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Masempa	Posted - 2006.12.24 14:45:00 - [1] No, i'm not buying isk.... Basically, my PC needs an upgrade. My specs are... 3.6ghz P4 1 gig of ram ATI x600 graphics card +stuff it's 3 years old, EvE runs at 50fps at best and during fleets, I cry. I have only have ú200 to improve it, as i'm waiting till dx10 compatible cards come out... then i'll be going all out on an Alienware workstation Which should I upgrade to make the biggest improvement to load times and fps during warp in's and fleets? processor, ram, gpu or a combination of both which doesn't mean having to get a new motherboard? thanks
Atoning Unifex Caldari Funny Sometimes	Posted - 2006.12.24 14:49:00 - [2] Spend it on drink and drugs, get totally bombed for the entire xmas season and then you won't have to put up with the misery the rest of us will be living in until january.
Decadent Diva	Posted - 2006.12.24 14:52:00 - [3] graphic card and update your drivers if they are 3y old too :p
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.24 14:53:00 - [4] Upgrade the x600. Get a 7800, maybe, or an x1800. By the way, Alienwares are a ripoff. Buy from a custom-build company like Monarch that charges a markup under 100 dollars, rather than a grand extra just for the case . -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Flamewave Scorn. Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2006.12.24 14:53:00 - [5] Originally by: Masempa 3.6ghz P4 This is decent. Originally by: Masempa 1 gig of ram Also decent. Originally by: Masempa ATI x600 graphics card Blegh! :P Might want to get a spicier graphics card. Though it may just be a good idea to hold off for those DX10 cards for a few months than plunking down for a decent DX9 card now.
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.24 14:54:00 - [6] CPU - Fine. If anything, go Dualcore, just because you can RAM - MAYBE you could see an improvement with another gig GFX - SHOULD be fine, but DX10 would be nice when they come STUFF - Unless that includes a 56k modem, there's not really anything to do Lag and such won't go away just because you have the One Machine To Rule Them All. It might make it less annoying by loading slightly faster, but that's it. You'll get killer framerates when docked (killer as in superb) and you'll get killer framerates in fleet-ops (killer as in YOU get killed), no matter what you do. Overall your machine is fine, so get another gig of RAM and save your money for a DX10 card...
Masempa	Posted - 2006.12.24 14:56:00 - [7] Originally by: Flamewave Originally by: Masempa 3.6ghz P4 This is decent. Originally by: Masempa 1 gig of ram Also decent. Originally by: Masempa ATI x600 graphics card Blegh! :P Might want to get a spicier graphics card. Though it may just be a good idea to hold off for those DX10 cards for a few months than plunking down for a decent DX9 card now. how long will I be waiting for a Dx10 card btw?
Decadent Diva	Posted - 2006.12.24 15:00:00 - [8] Edited by: Decadent Diva on 24/12/2006 15:01:18 Originally by: Masempa how long will I be waiting for a Dx10 card btw? you can buy geforce 8800 already, but expensive i'd wait till ati release the dx10 cards. maybe buy a cheap geforce 6600gt on ebay for now.
Masempa	Posted - 2006.12.24 15:01:00 - [9] Originally by: CrayC CPU - Fine. If anything, go Dualcore, just because you can RAM - MAYBE you could see an improvement with another gig GFX - SHOULD be fine, but DX10 would be nice when they come STUFF - Unless that includes a 56k modem, there's not really anything to do Lag and such won't go away just because you have the One Machine To Rule Them All. It might make it less annoying by loading slightly faster, but that's it. You'll get killer framerates when docked (killer as in superb) and you'll get killer framerates in fleet-ops (killer as in YOU get killed), no matter what you do. Overall your machine is fine, so get another gig of RAM and save your money for a DX10 card... I mainly fly ceptors, which is fine until I fly into a gate camp or something similar, all it takes is 10 or more ships, and I could see no frames until I end up in a new clone at a station, where as I know that with a decent enough spec machine, I could have flown out of the bubble and warped to saftey, or at least gotten my pod out of harms way... So you say more ram?
Masempa	Posted - 2006.12.24 15:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Dark Shikari Upgrade the x600. Get a 7800, maybe, or an x1800. By the way, Alienwares are a ripoff. Buy from a custom-build company like Monarch that charges a markup under 100 dollars, rather than a grand extra just for the case . I don't mind paying for the case! but i'll consider your suggestion
Constantine Arcanum Gallente IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2006.12.24 15:04:00 - [11] Originally by: Flamewave Originally by: Masempa 3.6ghz P4 This is decent. Originally by: Masempa 1 gig of ram Also decent. Originally by: Masempa ATI x600 graphics card Blegh! :P Might want to get a spicier graphics card. Though it may just be a good idea to hold off for those DX10 cards for a few months than plunking down for a decent DX9 card now. on my eve comp I run an x600 and have no problems I helped - Cortes What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir Well lets make it a party atleast :D -Xorus RAWWWR!11!!1!2 SIG HIJACK!!11!1 I found it first, get orrrfff moiiii laaannnd - Cortes
Constantine Arcanum Gallente IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2006.12.24 15:06:00 - [12] OH and a tech question: Is DDR II better than DDR 400? If so, how much by? Ta I helped - Cortes What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir Well lets make it a party atleast :D -Xorus RAWWWR!11!!1!2 SIG HIJACK!!11!1 I found it first, get orrrfff moiiii laaannnd - Cortes
Jaggire	Posted - 2006.12.24 15:18:00 - [13] Originally by: Masempa it's 3 years old, EvE runs at 50fps at best and during fleets, I cry. Seeing that the human eye typically cannot register more than 60fps, that's really not bad.
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2006.12.24 15:25:00 - [14] Originally by: Jaggire Originally by: Masempa it's 3 years old, EvE runs at 50fps at best and during fleets, I cry. Seeing that the human eye typically cannot register more than 60fps, that's really not bad. I really hate people saying that... The human eye can't detect a still picture/stationary 3d environment lagging at 60fps, not a moving 3d environment where the speed the camera is turning could effectively make that 60 look like 15. Jump on the average 1st person shooter, then while at 60fps, spin the camera around as fast as you can with a lot of textures onscreen. See the lag? ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.24 15:30:00 - [15] A ú200 graphics card would be very tasty. Go thata way. The processor is nice and beefy already, and nothings wrong with 1GB of RAM. And RAM is cheap and easy to upgrade anyway, so you can worry about that later. -----------------------------------------------
Masempa	Posted - 2006.12.24 15:33:00 - [16] Originally by: Damien Smith Originally by: Jaggire Originally by: Masempa it's 3 years old, EvE runs at 50fps at best and during fleets, I cry. Seeing that the human eye typically cannot register more than 60fps, that's really not bad. I really hate people saying that... The human eye can't detect a still picture/stationary 3d environment lagging at 60fps, not a moving 3d environment where the speed the camera is turning could effectively make that 60 look like 15. Jump on the average 1st person shooter, then while at 60fps, spin the camera around as fast as you can with a lot of textures onscreen. See the lag? yeah, I said max fps btw anyway, when i'm flying and shooting, it's typically around 15-30fps... If I wanted to upgrade both ram and graphics, what graphics card would you recommend for ú100 ($200)? I've also head nvida is better for eve?
Jektai Koba	Posted - 2006.12.25 14:39:00 - [17] Originally by: Masempa Originally by: Dark Shikari Upgrade the x600. Get a 7800, maybe, or an x1800. By the way, Alienwares are a ripoff. Buy from a custom-build company like Monarch that charges a markup under 100 dollars, rather than a grand extra just for the case . I don't mind paying for the case! but i'll consider your suggestion He is right. Alienware is badly badly overpriced. It's like buying a designer shirt for $600 when you could get one just like it at walmart for $20. I could buy parts online and build the same one for less than half what they charge and without the stupid looking case.
Micia Minmatar Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.12.25 14:47:00 - [18] Regarding the DX10 thing - Wouldn't you have to get the Vista Windows to make use of it? And until EVE releases the DX10 graphic upgrade (could be a while), would there be a benefit to running EVE on a DX10 card? _______ Have you heard The Call ?
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2006.12.25 15:23:00 - [19] I have been using Monarch MB/CPU/RAM combos for years, they are pretty good... You can find graphics cards cheaper elsewhere though. They have decent prices on HD's... Newest toy for my 63 acre sandbox Building the homestead
subvert	Posted - 2006.12.25 16:16:00 - [20] what mobo do you have? upgrade your video card and if you need it your power supply for the new card. That's your performance bottleneck right there.
vinnymcg eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.25 16:18:00 - [21] You could try bribing someone working for your isp to give you a better connection to the eve server, then again you could try bribing a dev to get rid of lag :) Sig removed please keep it within the 400x120 pixel limits,- Xorus Its close enough!
Isyel Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.12.25 18:11:00 - [22] It's NOT your GFX card, trust me. I have an x1900GT and get just as bad performance. It's the RAM and CPU that's holding you back. Have 1gig of ram and an AMD 3200+ and eve struggles when there's many ships on screen. And the UI, get fraps and turn off the UI you'll see the FPS difference. (CCP please fix that? ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Originally by: Wrangler We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
Masempa	Posted - 2006.12.25 19:10:00 - [23] Originally by: Isyel It's NOT your GFX card, trust me. I have an x1900GT and get just as bad performance. It's the RAM and CPU that's holding you back. Have 1gig of ram and an AMD 3200+ and eve struggles when there's many ships on screen. And the UI, get fraps and turn off the UI you'll see the FPS difference. (CCP please fix that? ) just bought the x1600pro 512mb card to replace the old x600 pci-e card... which leas me enough money to get another gig of ram... if that does't fit it, i'll start playing other games.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.12.25 19:19:00 - [24] One more gig of ram and a graphics card. Try a 7900GT they should be rather cheap now. ~~~~~~~~~ Caldari. It's so easy a Minmatar could do it.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2006.12.25 19:34:00 - [25] A basic, no-name GeForceFX-5200 is all you'll ever need before the "DX10" Vista EVE. Trust me on this one, the graphics card is NEXT TO IRRELEVANT to EVE, unless you want to run at insane resolutions. And then again, a FX6k/ATIx600 is still overkill, regardless of resolution. A much better video card can boost up your NWN2 FPS up from 4 to 40, but in EVE you'll be lucky to go from 50 to 51. Also, dual core or dual procesor machine ? I can only LOL@that. Single core, single processor, non-hyperthreaded machines run EVE best for the same raw CPU power. Anything else, for EVE, it's a WASTE. ____ To summarize, whet you need for EVE: - get the FASTEST single-core processor you can find - get AS MUCH of the fastest RAM you can find - set your EVE "cache size" to half the physical RAM size - get the FASTEST hard drive you can, move the EVE dir on that drive... keep the system swap file on a separate drive - whatever graphics card "just runs" EVE, keep it, it's good And that about covers your EVE needs. _ My skills \| Mod/Rig stacknerfing explained
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.25 19:48:00 - [26] Edited by: tiller on 25/12/2006 19:48:55 If you run two accs a core 2 duo CPU really kicks ass... I've got mine with a old 7900gt and it flys along on two 19" TFTs. Dual core really shines when running two clients as each client uses a different core. Do not buy a AMD atm, waste of money....
Lilan Kahn Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.25 19:52:00 - [27] eve = software rendered a fancy new gpu wil MAX improv your fps by 2-5%, bigger cpu wil have much more effect. Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication. http://www.sloganizer.net/en/image,Lilan-spc-Kahn,white,black.png
Masempa	Posted - 2006.12.25 19:54:00 - [28] Edited by: Masempa on 25/12/2006 19:56:56 Originally by: Akita T To summarize, whet you need for EVE: - get the FASTEST single-core processor you can find Any suggestions? Considering I don't wanna switch boards - get AS MUCH of the fastest RAM you can find - set your EVE "cache size" to half the physical RAM size How do you do this? - get the FASTEST hard drive you can, move the EVE dir on that drive... keep the system swap file on a separate drive the next fastest hdd's I can get would be 15,000rpm's, these aint cheap enough atm ... - whatever graphics card "just runs" EVE, keep it, it's good The cards already in the process of being shiped, a x1600pro for ú70 - I recon it's bargin (please tell me other wise asap!), plus, it'll let me play CS:S properly >) as well as other stuff. And that about covers your EVE needs. do you have any suggestions, or links to for optimising windows xp for gaming? EG, stripping it down and other stuff?
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.25 19:55:00 - [29] Edited by: tiller on 25/12/2006 19:56:03 Originally by: Lilan Kahn eve = software rendered a fancy new gpu wil MAX improv your fps by 2-5%, bigger cpu wil have much more effect. Well not true, but all current graphics cards can handle eve's old engine no problem. It's the speed that you get / send / receive / process database data that is the clincher. So yes, fast CPU is where it's at... at a guess. When running two clients you do need quite alot of graphics power though.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.25 20:44:00 - [30] Originally by: Lilan Kahn eve = software rendered Uh, no, its not. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)

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