Originally by: Senti Kai

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There was a nice bit on the History Channel about the orgins of the x-mas celebration. Very interesting. Noone should feel guilty about skipping the day, there's 364 others you can spend with your family, and if people need brainwashing from corporations to spend time with the family, then there's a problem there.

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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace

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Originally by: Quineverre

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.. Have a merry christmas. And to the pagans. Happy Yule and sorry for stealing your day cause it fitted so nicely with the birthstory of Jesus...

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It is so refreshing to hear from a Christian that doesn't think we all got wiped out four centuries ago. Thank you. In the spirit of your message I wish you a Merry Christmas.

I would happily debate that Yule became the Christian celebration of the birth of Christ as many early missions to Pagan lands found themselves isolated for long periods. Many Christian customs have a strong undercurrent of Paganism behind them. In most cases I suspect it was just pragmatic for early Christians to allow a religious melting pot to occur.

For instance Christians originally used the fish as their symbol. The crucifix appears to have become popular after the missionaries reached Norse and Saxon lands. There the Odin story was well known. Odin hung for nine days and nights on Yggrasil, the world tree if you will. Wounded in the flank by his own spear. During the trial he stole the mysteries and knowledge of the runes from the gods and gave them to man. You should be able to find it in detail in a translation of The Prose Edda. Needless to say the similarities between Odin on Yggrasil and the modern story of Christ on the cross are obvious.

Christmas and the midwinter festival of Yule we have covered. Another one is Easter. It takes it's name from the fertility goddess Eostre. It was a time of planting and.... sowing wild oats . Lets just say the Easter egg hunt is symbolic of another tradition. No doubt the festivals message of death and rebirth (death of winter, birth of new life in spring) fitted well with the story of Christ's execution and ascention.

Many years ago an old aquaintance of mine studying these things told me that combined with Arabic stellar observations at the time and Roman records of the Bethlehem census it puts Christs birthday sometime around September by the modern calander. Unfortunatly my aquaintance died may years ago and I have no idea where they got all this from.

I think one of the few festivals not adopted by the Christians is Halloween. We call it Sam'hain and it marks the begining of a new year.

Plenty of food for thought and no need to apologise. There are many of us us but not enough anymore. If it were not for so many Christian holidays being at the same time as Pagan festivals I'd have to keep taking annual leave to celebrate them.

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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace

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Originally by: Phyrr

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Edited by: Phyrr on 24/12/2006 14:51:23

Originally by: Telemicus Thrace

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Originally by: Quineverre

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.. Have a merry christmas. And to the pagans. Happy Yule and sorry for stealing your day cause it fitted so nicely with the birthstory of Jesus...

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It is so refreshing to hear from a Christian that doesn't think we all got wiped out four centuries ago. Thank you. In the spirit of your message I wish you a Merry Christmas.

I would happily debate that Yule became the Christian celebration of the birth of Christ as many early missions to Pagan lands found themselves isolated for long periods. Many Christian customs have a strong undercurrent of Paganism behind them. In most cases I suspect it was just pragmatic for early Christians to allow a religious melting pot to occur.

For instance Christians originally used the fish as their symbol. The crucifix appears to have become popular after the missionaries reached Norse and Saxon lands. There the Odin story was well known. Odin hung for nine days and nights on Yggrasil, the world tree if you will. Wounded in the flank by his own spear. During the trial he stole the mysteries and knowledge of the runes from the gods and gave them to man. You should be able to find it in detail in a translation of The Prose Edda. Needless to say the similarities between Odin on Yggrasil and the modern story of Christ on the cross are obvious.

Christmas and the midwinter festival of Yule we have covered. Another one is Easter. It takes it's name from the fertility goddess Eostre. It was a time of planting and.... sowing wild oats . Lets just say the Easter egg hunt is symbolic of another tradition. No doubt the festivals message of death and rebirth (death of winter, birth of new life in spring) fitted well with the story of Christ's execution and ascention.

Many years ago an old aquaintance of mine studying these things told me that combined with Arabic stellar observations at the time and Roman records of the Bethlehem census it puts Christs birthday sometime around September by the modern calander. Unfortunatly my aquaintance died may years ago and I have no idea where they got all this from.

I think one of the few festivals not adopted by the Christians is Halloween. We call it Sam'hain and it marks the begining of a new year.

Plenty of food for thought and no need to apologise. There are many of us us but not enough anymore. If it were not for so many Christian holidays being at the same time as Pagan festivals I'd have to keep taking annual leave to celebrate them.

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just thought i'd point out that your a christian in a roleplaying alliance fighting against a monotheistic race

and merry christmas to you

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I don't know how you came to that conclusion, I am a pagan. Born and raised. Hence my response to Quinverre wishing us pagans a happy Yule.

I am indeed in a role play alliance, even before that I have always been a roleplayer in Eve. Indeed the Amarr are a monotheastic faith. The funny part being I got an invite to play Eve from a mate and he said "roll Minmatar" so I did. Having been a punk in my youth and liking the gear head description of the Sebiestor I rolled a Sebie. The rest came after. Had he said "roll Amarr" I could just have easily ended up purifying the heathens with holy fire.

Anyway, not sure about the point of your post. Just felt the need to clear up the misunderstanding. I am not Christian.

Merry Christmas.

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