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CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 1161	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:13:12 - [1] - Quote Hello Players After assessing all evidence available to us, we have determined that Warlords of the Deep and The Camel Empire colluded to fix the result of Series 117b (the second match of the BO3 Quarter Finals between the two teams). As such, all Prize ships, medals (both inventory items and character sheet) as well as the Alliance Tournament Cup will be confiscated from both teams. PLEX rewards will remain as they achieved a position in the top 16 before the match they colluded in. Additionally, the team captain for Warlords of the Deep (Kadesh Priestess) is permanently banned from participating all CCP Tournaments (including the upcoming Amarr Championship), while the captain of The Camel Empire (Bob Shaftoes) is banned for a period of one year from the conclusion of the tournament (until 2016-08-30). This includes any character they control, or any alliance they may be executor or captain for even if they do not wish to fly in the tournament. A number of players from outside the teams purchased prize ships. The ISK from these purchases was previously placed in escrow, and will now be returned in full. Anyone that this affects will have previously received information regarding this matter when the ships were originally frozen. The two alliances themselves and all other players on those teams will have no further actions taken against them as we do not have specific evidence that they were involved. However, the two teams will need to select new captains or executors as per above if they wish to compete again. All remaining teams will be move up two positions in rankings and prizes (other than PLEX) will be redistributed on this basis. While we canGÇÖt know for sure that the tournament would have resulted in the same way if the two teams had not been competing, we believe this is the fairest way to handle the situation after the conclusion of the tournament. As such, the new top 4 are as follows: Pandemic Legion Exodus. The Tuskers Co. & Nulli Secunda Note that as there is no clean way to determine which of the two teams would be placed 3rd or 4th, we have decided to instead split the prizes of the two positions evenly between each team (5 ships each). However, both teams will receive 12 inventory medals each. Finally, we are looking to make the rules more stringent in the future with regards to working with other teams. Details of these will be announced in the future, but in many cases, if we think it seems suspicious, weGÇÖll be inclined to remove your team from the tournament. If any players have further questions, please feel free to ask. CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics @CCP_Logibro

Destoya Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 474	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:15:54 - [2] - Quote nice
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1114	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:16:32 - [3] - Quote Cheaters get rekt.
Wrik Hoover Hoover Inc. Pandemic Legion 168	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:17:04 - [4] - Quote ez tourny as always GET GOOD KIDS
RoCkEt X Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 144	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:17:13 - [5] - Quote ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Captain Thunk Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 175	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:17:30 - [6] - Quote Told ya you could verify Skype logs :)
Faife Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 296	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:18:10 - [7] - Quote Thank you for your work on this.
Tyrrax Thorrk Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 396	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:18:11 - [8] - Quote Good job CCP, bad job cheaters.
Xlanta Yann Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion 4	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:18:16 - [9] - Quote oh god you just killed PL nobody will survive this smug cloud
Daugan Quovis The Bastion 6	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:18:19 - [10] - Quote U S A

Jay Amazingness Amok. Goonswarm Federation 15	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:18:32 - [11] - Quote gf o7 m8s
Viridiana 'Vi' Sovari Night Angels 139	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:18:39 - [12] - Quote Oh wow. All sold.
Arkon Olacar Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion 549	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:18:41 - [13] - Quote The good guys win again Warping to zero
Viridiana 'Vi' Sovari Night Angels 139	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:19:01 - [14] - Quote WTB Fiend :D All sold.
Dog0fWaRR Carpe Noctem. Pandemic Legion 30	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:19:08 - [15] - Quote EZ Kills from noobs.
Duckslayer League of Non-Aligned Worlds Snuffed Out 59	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:19:11 - [16] - Quote Posting in an epic thread. Please bob, give me your stuff
Cerian Alderoth Cataclysm Enterprises Pandemic Legion 13	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:19:18 - [17] - Quote R.I.P. & GF
Aryndel Vyst GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1015	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:20:00 - [18] - Quote next time ask PL how to properly cheat in the alliance tourney you scrubs
Minty Aroma Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 60	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:20:01 - [19] - Quote REKD - as they deserve to be!
Aryndel Vyst GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1015	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:20:15 - [20] - Quote jk im gay

Ryu Chaos Tr0pa de elite. Pandemic Legion 16	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:20:33 - [21] - Quote GIT REKT @RyuChaos_
W0lf Crendraven Welfcorp 358	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:20:41 - [22] - Quote lol, get rekt kadesh
Soldarius Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore 1381	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:21:54 - [23] - Quote Thank you, CCP for looking into this. http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
RoAnnon Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 37753	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:22:34 - [24] - Quote Here's to future clean Tournaments! cheers So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter.
Doomchinchilla Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion 65	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:22:36 - [25] - Quote Hi Chessur.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3339	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:22:40 - [26] - Quote 0wnz0ne Post on the Eve-o forums with a Goonswarm Federation character that drinking bleach is bad for you, and 20 forum warriors will hospitalise themselves trying to prove you wrong.
Bodaaa SniggWaffe WAFFLES. 6	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:22:40 - [27] - Quote PL #1
Ravelin Eb Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:22:49 - [28] - Quote Its always nice to see the good guys win.
Khemikill ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 2	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:24:18 - [29] - Quote PL #1
McBarnacle Black Scorpions Inc Fidelas Constans 17	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:24:29 - [30] - Quote So Kadesh Priestess' character assassination attempt on the player who first reported this did a lot of good then?

SmarncaV2 Snuff Box Snuffed Out 78	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:24:38 - [31] - Quote loooooooooooooo
Edward Harris Lazerhawks 93	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:24:39 - [32] - Quote BOOM, headshot!
Schlampa Hole Violence Whole Squid 5	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:25:05 - [33] - Quote This is just fantastic.
Dravyan Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:25:37 - [34] - Quote All the rigged gambling at Eve Bet will make this the thread that will keep on giving. It's time for Kadesh to seppuku on his sword.
Zura Namee Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 37	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:25:51 - [35] - Quote McBarnacle wrote: So Kadesh Priestess' character assassination attempt on the player who first reported this did a lot of good then? I'd argue it made the final decision even easier if anything
Cristl 253	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:26:31 - [36] - Quote Wildcat vindicated
Jamir Von Lietuva LDK Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 33	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:27:09 - [37] - Quote So I'm now 3rd and 4th place winner.. Nice
Kismeteer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 846	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:27:21 - [38] - Quote Let me be the first to congratulate PL for winning the alliance tournament. If anyone knows how to cheat and not get caught, it is them. Things can only get better for Python Legion!
Mostlyharmlesss GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 210	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:28:02 - [39] - Quote No accounts bans to deter future members of AT teams to be pro-active against their leadership/other members cheating? Follow me on Twitter for the latest regarding GoonSwarm Federation and our recruitment drives!
Skyler Hawk Boars on Parade The Tuskers Co. 48	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:29:27 - [40] - Quote Sad to see things shake out this way.

Tiagra May GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 13	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:29:38 - [41] - Quote Good call guys cheers
Kaleesa Paradox Collective Project.Mayhem. 33	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:29:59 - [42] - Quote Cheaters never prosper.... Congrats PL.
Arkon Olacar Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion 550	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:30:22 - [43] - Quote McBarnacle wrote: So Kadesh Priestess' character assassination attempt on the player who first reported this did a lot of good then? It was practically an admission of guilt Warping to zero
Langbaobao Tr0pa de elite. Pandemic Legion 65	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:31:24 - [44] - Quote We did it bois! Good guys win again.
McBarnacle Black Scorpions Inc Fidelas Constans 20	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:31:57 - [45] - Quote Arkon Olacar wrote: McBarnacle wrote: So Kadesh Priestess' character assassination attempt on the player who first reported this did a lot of good then? It was practically an admission of guilt Indeed, it was what I thought as soon as I read the post.

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 1177	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:32:36 - [46] - Quote Mostlyharmlesss wrote: No accounts bans to deter future members of AT teams to be pro-active against their leadership/other members cheating? At the time, banning an account was beyond the scope of what we considered reasonable based on the tournament rules as they were. This may not remain true in the future. CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics @CCP_Logibro

W0lf Crendraven Welfcorp 358	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:33:44 - [47] - Quote Also, leave chessur the **** alone @reddit and this thread, he was one of the best commentators, and one of the few if not only ones who didnt sugar coat everything and said it how it was.
Zanthar Eos Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion 1	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:34:09 - [48] - Quote Ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
ROSSLINDEN0 AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 290	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:34:13 - [49] - Quote Haha haha
HONSOU FERRIX Lockstock. Dead Terrorists 3	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:34:16 - [50] - Quote Why is one ban permanent and the other only a year?

Senshi Hawk Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 104	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:35:32 - [51] - Quote :popcorn:
Centra Spike Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 167	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:35:55 - [52] - Quote Laedy please apply to HABIT in-game. Follow us @PLIRC!
Tappits North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion 184	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:36:01 - [53] - Quote Thanks CCP thanks PL
Cable Uta Questionable Circles Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 4	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:36:57 - [54] - Quote HONSOU FERRIX wrote: Why is one ban permanent and the other only a year? Cause Hydra cheated once before ergo second time the hammer drops :)
Everial Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:37:26 - [55] - Quote Real justice would be to have the constituent corps and members of Warlords of the Deep have their assets seized and their accounts banned. Any plex and subscription forfeited for such an egregious violation of the TOS. We know they are all guilty, and instead of coming clean they tried to assassinate the characters of others. Is it really appropriate for them to be in the game anymore? It's time for Mining Industry Exile Foundation and Maladapted Tribe to be purged.
Aiwha Infinite Point DARKNESS. 867	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:38:05 - [56] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Mostlyharmlesss wrote: No accounts bans to deter future members of AT teams to be pro-active against their leadership/other members cheating? At the time, banning an account was beyond the scope of what we considered reasonable based on the tournament rules as they were. This may not remain true in the future. You've pretty much established 1 year for the first offense, lifetime ban for the second offense. I'd say that's a perfectly reasonable amount of deterrence. Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Slumberg Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 9	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:39:32 - [57] - Quote May the good guys continue to win, now and forever.
SpliceFactor Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 1	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:39:34 - [58] - Quote so there IS justice in this world good to know, thanks ccp
EYEDOLL Shiva Northern Coalition. 2	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:39:44 - [59] - Quote HONSOU FERRIX wrote: Why is one ban permanent and the other only a year? Probably because it's the second time? Or whatever they dug up as evidence lead to the extra punishment for Kadesh.
Pellit1 Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop 7	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:39:48 - [60] - Quote Good.

Saint Michaels Soul Zero Effect Industries Phoebe Freeport Republic 26	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:40:13 - [61] - Quote does "Dad" face at naughty teams I'm not angry. I'm just disappointed.
Kenrailae Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 518	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:40:15 - [62] - Quote +1 The Law is a point of View
Peritas Inmortalis Dis0wned 7	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:40:40 - [63] - Quote Kismeteer wrote: Let me be the first to congratulate PL for winning the alliance tournament. If anyone knows how to cheat and not get caught, it is them. Things can only get better for Python Legion! I like tears after a good meal .......talking about cheating let me remember : who modified the grid when it was declared illegal by ccp or uses the AP0hack? #goons Congratulations to PL , Exodus. and The Tuskers Co. & Nulli Secunda
Dirk Magnum KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 497	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:40:46 - [64] - Quote A good resolution all-around IMO. p.s. unban CODE from ATs. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "LIVE FAST DIE." - traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed]
Forlorn Wongraven Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 160	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:41:13 - [65] - Quote Changing forum sig. Winner ATXI , 3rd place ATXII, winner ATXIII - follow me on twitter: @ForlornW
CorryBasler Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 91	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:43:47 - [66] - Quote Good guys win again!
Escobar Slim III YOLOSWAGHASHTAGDOLLARBILLZSWIMMINGPOOLICECREAMS 143	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:43:50 - [67] - Quote on pandora I have see you again playing and all time thinging of kadesh and camel and hydar and remind me of paul walker again believe it or not paul was one of my favorite actors liek kadesh one off my fave pvp. Hearing that he died it was a bad day for me and this feel same liek kadesh died in tournament for real. This feel like he went out of bounds for real and I cant cope really tbh rite now just thinging off the medals and ships blown up taking away for eva. All the work he has done i hope people will follow his foot steps 9both paulk and kadesh). where ever he/they is up in heaven/playing lol? All i can say Thank you.for what you have done and all the lifes you have touched with fast furious and allice touraments. thank you paul and thank you kadesh.
Keran Raeigh Fair Fight.. 4	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:44:42 - [68] - Quote Ban those obvious "alt" Alliances from AT!
Shonion FREE GATES FREE GATES COALITION 80	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:47:10 - [69] - Quote #smugfest
Buhhdust Princess Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 9271	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:49:33 - [70] - Quote Grats to the new winners! Good to see at least someone who deserved the wins actually won. Gj ccp, now hopefully wildcats info can be proven as true and pls make sure dhb wildcat gets the respect he deserves for outing these cheating bastards.


CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 1189	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:49:36 - [71] - Quote Aiwha wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Mostlyharmlesss wrote: No accounts bans to deter future members of AT teams to be pro-active against their leadership/other members cheating? At the time, banning an account was beyond the scope of what we considered reasonable based on the tournament rules as they were. This may not remain true in the future. You've pretty much established 1 year for the first offense, lifetime ban for the second offense. I'd say that's a perfectly reasonable amount of deterrence. This is more a case of tournament ban versus account bans (the second of which is much more serious, and the exclusive domain of the Game Masters) CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics @CCP_Logibro

JEFFRAIDER Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 385	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:49:53 - [72] - Quote I mean, they were basically told it was fine to fully collude with each other by CCP Fozzie before the tourney. You can tourney test together, share ships, share setups, share intel, do whatever. You can even share prizes if you win!! Unfortunately they got GREEDY and tried to get some EVE-Bet money as well. Y'all triflin'
xxxTRUSTxxx Galactic Rangers EVEolution. 381	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:50:21 - [73] - Quote Cheaters be cheaters
Vytone Ganja Labs Exodus. 34	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:50:46 - [74] - Quote Just wow....
Current Habit Rusty Pricks 55	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:51:05 - [75] - Quote What about the skins the two teams received? They fixed at least one match and received skins for it.
Icarus Narcissus The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 20	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:52:13 - [76] - Quote What does this do as far at the top 16 guaranteed to be in AT14? Will it now be top 14 or will two more teams have something to celebrate beyond victory for the greater good?
Skarr Tos Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 17	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:54:10 - [77] - Quote This is too good.
Needmore Longcat Hoover Inc. Pandemic Legion 239	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:54:19 - [78] - Quote GF WAS CLOSE

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 1189	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:54:22 - [79] - Quote Current Habit wrote: What about the skins the two teams received? They fixed at least one match and received skins for it. Skins have not been distributed yet, and in this case, they will not be receiving any. The number of match wins (and thus skins) for other teams will not be adjusted. Icarus Narcissus wrote: What does this do as far at the top 16 guaranteed to be in AT14? Will it now be top 14 or will two more teams have something to celebrate beyond victory for the greater good? The teams previously placed 17 and 18 are now placed 15 and 16, and as such will be offered those positions (assuming we stick with them for next year) CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics @CCP_Logibro

W0lf Crendraven Welfcorp 360	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:55:50 - [80] - Quote Current Habit wrote: What about the skins the two teams received? They fixed at least one match and received skins for it. While kadesh can choke in a negative wallet some of the line member who had little to do with cheating now have severe negative wallets, giving them a bit to edge that out wouldnt be that bad. Also, imo giving pl #1 is a mistake, they did not, by any means, deserve the nr 1 titel this year. hey just got somewhat lucky in how they were seeded and thats it (same with exodus tbh).

Lovey Dovey Great Game Mechanic GoonSwarm 10	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:57:26 - [81] - Quote Dear Bad Bobby, About that "we've never cheated nor tried to cheat" line you trotted out... W0lf Crendraven wrote: Also, imo giving pl #1 is a mistake, they did not, by any means, deserve the nr 1 titel this year. hey just got somewhat lucky in how they were seeded and thats it (same with exodus tbh). Perhaps is Hydra didn't cheat in the semi-finals, PL wouldn't have been granted the 1st place finish as a result. What I'm saying is, if you eliminate the two teams that came in 1st & 2nd respectively for cheating, your winner is whoever is in third. It happens in real sports all the time.
Glasgow Dunlop The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 291	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:57:41 - [82] - Quote Can we have a Full Official Results Classification please with the updated standings @glasgowdunlop #tweetfleet TDSIN Director : Join 'TDSIN pub' for more info, Join today! Glasgow / Newcastle EVE Meets Organiser
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 2796	Posted - 2015.10.06 18:57:46 - [83] - Quote RIP Fiend DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !
Big Lynx 3992	Posted - 2015.10.06 19:00:14 - [84] - Quote lelz. wtb fiend
Arec Bardwin 1874	Posted - 2015.10.06 19:05:44 - [85] - Quote The two banned teams were still the best teams.
Greygal Redemption Road Affirmative. 486	Posted - 2015.10.06 19:06:32 - [86] - Quote This is a sad, but well thought out outcome. My opinion regarding the punishment is that it is fair and appropriate, although IMHO, those persons not involved with the fixing of that match should still receive the skins they rightfully earned for matches before the match that was fixed. I do hope that rules changes next year do not go to far in the opposite direction. Restrictions on working together can be far more onerous on the small, low/lower-level alliances than they are on the larger/huge alliances; but I have faith that CCP will be very thoughtful and reasonable on any rule changes for next year. Thank you for your time and attention to this matter and your detailed explanation of the results and outcome of the investigation. What you do for yourself dies with you, what you do for others is immortal. Free weekly public roams & monthly NewBro new player roams! Visit Redemption Road or join mailing list REDEMPTION ROAMS for information
Lovey Dovey Great Game Mechanic GoonSwarm 10	Posted - 2015.10.06 19:14:12 - [87] - Quote Arec Bardwin wrote: The two banned teams were still the best teams. Too bad they weren't the best at not getting caught.
Arec Bardwin 1874	Posted - 2015.10.06 19:19:49 - [88] - Quote Lovey Dovey wrote: Arec Bardwin wrote: The two banned teams were still the best teams. Too bad they weren't the best at not getting caught. At least we got some bonus entertainment value out of it.
SilentAsTheGrave Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Squids 354	Posted - 2015.10.06 19:23:54 - [89] - Quote Anyone else desensitize by the lengths players will go to in this game? I mean nothing shocks me anymore when it comes to cheaters and beyond. All for internet spaceships.
Mai Khumm Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 684	Posted - 2015.10.06 19:30:14 - [90] - Quote Bravo CCP... ...hopefully people will think twice! Toronto EVE Thread! [email protected] @Toronto_EVE

Fin Wallace Casalt Corp CAStabouts 1	Posted - 2015.10.06 19:35:35 - [91] - Quote This is what I was eluding to on another thread when I said failing to punnish for the cheating etc in the first weekends match would lead to more cheating. Seems time has proven those of us that told you guys at CCP your failing to punnish would lead to this were correct. It could be said that we will never know if many of the teams did not cheat to get to the level they did now as cheating as it would appear that cheating was taking place from day one until the very end. AT your biggest ingame player event of the year and you go and let it be tarnished in such a fashion as one has to wonder if it will ever recover.
Murkar Omaristos The Alabaster Albatross Eternal Pretorian Alliance 181	Posted - 2015.10.06 19:36:49 - [92] - Quote lol rekt. F
Lars Erlkonig Discrete Solutions Ltd. 21	Posted - 2015.10.06 19:38:44 - [93] - Quote What is the reasoning behind not giving the now 3rd place teams the full third place prize? They are effectively penalized while the new top 2 teams get full benefits.
Aebe Amraen Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 180	Posted - 2015.10.06 19:38:49 - [94] - Quote CCP Logibro, just wanted to make sure you and the team see this: http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?20287-Don-t-let-your-dreams-be-dreams In which Kadesh boasts of his cheating. Obviously details of any action taken against Kadesh's account(s) would be private keeping with CCP's long-standing policies, but if Kadesh's come-clean story contradicts statements he made during the investigation I hope he will be banned for lying and obstructing the investigation. I'm delighted to CCP take a strong stand against metagaming the tournament. Hopefully next year we can avoid the controversy which swirled around this one.
Hendrick Tallardar Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 462	Posted - 2015.10.06 19:39:36 - [95] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3gYHryB9yg EVE Online Weekly & Monthly Nullsec Recaps \| EVE Streams
Kearl Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 25	Posted - 2015.10.06 19:48:19 - [96] - Quote Props CCP. Sorry for you guys involved with no knowlege of what may have been going on. Sometimes life sucks.
Lovey Dovey Great Game Mechanic GoonSwarm 10	Posted - 2015.10.06 19:49:19 - [97] - Quote Arec Bardwin wrote: At least we got some bonus entertainment value out of it. Yeah, watching all the Camel/Warlords/Hydra members ***** and moan for the past few weeks that DHB was lying and it was all a smear job by PL was hilarious. Equally so when they claimed Hydra never has ever been part of any breaking rules when their own head of the AT admitted as such today. Really, it all blew up in their own faces hilariously and made them look more beta than before.
Random McNally The Vendunari End of Life 99899	Posted - 2015.10.06 19:55:26 - [98] - Quote Thank you CCP and Logibro for the investigation. Sad to hear about the news but at least this gives hope to those of us trying hard to participate. o7 Co-Host of the High Drag Podcast. http://highdrag.wordpress.com/ Check out the space music at http://minddivided.com In Game Channel HighDragChat
Langbaobao Tr0pa de elite. Pandemic Legion 66	Posted - 2015.10.06 20:03:07 - [99] - Quote Aebe Amraen wrote: CCP Logibro, just wanted to make sure you and the team see this: http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?20287-Don-t-let-your-dreams-be-dreams In which Kadesh boasts of his cheating. Obviously details of any action taken against Kadesh's account(s) would be private keeping with CCP's long-standing policies, but if Kadesh's come-clean story contradicts statements he made during the investigation I hope he will be banned for lying and obstructing the investigation. I'm delighted to CCP take a strong stand against metagaming the tournament. Hopefully next year we can avoid the controversy which swirled around this one. I think none of us minds the metagaming, it's part of EVE. But we do hate cheating, that's a whole other ballgame.
Faife Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 296	Posted - 2015.10.06 20:04:36 - [100] - Quote Arkon Olacar wrote: The good guys win again you weren't even there though?

RICOrus The Reborn The Gorgon Empire 2	Posted - 2015.10.06 20:15:32 - [101] - Quote CCP, it's a big mistake
RICOrus The Reborn The Gorgon Empire 2	Posted - 2015.10.06 20:16:01 - [102] - Quote CCP, it's a big mistake
Santa Spirit Christmas Spirit and Goodwill Toward Man 448	Posted - 2015.10.06 20:21:18 - [103] - Quote all I can say is "Tsk, Tsk...." *adds 2 more names to the list On Occasion, I must apologize for the things I say because they sometimes make me sound as though I have a clue. Please feel free to join in on the fun Dec 14th. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6081085 2015!!!!!
July Manson SniggWaffe WAFFLES. 11	Posted - 2015.10.06 20:24:14 - [104] - Quote Good job
Black Bloc Apolitical 6	Posted - 2015.10.06 20:26:55 - [105] - Quote Can't take back all the betting money that went into this match either. Doh! Thanks Camel.
Black Bloc Apolitical 6	Posted - 2015.10.06 20:27:32 - [106] - Quote dp
Mixu Paatelainen Colonial Defense Forces 216	Posted - 2015.10.06 20:28:37 - [107] - Quote soooo.... can I get my isk back from eve-bet?
Edriar ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 0	Posted - 2015.10.06 20:29:15 - [108] - Quote Good guys win again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGXzlRoNtHU
Iam Widdershins i love you nam 891	Posted - 2015.10.06 20:35:17 - [109] - Quote I have heard that this has been very tough on certain of the lesser members in these organizations. Most of the team members for these teams put in a lot of time and effort, yet were not complicit at all in the planning and execution of the cheat. Receive ship, receive plan, warp to field and follow orders. Some of these people were hit extremely hard with negative wallets at the onset of this investigation, these being the ones that never had that much money to begin with. I hope they, at least, will get some slack. It sucks enough to get screwed out of alliance tournament rewards by your leaders' ill-conceived cheating, let alone getting screwed out of your ability to play the game at all. Lobbying for your right to delete your signature
Lovey Dovey Great Game Mechanic GoonSwarm 10	Posted - 2015.10.06 20:36:17 - [110] - Quote Mixu Paatelainen wrote: soooo.... can I get my isk back from eve-bet? Nope. EVE-Bet openly stated they won't give refunds if any matchfixing occurred (because there's no way for them to take the money from the winnings people earned on the fixed matches after they cash out). I'm still waiting for Bad Bobby to explain this is a case of CCP treating Hydra unfairly.

Kali Linux A Plus Holding Corporation 0	Posted - 2015.10.06 20:46:20 - [111] - Quote Wow. Bread and circuses. "Oh no, the rabble think something bad happened, better screw over the winners on flimsy evidence so as not to lose more subs. Hey, pass the pizza."
JEFFRAIDER Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 385	Posted - 2015.10.06 21:03:33 - [112] - Quote Kali Linux wrote: Wow. Bread and circuses. "Oh no, the rabble think something bad happened, better screw over the winners on flimsy evidence so as not to lose more subs. Hey, pass the pizza." The team captain of both teams (as he called himself) admitted to cheating on Failheap Challenge. Not exactly "flimsy evidence."
Ryu Chaos Tr0pa de elite. Pandemic Legion 17	Posted - 2015.10.06 21:04:27 - [113] - Quote Kali Linux wrote: Wow. Bread and circuses. "Oh no, the rabble think something bad happened, better screw over the winners on flimsy evidence so as not to lose more subs. Hey, pass the pizza." aha, kadesh admitting running 2 teams and throwing that match http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?20287-Don-t-let-your-dreams-be-dreams @RyuChaos_
Ryu Chaos Tr0pa de elite. Pandemic Legion 17	Posted - 2015.10.06 21:04:54 - [114] - Quote JEFFRAIDER wrote: Kali Linux wrote: Wow. Bread and circuses. "Oh no, the rabble think something bad happened, better screw over the winners on flimsy evidence so as not to lose more subs. Hey, pass the pizza." The team captain of both teams (as he called himself) admitted to cheating on Failheap Challenge. Not exactly "flimsy evidence." fffff jeff @RyuChaos_
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1068	Posted - 2015.10.06 21:07:07 - [115] - Quote good decision, CCP, props for that. cheaters, get rekt!!
o0kaboom0o Bikini Bottom Ultras 1	Posted - 2015.10.06 21:22:03 - [116] - Quote Tyrrax Thorrk wrote: Good job CCP, bad job cheaters. no one was cheating noob.
Align Planet1 Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 87	Posted - 2015.10.06 21:24:12 - [117] - Quote HONSOU FERRIX wrote: Why is one ban permanent and the other only a year? I hope it had everything to do with this. Bob had the good sense not to jump on the forums and sh*t down his own leg.
Patrick von Matterhorn Jump Drive Appreciation Society Test Alliance Please Ignore 0	Posted - 2015.10.06 21:27:18 - [118] - Quote Get rekt scrubs!
Enrique Escobar SniggWaffe WAFFLES. 0	Posted - 2015.10.06 21:27:51 - [119] - Quote WINNERS ARE GRINNERS
Odracir Atosc The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 6	Posted - 2015.10.06 21:35:34 - [120] - Quote o0kaboom0o wrote: Tyrrax Thorrk wrote: Good job CCP, bad job cheaters. no one was cheating noob. That's why they got banned you dumbass.

Kanzero Virtus Crusade Curatores Veritatis Alliance 52	Posted - 2015.10.06 21:36:38 - [121] - Quote I'm happy Nulli is sent away properly, with a third place.
Bobmon Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 144	Posted - 2015.10.06 21:38:13 - [122] - Quote Im Sorry #notSorry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFmy9qoWLWk&feature=youtu.be EN24 CEO / Chief Editor @BobmonEve - Third Party Service - #HABIT
Destiny Calling North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion 46	Posted - 2015.10.06 21:40:06 - [123] - Quote Love it... PL#1
Hengle Teron Order In Disorder Virtus Crusade Protectorate 58292	Posted - 2015.10.06 21:41:29 - [124] - Quote They still beat everybody else.
Caligrown Kush SniggWaffe WAFFLES. 0	Posted - 2015.10.06 21:53:15 - [125] - Quote #GOTEMBOYS
Lovey Dovey Great Game Mechanic GoonSwarm 13	Posted - 2015.10.06 21:53:47 - [126] - Quote Hengle Teron wrote: They still beat everybody else. Yeah, too bad they don't have much to show for it other than their members getting banned for cheating.
Ash Faeries DASH Metagalactic Defence Syndicate 2	Posted - 2015.10.06 21:56:58 - [127] - Quote Still a better love story than Twilight Well done CCP. Cheaters get rekt Eve is love, Eve is life
Joe Space Pod Liberation Authority 9	Posted - 2015.10.06 21:57:18 - [128] - Quote so far another excellant allice tornimant. good job CCP and Logibro and good luck to all of the finalists (including you two PL)!!!
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1857	Posted - 2015.10.06 22:05:21 - [129] - Quote SilentAsTheGrave wrote: Anyone else desensitize by the lengths players will go to in this game? I mean nothing shocks me anymore when it comes to cheaters and beyond. All for internet spaceships. tbh I have a hard time calling what they did cheating given each team dominated the rest of the field all on their own. and they didn't even try to keep a secret about being buddy buddy. Feel bad for all the people that put in work and are getting nothing out of it, if they got duped by leadership. However if they knew I feel less bad. Ah well. in the end who has what AT ship barely affects me, so I probably barely remember this whole thing by the time ATIV rolls around @ChainsawPlankto
Lovey Dovey Great Game Mechanic GoonSwarm 13	Posted - 2015.10.06 22:11:08 - [130] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: tbh I have a hard time calling what they did cheating given each team dominated the rest of the field all on their own. and they didn't even try to keep a secret about being buddy buddy. Feel bad for all the people that put in work and are getting nothing out of it, if they got duped by leadership. However if they knew I feel less bad. Ah well. in the end who has what AT ship barely affects me, so I probably barely remember this whole thing by the time ATIV rolls around CCP said "don't rig matches with the people you test with", Camel & Warlords did just that. They broke the rules CCP laid out and got caught doing it. Saying that you personally don't think it was cheating, doesn't matter considering its CCP who makes the final ruling and this isn't a democracy.

Leonardo Adami Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 20	Posted - 2015.10.06 22:15:52 - [131] - Quote I think it's BS to punish those that didn't have any idea about the cheating. And even though they seem to have colluded amongst themselves they still wrecked everyone else.
Lucas Quaan Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 115	Posted - 2015.10.06 22:18:16 - [132] - Quote A sad, yet not entirely surprising, conclusion to this story. Most of you are decent people and good pilots to begin with. Hopefully some of you will come back without the unnecessary drama next time.
Hippinse University of Caille Gallente Federation 89	Posted - 2015.10.06 22:28:26 - [133] - Quote in b4 "CODE wins again!"
W0lf Crendraven Welfcorp 362	Posted - 2015.10.06 22:33:46 - [134] - Quote Lucas Quaan wrote: A sad, yet not entirely surprising, conclusion to this story. Most of you are decent people and good pilots to begin with. Hopefully some of you will come back without the unnecessary drama next time. ur char looks like he has cancer
Eklykti Zion foundation Legion of xXDEATHXx 24	Posted - 2015.10.06 23:00:47 - [135] - Quote Warped to wrong distance? No, this is OK, our logs show nothing. Prohibited modules? No, this is OK, our logs show nothing. One match from 3 series that wouldn't change the final result anyway? We don't have logs, but we don't need them because PL says it! BAN THEM! CCP just approved that their rules cost nothing and the entire 'tournament' is just piece of **** to make some content for media and promote their SKINs Online game.
Lovey Dovey Great Game Mechanic GoonSwarm 13	Posted - 2015.10.06 23:08:46 - [136] - Quote Eklykti wrote: Warped to wrong distance? No, this is OK, our logs show nothing. Prohibited modules? No, this is OK, our logs show nothing. One match from 3 series that wouldn't change the final result anyway? We don't have logs, but we don't need them because PL says it! BAN THEM! CCP just approved that their rules cost nothing and the entire 'tournament' is just piece of **** to make some content for media and promote their SKINs Online game. You sound upset. You may need to stop taking internet spaceship pixels so seriously. Also if you think CCP Logibro is of ill repute and violating the rules his employer has regarding this situation, contact CCP's Internal Affairs as they take these sort of accusations very seriously.
WASPY69 Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens 413	Posted - 2015.10.06 23:09:33 - [137] - Quote As a participant in the tournament, this is great news! Well done CCP! It's worth mentioning though that both Hydra and Camel are very good teams and would undoubtedly have made it to the final weekend without collaborating, and it would have made for a more interesting tournament. I sort of feel bad for the pilots in both teams, they didn't deserve this, as for the team captains, they can go crawl up where the sun never shines. The Alliance Tournament is now a better place. This signature intentionally left blank
Tyrrax Thorrk Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 397	Posted - 2015.10.06 23:10:35 - [138] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A @ Eklykti PS; you do realize they actually admit they cheated right
Brain Gehirn Reikoku Pandemic Legion 73	Posted - 2015.10.06 23:13:53 - [139] - Quote Thanks CCP. Thanks cheaters. Thanks team. What is a signature?
Eklykti Zion foundation Legion of xXDEATHXx 24	Posted - 2015.10.06 23:16:01 - [140] - Quote Tyrrax Thorrk wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A No, it's CCP going mad by making EVE officially a Forum PvP game.

dtbutch North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion 0	Posted - 2015.10.06 23:30:13 - [141] - Quote #REKT
Trinkets friend Sudden Buggery 2805	Posted - 2015.10.06 23:33:51 - [142] - Quote Leonardo Adami wrote: I think it's BS to punish those that didn't have any idea about the cheating. And even though they seem to have colluded amongst themselves they still wrecked everyone else. Dear Warlords Q.Q Alt, It is up to the players of any team to consider if they should devote their months of effort toward a team captain who may lead them to victory but do so illegally, forfeiting the efforts of the whole team (and in some cases, the whole alliance who bankrolls the effort)....or whether they should instead devote their efforts to a team and captain who won't waste all that effort and ISK of the whole team. In the end, it is up to team members to demand their captains aren't cheating bastards. if their captains and other team members aren't prepared to play honestly right up until the end, then leave that alliance and team and captain and reform elsewhere for a push at AT. Doctor Prince Field Marshall of Prolapse. Alliance and Grand Sasquatch of Bob We take Batphones. Contact us at Hola Batmanuel - Free call 1800-UR-MOMMA ~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
Kat Ayclism Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 344	Posted - 2015.10.07 00:19:54 - [143] - Quote CAUSE WEEEEEEEEEEEE ARE THE CHAMPIONNNNSSSS MY FRIEEEEEENNNNNDDDDDDDDDDD! AND WEEEEEEEEEE'LL KEEP ON FIGHTING TO THE EENNNNNDDDDDDDDD NO TIME FOR LOSERRRSSS CAUSE WEEEEEE ARRRREEEE THE CHAAAAAMMMPPIIIIOOOOONNNSSSS OF THE WORRRLLLLLLLLLLDDDDDDDDDD!! I'd like to thank Neddy Fox, Dancul1001, Roddex, Doomchinchilla, and myself Suck it, Space Jesus!
Davis TetrisKing The Vendunari End of Life 125	Posted - 2015.10.07 00:27:45 - [144] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Current Habit wrote: What about the skins the two teams received? They fixed at least one match and received skins for it. Skins have not been distributed yet, and in this case, they will not be receiving any. The number of match wins (and thus skins) for other teams will not be adjusted. Icarus Narcissus wrote: What does this do as far at the top 16 guaranteed to be in AT14? Will it now be top 14 or will two more teams have something to celebrate beyond victory for the greater good? The teams previously placed 17 and 18 are now placed 15 and 16, and as such will be offered those positions (assuming we stick with them for next year) Just curious, how are you going to determine who got 17th and 18th out of the teams that were knocked out in the same round (17th to 24th I believe)?
LYGIA Van Diemen's Demise Pandemic Legion 59	Posted - 2015.10.07 00:43:30 - [145] - Quote What do CCP think about fair play award(like football) as well? Does it really make sense?
Hendrick Tallardar Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 464	Posted - 2015.10.07 01:08:20 - [146] - Quote Please enjoy our new line of AT ads - https://youtu.be/LE0LuHzOT9M EVE Online Weekly & Monthly Nullsec Recaps \| EVE Streams
Ion Udan Escape Velocity 108	Posted - 2015.10.07 01:12:03 - [147] - Quote Where is Bad Bobby in this thread? He was all up in the others. As others have said, unfortunate for the line members who got screwed over by leadership. In Kadesh's FHC thread he says he's space rich. Perhaps he should have some balls and pony up some money to get his line members out of negative wallets. Would be a good gesture for whatever its worth to them. So, glorious QEX brother steals potatoes from hisec.
Amber Starview Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2015.10.07 01:15:28 - [148] - Quote Thank you for coming to a decision and hopefully we can now move forward =ƒÿÄ to more positive news (although I did feel it was a bit harsh your the boss ) P.s that video is lol
Jax Tellor Van Diemen's Demise Pandemic Legion 3	Posted - 2015.10.07 01:23:03 - [149] - Quote Maybe Kadeshi princess will step up and reimburse all the rank and file pilots that got their ships and taken or wallets into negative because according to him hes a trillionaire Nah betting that wont happen
Muzzaroo Reikoku Pandemic Legion 12	Posted - 2015.10.07 01:32:05 - [150] - Quote ........its early but it looks like Popcorn for breakfast


CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 1215	Posted - 2015.10.07 01:40:00 - [151] - Quote Davis TetrisKing wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Current Habit wrote: What about the skins the two teams received? They fixed at least one match and received skins for it. Skins have not been distributed yet, and in this case, they will not be receiving any. The number of match wins (and thus skins) for other teams will not be adjusted. Icarus Narcissus wrote: What does this do as far at the top 16 guaranteed to be in AT14? Will it now be top 14 or will two more teams have something to celebrate beyond victory for the greater good? The teams previously placed 17 and 18 are now placed 15 and 16, and as such will be offered those positions (assuming we stick with them for next year) Just curious, how are you going to determine who got 17th and 18th out of the teams that were knocked out in the same round (17th to 24th I believe)? We'll rank that group similarly to how we rank the other elimination groups to work out seeding order and take the top two in order. CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics @CCP_Logibro

Kat Ayclism Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 347	Posted - 2015.10.07 01:57:06 - [152] - Quote Any reason why Kadesh's admission to having a bunch of hacks for info gathering, etc... are still treated as just the captains? Or will there be an investigation into that? Cause holy crap, what he dropped on fail-heap is a pretty big bomb of cheating that goes a lot deeper than just some collusion. I don't really feel safe in the face of that for future tournaments.
SaB0TaG3 TYR. Exodus. 5	Posted - 2015.10.07 02:12:22 - [153] - Quote 2nd. Quick question about the ranking CCP Logibro, how is 3rd and 4th place prizes split 50/50, yet not 1st and 2nd? Exodus only placed where we did because we lost to a DQed team earlier. We never got to face PL. We were also technically undefeated. Just sayin'. The saddest thing about all this is that they probably could have won anyways, and negative wallets are probably going to make some people quit that had nothing to do with all this. Congrats to Tuskers and Nulli that are now in the prize pool.
Davis TetrisKing The Vendunari End of Life 125	Posted - 2015.10.07 02:32:21 - [154] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Davis TetrisKing wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Current Habit wrote: What about the skins the two teams received? They fixed at least one match and received skins for it. Skins have not been distributed yet, and in this case, they will not be receiving any. The number of match wins (and thus skins) for other teams will not be adjusted. Icarus Narcissus wrote: What does this do as far at the top 16 guaranteed to be in AT14? Will it now be top 14 or will two more teams have something to celebrate beyond victory for the greater good? The teams previously placed 17 and 18 are now placed 15 and 16, and as such will be offered those positions (assuming we stick with them for next year) Just curious, how are you going to determine who got 17th and 18th out of the teams that were knocked out in the same round (17th to 24th I believe)? We'll rank that group similarly to how we rank the other elimination groups to work out seeding order and take the top two in order. Interesting. Also massive thanks for all the work you and the rest of CCP do Logibro.
Davis TetrisKing The Vendunari End of Life 125	Posted - 2015.10.07 02:39:54 - [155] - Quote SaB0TaG3 wrote: 2nd. Quick question about the ranking CCP Logibro, how is 3rd and 4th place prizes split 50/50, yet not 1st and 2nd? Exodus only placed where we did because we lost to a DQed team earlier. We never got to face PL. We were also technically undefeated. Just sayin'. The saddest thing about all this is that they probably could have won anyways, and negative wallets are probably going to make some people quit that had nothing to do with all this. Congrats to Tuskers and Nulli that are now in the prize pool. Damn that's a fair question. The obvious/easy solution is to do what they have done and just let all the results stand, remove the disqualified teams from the final results and then bump everyone up as appropriate. This doesn't account for all the bracket changes that would occur if the disqualified team had not played, so in the end the results aren't conclusive. To me this means PL get the win, but that the results are not definitive. If I was you I'd happily be claiming to be a 'disputed but inconclusive equal 1st ATXIII team' or some **** like that. I guess CCP just has to do the best job they can.
Callduron Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Squids 629	Posted - 2015.10.07 03:45:55 - [156] - Quote Davis TetrisKing wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Current Habit wrote: What about the skins the two teams received? They fixed at least one match and received skins for it. Skins have not been distributed yet, and in this case, they will not be receiving any. The number of match wins (and thus skins) for other teams will not be adjusted. Icarus Narcissus wrote: What does this do as far at the top 16 guaranteed to be in AT14? Will it now be top 14 or will two more teams have something to celebrate beyond victory for the greater good? The teams previously placed 17 and 18 are now placed 15 and 16, and as such will be offered those positions (assuming we stick with them for next year) Just curious, how are you going to determine who got 17th and 18th out of the teams that were knocked out in the same round (17th to 24th I believe)? As Captain of a team that finished in the top 32, I'd be very interested in knowing if 2 teams will be bumped up to top 16 and therefore become seeded for next year's competition. I write http://stabbedup.blogspot.co.uk/ I post on reddit as /u/callduron.
Leonardo Adami Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 20	Posted - 2015.10.07 03:58:09 - [157] - Quote Trinkets friend wrote: Leonardo Adami wrote: I think it's BS to punish those that didn't have any idea about the cheating. And even though they seem to have colluded amongst themselves they still wrecked everyone else. Dear Warlords Q.Q Alt, It is up to the players of any team to consider if they should devote their months of effort toward a team captain who may lead them to victory but do so illegally, forfeiting the efforts of the whole team (and in some cases, the whole alliance who bankrolls the effort)....or whether they should instead devote their efforts to a team and captain who won't waste all that effort and ISK of the whole team. In the end, it is up to team members to demand their captains aren't cheating bastards. if their captains and other team members aren't prepared to play honestly right up until the end, then leave that alliance and team and captain and reform elsewhere for a push at AT. Lol, I'm alt but not for warlords or hydra, or any body else that has a vested interest in the tournament. And I'm not QQ'n I'm stating my f'ing opinion. Edited due to deleted bracket in quote.
Torgeir Hekard I MYSELF AND ME 205	Posted - 2015.10.07 06:47:02 - [158] - Quote Negative selection at it's finest. Let's ban those who actually try to perform and host special olympics the next time.
Seliah Repo. 216	Posted - 2015.10.07 06:56:58 - [159] - Quote Damn it, PL wins again ! :P Nice work swiftly resolving this issue CCP, it'll be interesting to see what changes are made to the AT rules to prevent this from happening again.
Eklykti Zion foundation Legion of xXDEATHXx 24	Posted - 2015.10.07 08:17:53 - [160] - Quote There's no point in making another AT after this decision, so they will probably just make a forum tears championship instead of AT.

Stoffl Snuff Box Snuffed Out 45	Posted - 2015.10.07 08:40:25 - [161] - Quote My sides have left the orbit
TurboX3 Hax. Shadow Cartel 139	Posted - 2015.10.07 09:11:00 - [162] - Quote This is crap from CCP... when PL can field 3 teams within AT.... yet again CCP shows it's incompetence as an authority figure. No Trolling Please
Lucas Quaan Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 115	Posted - 2015.10.07 09:42:33 - [163] - Quote W0lf Crendraven wrote: Ur char looks like he has cancer or like he rides enternal through valhalla, shiny and chrome. Thanks, I guess?
Escuro Monks of War Out of Sight. 40	Posted - 2015.10.07 09:44:17 - [164] - Quote CCP does it again! First you allow teams to train together. Then you ban them out because you think they trained too well and decided to use it for their advantage. CCP ruined the game again :D
OmgNoFreeNames Guns Of Avalon 0	Posted - 2015.10.07 09:45:44 - [165] - Quote Kat Ayclism wrote: CAUSE WEEEEEEEEEEEE ARE THE CHAMPIONNNNSSSS MY FRIEEEEEENNNNNDDDDDDDDDDD! AND WEEEEEEEEEE'LL KEEP ON FIGHTING TO THE EENNNNNDDDDDDDDD NO TIME FOR LOSERRRSSS CAUSE WEEEEEE ARRRREEEE THE CHAAAAAMMMPPIIIIOOOOONNNSSSS OF THE WHIIIIIIIINEEEEE!!!111
Dani Lizardov BRUTAL GENESIS GaNg BaNg TeAm 33	Posted - 2015.10.07 09:47:41 - [166] - Quote I think eve alliance tournament was a joke. 4-5k watchers on the Twich. That drama again does not helps it at all. That is your monster :) now feed it ! Those bans, wont affect any future back stage plans. You have not resolved the problem. You have not even identified the problem . Congrats to the new winners. Everyone that watched the finals sow why you were Not.
Coffee Rocks Thrall Nation Brave Squids 392	Posted - 2015.10.07 10:00:46 - [167] - Quote Obligatory: R E K T Good on you, CCP. http://www.thecoffeerocks.com Twitter: @thecoffeerocks \| Steam: CoffeeRocks
gramafon Sequent Industry Out of Sight. 23	Posted - 2015.10.07 10:02:32 - [168] - Quote ** you CCP! PL suck for first place. Worst decision ever. ** CCP.
Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom 1479	Posted - 2015.10.07 10:29:18 - [169] - Quote Good job CCP. The Tears Must Flow
Swind FREE GATES FREE GATES COALITION 1	Posted - 2015.10.07 11:28:58 - [170] - Quote Not banning the whole teams name by name from the next AT-s, (just banning the leaders) same like if we drop a mafia leader to prison, and he will organize and lead the organization from the jail, without any problem. Sadly, CCP has no balls.

Vollhov Senators of Eridan Red Alliance 297	Posted - 2015.10.07 11:36:26 - [171] - Quote Ha ha. After that to me they say that the heirs of equal chances to become the Emperor. CCP push through PL. Congrats. Thanks you -í-íP Falcon"that helped to quit EVE" Jamyl the Great CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum. No love of the the project and imagination. "All these wayward children." (c) Jamyl Sarum
ImYourMom Republic University Minmatar Republic 82	Posted - 2015.10.07 12:27:26 - [172] - Quote So everyone knew that the Outbreak and Hydra game was fixed even when it wasn't actually admitted. So why wasn't anything done about this?
ImYourMom Republic University Minmatar Republic 82	Posted - 2015.10.07 12:30:50 - [173] - Quote TurboX3 wrote: This is crap from CCP... when PL can field 3 teams within AT.... yet again CCP shows it's incompetence as an authority figure. I completely agree how PL was allowed to field 3 teams was a complete joke when other alliances were refused entry. Clearly PL has always been favoured by CCP. To be honest AT is just one big fix and I rellay have no interest anymore it because its just tainted
Keira Impevion ImpeviA 0	Posted - 2015.10.07 12:43:40 - [174] - Quote ImYourMom wrote: So everyone knew that the Outbreak and Hydra game was fixed even when it wasn't actually admitted. So why wasn't anything done about this? Because at this time there were no rules against it, before AT X teams were selling/throwing matches and it was perfectly fine with AT rules at this time.
Captain Thunk Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 178	Posted - 2015.10.07 12:45:57 - [175] - Quote ImYourMom wrote: TurboX3 wrote: This is crap from CCP... when PL can field 3 teams within AT.... yet again CCP shows it's incompetence as an authority figure. I completely agree how PL was allowed to field 3 teams was a complete joke when other alliances were refused entry. Clearly PL has always been favoured by CCP. To be honest AT is just one big fix and I rellay have no interest anymore it because its just tainted None of the "PL Teams" ever fought each other so there was no opportunity for collusion. That's before you go into scrimming together, sharing resources and the rest which were legal but PL did not do. The three teams are entirely independent whether you want to accept that or not. I doubt next years rules will allow Waffles or Horde to compete due to their proximity to PL, which is understandable considering the position CCP have been put in by people who don't understand the difference between metagaming and cheating. Good decision CCP and Logibro. I'm kinda glad Kadesh decided to have a public meltdown on FHC and confessed they did infact cheat as well as possibly more, as it validates the fact that CCP were spot on with their decision.
W0lf Crendraven Welfcorp 369	Posted - 2015.10.07 13:15:34 - [176] - Quote I also want to say that i disagree with the final placings, while nulli indeed lost to pl neither the tuskers nor exodus did. They simply got seeded in a different spot and had to to meet hydramel twice before pl had to, which - just as pl, knocked them out. In that persective, 3 of the top 4 went unbeated by any legit tournament team, crowing any one of them as the number 1 is wrong and unfair. Simply not crowning a victor and destributing the prices in a even matter amongst the top 4 would be by far the better ruling.
Centra Spike Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 170	Posted - 2015.10.07 13:48:49 - [177] - Quote TOO BAD SO SAD Follow us @PLIRC!
SwissChris1 Stimulus Rote Kapelle 22	Posted - 2015.10.07 13:50:23 - [178] - Quote Kadesh (October 6 2015, 07:00:49 PM): "I regret nothing. If i could rewind time back, I just would be more opsec, so that no little ****** annoys me after the tournament. Anyone who has other mindset with ~honor~ or any other high-moral bullshit doesn't deserve to win. This is eve. " source: http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?20287-Don-t-let-your-dreams-be-dreams
OmgNoFreeNames Guns Of Avalon 1	Posted - 2015.10.07 14:02:11 - [179] - Quote SwissChris1 wrote: Kadesh (October 6 2015, 07:00:49 PM): "I regret nothing. If i could rewind time back, I just would be more opsec, so that no little ****** annoys me after the tournament. Anyone who has other mindset with ~honor~ or any other high-moral bullshit doesn't deserve to win. This is eve. " source: http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?20287-Don-t-let-your-dreams-be-dreams Are you sure it was really his account there? His forum name is different mostly. And why he had to post it on failheap instead of using this forum?
Captain Thunk Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 178	Posted - 2015.10.07 14:05:54 - [180] - Quote OmgNoFreeNames wrote: And why he had to post it on failheap instead of using this forum? Because you're not allowed to discuss cheating or exploits one eve-o

ImYourMom Republic University Minmatar Republic 83	Posted - 2015.10.07 16:57:11 - [181] - Quote W0lf Crendraven wrote: I also want to say that i disagree with the final placings, while nulli indeed lost to pl neither the tuskers nor exodus did. They simply got seeded in a different spot and had to to meet hydramel twice before pl had to, which - just as pl, knocked them out. In that persective, 3 of the top 4 went unbeated by any legit tournament team, crowing any one of them as the number 1 is wrong and unfair. Simply not crowning a victor and destributing the prices in a even matter amongst the top 4 would be by far the better ruling. I absolutely agree with this. IF ANYTHING CCP should of just had rematch with the next top 3. Completely wrong to allow PL 1st. Makespecially me feel CCP are now cheating. .
Lovey Dovey Great Game Mechanic GoonSwarm 17	Posted - 2015.10.07 17:08:29 - [182] - Quote W0lf Crendraven wrote: I also want to say that i disagree with the final placings, while nulli indeed lost to pl neither the tuskers nor exodus did. They simply got seeded in a different spot and had to to meet hydramel twice before pl had to, which - just as pl, knocked them out. In that persective, 3 of the top 4 went unbeated by any legit tournament team, crowing any one of them as the number 1 is wrong and unfair. Simply not crowning a victor and destributing the prices in a even matter amongst the top 4 would be by far the better ruling. That's how tournament brackets work at all. Warlords/Camel were disqualified due to Match 117b being fixed, which is after the match that knocked Exodus into the Losers Bracket. Tuskers were in the Losers Bracket already at that point as well, while simultaneously PL were advancing higher in the Winners Bracket which put them at a higher seed. That's how the double elimination bracket works, people in the Winners Bracket are seeded higher as they progress. PL eventually ended in the Winners Bracket finals (Match 123a), which again placed them under the double elimination bracket system at a higher seed than Tuskers & Exodus. This is how that sort of system works and determines who is in what position. Instead of demanding CCP give teams that didn't get seeded higher in terms of the bracket ships they didn't earn, it'd be a far more logical step to argue that the double elimination bracket system is faulty and needs contingencies to account for these sort of things if not have the AT use a wholly different system.
Captain Thunk Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 180	Posted - 2015.10.07 17:15:10 - [183] - Quote ImYourMom wrote: W0lf Crendraven wrote: I also want to say that i disagree with the final placings, while nulli indeed lost to pl neither the tuskers nor exodus did. They simply got seeded in a different spot and had to to meet hydramel twice before pl had to, which - just as pl, knocked them out. In that persective, 3 of the top 4 went unbeated by any legit tournament team, crowing any one of them as the number 1 is wrong and unfair. Simply not crowning a victor and destributing the prices in a even matter amongst the top 4 would be by far the better ruling. I absolutely agree with this. IF ANYTHING CCP should of just had rematch with the next top 3. Completely wrong to allow PL 1st. Makespecially me feel CCP are now cheating. . Why does it apply now when PL were already getting more ships than 4th or 5th when it was placed 3rd? The logic you're using still applied, but you didn't mind then. Why do you mind now and why aren't you consistent with your beliefs? I don't think you can use selective logic when it suits you and expect people to agree. If you were sincere, which let's face it you're not, you would have said this before, asking CCP why PL was placed 3rd and getting more prizes than 4th or 5th when PL hadn't proven itself to be better than those teams.
Smurfinator Viziam Amarr Empire 32	Posted - 2015.10.07 18:36:06 - [184] - Quote I think the logic behind that Captain is that Exodus. hadn't lost to a team that wasn't cheating to that point. Meaning their losses shouldn't count against them since they were against teams that were ultimately disqualified. However when PL was third, there was no reason to think differently because the supposed 1st and 2nd place hadn't yet been exposed or disqualified.
ISD Buldath ISD STAR 188	Posted - 2015.10.07 20:31:46 - [185] - Quote Quote: 3. Ranting is prohibited. A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents. I have removed the offending post. ~ISD Buldath Interstellar Services Department Support, Training and Resources Division Lt. Commander
W0lf Crendraven Welfcorp 371	Posted - 2015.10.07 22:12:24 - [186] - Quote Captain Thunk wrote: ImYourMom wrote: W0lf Crendraven wrote: I also want to say that i disagree with the final placings, while nulli indeed lost to pl neither the tuskers nor exodus did. They simply got seeded in a different spot and had to to meet hydramel twice before pl had to, which - just as pl, knocked them out. In that persective, 3 of the top 4 went unbeated by any legit tournament team, crowing any one of them as the number 1 is wrong and unfair. Simply not crowning a victor and destributing the prices in a even matter amongst the top 4 would be by far the better ruling. I absolutely agree with this. IF ANYTHING CCP should of just had rematch with the next top 3. Completely wrong to allow PL 1st. Makespecially me feel CCP are now cheating. . Why does it apply now when PL were already getting more ships than 4th or 5th when it was placed 3rd? The logic you're using still applied, but you didn't mind then. Why do you mind now and why aren't you consistent with your beliefs? I don't think you can use selective logic when it suits you and expect people to agree. If you were sincere, which let's face it you're not, you would have said this before, asking CCP why PL was placed 3rd and getting more prizes than 4th or 5th when PL hadn't proven itself to be better than those teams. What smurf said.
Itkovian Beddict Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 16	Posted - 2015.10.07 22:19:27 - [187] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Davis TetrisKing wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Current Habit wrote: What about the skins the two teams received? They fixed at least one match and received skins for it. Skins have not been distributed yet, and in this case, they will not be receiving any. The number of match wins (and thus skins) for other teams will not be adjusted. Icarus Narcissus wrote: What does this do as far at the top 16 guaranteed to be in AT14? Will it now be top 14 or will two more teams have something to celebrate beyond victory for the greater good? The teams previously placed 17 and 18 are now placed 15 and 16, and as such will be offered those positions (assuming we stick with them for next year) Just curious, how are you going to determine who got 17th and 18th out of the teams that were knocked out in the same round (17th to 24th I believe)? We'll rank that group similarly to how we rank the other elimination groups to work out seeding order and take the top two in order. Based on Logibro's post here regarding seeding and quickly (and inefficiently) doing the arithmetic based on Null-Sec.com results, I believe this is the order of the originally 17th-24th placed teams: R.E.V.O.L.U.T.I.O.N Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork Dead Terrorists Agony Empire Project.Mayhem. Vox Populi. Out of Sight The G0dfathers Congratulations to R.E.V.O.L.U.T.I.O.N and Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork for making the top 16 and presumably being seeded an automatic place in next year's Tournament. I guess that 78 PLEX can be spent on something else next year [KICK]. I'll go and check my numbers now...
Allison A'vani North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion 170	Posted - 2015.10.07 23:38:52 - [188] - Quote Justice may be blind, but she is one hot lady.
Calfis S.A.S Pandemic Legion 142	Posted - 2015.10.08 14:41:24 - [189] - Quote SwissChris1 wrote: Kadesh (October 6 2015, 07:00:49 PM): "I regret nothing. If i could rewind time back, I just would be more opsec, so that no little ****** annoys me after the tournament. Anyone who has other mindset with ~honor~ or any other high-moral bullshit doesn't deserve to win. This is eve. " source: http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?20287-Don-t-let-your-dreams-be-dreams That thread is wayy better than this one
Laenatus ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 4	Posted - 2015.10.08 14:51:50 - [190] - Quote AWHHHHHHHRGHHH YERREEAHHHHHHhhHHhhuhhh i forgot to bad post itt just a sec https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSognSng6XQ

Sexy Cakes Have A Seat 1002	Posted - 2015.10.11 14:36:04 - [191] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: At the time, banning an account was beyond the scope of what we considered reasonable based on the tournament rules as they were. Tournament rules as they were... CCP you guys never really do catch on do you. At the end of the day pressure from higher ups to make stuff happen with EVE causes ignorant mistakes like this. See SOMER Blink Ishukone Scorpions. Not today spaghetti.
Mr Rive Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 123	Posted - 2015.10.12 02:32:18 - [192] - Quote ISD Buldath wrote: Quote: 3. Ranting is prohibited. A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents. I have removed the offending post. lolwut. It's not my fault Bad Bobby got 0wned. Maybe I should just post in all caps like everyone else about how great it feels to be vindicated?
David Semris House Semris 0	Posted - 2015.10.15 15:16:02 - [193] - Quote Very bad decision IMHO. Have those teams beaten all others? Yes. (Partially) Fixed matches between them - what exactly did it change apart from them having more time to prepare which is perfectly fine with me and very reasonable? They still had to beat the others and they did. From what I understand finals were not fixed. Splitting rewards between themselves? Why not... Eh some silly rules... At least you should have the courtesy to not move the loser teams up in the final rankings and you should have left first two positions empty... Either way last tournament I was watching - silly rules, silly ending...
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1080	Posted - 2015.10.17 15:32:29 - [194] - Quote cheaters got what they deserved vOv. If its true what you say, that fixing matches doesnt really change the outcome, they wouldnt have cheated to start with, right?
Ginger Barbarella 2065	Posted - 2015.10.18 22:49:34 - [195] - Quote Bobmon wrote: Im Sorry #notSorry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFmy9qoWLWk&feature=youtu.be Nice. :) "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Valacus Streets of Fire 10	Posted - 2015.11.11 20:28:47 - [196] - Quote Very good and very smart decision by CCP. The Alliance Tournament wont' mean anything if the event loses its integrity. Colluding, fixing matches, and sharing information between teams destroys the spirit of the competition. Once that's gone, no one will care about the competition anymore and no one will watch, and that is bad for the game. They did what is in the best interest of the AT and EVE as a whole.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp Vae. Victis. 6332	Posted - 2015.11.17 19:14:45 - [197] - Quote I have to say, I find it pretty amusing that some people feel the top two positions should be left open. Name one sport, esport or otherwise, where that would be the final decision. I'll wait.... View the latest EVE Online developments and other game related news and gameplay by visiting Ranger 1 Presents: Virtual Realms.
Amak Boma Dragon Factory 156	Posted - 2015.12.14 12:40:05 - [198] - Quote cheaters just got banhammered from all tournaments. that good. but how we are sure this will not happen to other alliances. its easy to rig up tournament
War Kitten Panda McLegion 6189	Posted - 2016.02.22 20:59:31 - [199] - Quote I have to laugh at the rationalizations on failheap. It boils down to this: Either what you did (the level of setup sharing, the collusion to not use best setups and keep them hidden, etc) was not an advantage, or it was an advantage. 1) If it wasn't an advantage, why did you do it? 2) If it was an advantage, and it was against the rules, you deserve what you got. Clearly you sought the advantage in practice, put yourselves in the position to have to make a hard moral choice when your teams met, and failed at that choice by taking further advantage. You didn't play by the rules, you didn't win under the rules. Game over. (Yeah, I know I'm late to the party, but I was on a break from EVE and just catching up on all the old dirt.) I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
cBOLTSON Caldari Provisions Caldari State 147	Posted - 2016.03.27 10:27:56 - [200] - Quote Been gone for years, PL are still winning these things? The good old days of Unreal Tournament, fragging and sniping on Facing Worlds, listening to Foregone Destruction.......

Henry Plantgenet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 73	Posted - 2016.05.30 09:43:33 - [201] - Quote cBOLTSON wrote: Been gone for years, PL are still winning these things? Only by getting the other teams ban tinfoil hat
Calexis Atredies Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 20	Posted - 2016.07.07 16:35:19 - [202] - Quote Itkovian Beddict wrote: Based on Logibro's post here regarding seeding and quickly (and inefficiently) doing the arithmetic based on Null-Sec.com results, I believe this is the order of the originally 17th-24th placed teams: R.E.V.O.L.U.T.I.O.N Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork Dead Terrorists Agony Empire Project.Mayhem. Vox Populi. Out of Sight The G0dfathers Congratulations to R.E.V.O.L.U.T.I.O.N and Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork for making the top 16 and presumably being seeded an automatic place in next year's Tournament. I guess that 78 PLEX can be spent on something else next year [KICK]. I'll go and check my numbers now... You have been awarded the Alliance Tournament XIII Top 14 From: True Power Sent: 2016.02.08 19:03 The Alliance Tournament XIII Top 14 decoration has been awarded to you by True Power for This medal is awarded to all members of capsuleer alliances whose Alliance Tournament teams finished in the top 14 in YC117.. This decoration has the following description: This medal is awarded to all members of capsuleer alliances whose Alliance Tournament teams finished in the top 14 in YC117. If you wish to show off this decoration publicly or trash it, you can do so in the decorations tab of your character sheet. Were the medals a mistake?

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 14265	Posted - 2016.07.08 05:46:56 - [203] - Quote Calexis Atredies wrote: Were the medals a mistake? Yes, a number of incorrect medals were given out (and then removed) due to a mistake on my part with the medal process. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

47 6f 64 State War Academy Caldari State 3	Posted - 2016.07.15 01:48:57 - [204] - Quote This is neato


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