a lot more of those smaller ships than before. Which is a heavy loss if you ask me.

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Why do you insist on replying to my posts with random drivvle without reading what i'm saying. i was simply curios as to the main reason he is preferring the drake. i wanted clarification. and i never said an armour tanked vaga couldn't kill anything. a frickin ibis can still kill things but i simply was surprised that u would regularly use it as it's so much more effective when u make the most of it's bonus's (ie speed).

so if u insist on commenting on my posts in future pls read what i say first.

thanks tiller i understand what u mean. with warp to 0 especially, scan res is more important than ever.

DE

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Originally by: Felinuszzz

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The dudes saying that you can't find good targets doing belt piracy anymore are so wrong. I don't know where you're hunting, but it's either a wasteland like Aridia, or you're incompetant with the scanner.

The last month or so, I've killed two Hulks, and ransomed one Hulk pirating in belts. Any given day in my region I can find cruisers, battlecruisers, and even battleships ratting and mining in lowsec.

Maybe your problem isn't a lack of targets in belts, more a lack of aptitude for catching them (I can't resist a friendly little smack ) ?




We have often gotten small fleet fights (at belts or planets) with multiple BS and support engaging our cruiser/BC gangs, just doing "belt piracy". This can often be accomplished through killing/ransoming a barge, and then waiting around for the dude and his friends to hop into their combat ships and come play. In fact, of all the kills I've ever gotton, probably only around 10%-20% of them were gate kills.

Camping is boring, hunting is fun.

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Originally by: Felinuszzz

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The dudes saying that you can't find good targets doing belt piracy anymore are so wrong. I don't know where you're hunting, but it's either a wasteland like Aridia, or you're incompetant with the scanner.

The last month or so, I've killed two Hulks, and ransomed one Hulk pirating in belts. Any given day in my region I can find cruisers, battlecruisers, and even battleships ratting and mining in lowsec.

Maybe your problem isn't a lack of targets in belts, more a lack of aptitude for catching them (I can't resist a friendly little smack ) ?




We have often gotten small fleet fights (at belts or planets) with multiple BS and support engaging our cruiser/BC gangs, just doing "belt piracy". This can often be accomplished through killing/ransoming a barge, and then waiting around for the dude and his friends to hop into their combat ships and come play. In fact, of all the kills I've ever gotton, probably only around 10%-20% of them were gate kills.

Camping is boring, hunting is fun.

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Originally by: fire 59

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How about using your bs gang and going into 0.0 and having a proper fleet battle instead of a gate gank, it can be fun you know.

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